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[Chunkymonkey]

What are your guys thoughts on advanced technology like the Gauss Rifle, Ultra 5, LBX 10, ER, ect.
Most of these werent massed produced until 3055, and the early rediscovered ones were only prototypes. How costly do you think that these should be in comparison to regular weapons?

-Seems like most were rediscovered in 3035 including MASC and other equipment and weapons.

Seriously, take a look http://www.sarna.net/wiki/3035

Don't post, go take a look

I'm Serious

There we go, much better right?

That's a good boy now.

Edited by Chunkymonkey, 31 May 2012 - 06:23 PM.

[Kanatta Jing]

For preference I hope you need to get into the higher ranks of a House to unlock access to them.

Supposedly the good toys was limited to the Elite companies, so that would make sense.

[Aelos03]

Kanatta Jing, on 31 May 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

For preference I hope you need to get into the higher ranks of a House to unlock access to them.

Supposedly the good toys was limited to the Elite companies, so that would make sense.

i see no sense that

[Kartr]

Except the Cataphract CTF-3D already uses an LB/10X and UAC/5 stock which kinda makes it hard to say they're not common in 3049. Besides 3049 is 14 years after those technologies were rediscovered, no reason they shouldn't have become more common by now. Of course they're going to be more expensive than basic equipment of the same type and some factions are going to get them for discounts, but no I don't think any of the equipment re-discovered in 3035 should be super rare.

[Kanatta Jing]

Kartr, on 31 May 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

Except the Cataphract CTF-3D already uses an LB/10X and UAC/5 stock which kinda makes it hard to say they're not common in 3049.*snip*

The Cataphract CTF-1X uses none of the LosTech and is likely a much more common Mech then the 3D.

[Rodney28021]

Suppositedly, the Cicada is going to have an Ultra AC/5 in torso so i guess some new tech will be available to buy off the rack or built in. The Raven should have ECM and Probe gear installed. i am find with that of course, i just hope the devs are checking for overpowered gear. Just keep Clan off the rack. And i agree that you have to unlock the better gear through gameplay. Only the elite clan fighting units should be able to get clan gear. Maybe have some missions that have savage storehouses for the winner to take. As long as the technology fit the timeperiod sound ok to me.

Edited by Rodney28021, 31 May 2012 - 06:57 PM.

[Kartr]

Kanatta Jing, on 31 May 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

The Cataphract CTF-1X uses none of the LosTech and is likely a much more common Mech then the 3D.

And the CTF-1X is the one shown in artwork, but the CTF-3D does exist at this time and is a production model while the -1X is a prototype. Prototypes are generally more rare than production models. So I'll stand by my belief that this tech isn't as rare in 3049 and while more expensive than the basic versions we should have access to the LB/10X, UAC/5 and the other LosTech that was rediscovered in 3035. We should also have any LosTech that was discovered before 3049 although it should get increasingly rare and increasingly expensive the closer its discovery date is to 3049.

[Kanatta Jing]

Kartr, on 31 May 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

And the CTF-1X is the one shown in artwork, but the CTF-3D does exist at this time and is a production model while the -1X is a prototype. Prototypes are generally more rare than production models. So I'll stand by my belief that this tech isn't as rare in 3049 and while more expensive than the basic versions we should have access to the LB/10X, UAC/5 and the other LosTech that was rediscovered in 3035. We should also have any LosTech that was discovered before 3049 although it should get increasingly rare and increasingly expensive the closer its discovery date is to 3049.

So how would you define rare? The word rare precludes the many from obtaining them. So who do you think should get to cram their Mechs full of LosTech and who will find it impossible?

[Squigles]

Kanatta Jing, on 31 May 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

So how would you define rare? The word rare precludes the many from obtaining them. So who do you think should get to cram their Mechs full of LosTech and who will find it impossible?

I'm probably just talking out my rear, and I'm sure it's not set up, nor will it be set up like this, but...

I'd like to see the "rare" techs going to the top 5% of the ranked pilots in a faction, but the top 10 or 15% for the faction that canonically rediscovered them 1st, give the factions a bit of flavor on the field of battle. If you dropped back below the ranking threshold, you couldn't buy any new ones, although you should most likely still have the use of any previously procured "rare" tech.

[Chunkymonkey]

Kartr, on 31 May 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

Except the Cataphract CTF-3D already uses an LB/10X and UAC/5 stock which kinda makes it hard to say they're not common in 3049. Besides 3049 is 14 years after those technologies were rediscovered, no reason they shouldn't have become more common by now. Of course they're going to be more expensive than basic equipment of the same type and some factions are going to get them for discounts, but no I don't think any of the equipment re-discovered in 3035 should be super rare.

Have you read the books?

Also, on the page it does say rediscover so not nessacerily even distributed yet.

Kai Allard-Liao got a gauss rifle AFTER the clan invasion but that was only because he was ELITE and gave victor a DIRE WOLF OMNIMECH. His mom and dad were also very inportant FedCom people

Edited by Chunkymonkey, 31 May 2012 - 07:34 PM.

[Kartr]

Kanatta Jing, on 31 May 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

So how would you define rare? The word rare precludes the many from obtaining them. So who do you think should get to cram their Mechs full of LosTech and who will find it impossible?

Anyone who can afford the price tag. The stuff rediscovered in 3035 has had 14 years to get back into production and circulation, it shouldn't be rare.

Squigles, on 31 May 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

I'm probably just talking out my rear, and I'm sure it's not set up, nor will it be set up like this, but...

I'd like to see the "rare" techs going to the top 5% of the ranked pilots in a faction, but the top 10 or 15% for the faction that canonically rediscovered them 1st, give the factions a bit of flavor on the field of battle. If you dropped back below the ranking threshold, you couldn't buy any new ones, although you should most likely still have the use of any previously procured "rare" tech.

No, no locking it behind "ratings" or rankings or anything like that. If you have the credits you can buy it, if you've earned a lot of loyalty points with a House that specializes in that weapon you get a discount.

Chunkymonkey, on 31 May 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

Have you read the books?

Also, on the page it does say rediscover so not nessacerily even distributed yet.

Kai Allard-Liao got a gauss rifle AFTER the clan invasion but that was only because he was ELITE and gave victor a DIRE WOLF OMNIMECH. His mom and dad were also very inportant FedCom people

Yes and the Gauss rifle was only rediscovered in 3040 meaning it's only had 9 years for them to work on new factories and work out the kinks in it. It is also a significantly more complex weapon than the others which means it would likely take even longer to get into production.

Simply have the Gauss Rifle be really expensive, after all the sheer number of players that are going to be playing this game already gives lie to the belief that BattleMechs are extremely rare and usually inherited. Allowing people to have access to the Gauss Rifle especially if it is quite expensive is just another acceptable gameplay change to make it more fun even if it is not 100% accurate. Adding the Heavy Gauss Rifle or Light Gauss Rifle would be unacceptable though, at least not until they've been developed.

Also out of curiosity was that a IS Gauss or a Clan Gauss that Kai got?

[Chunkymonkey]

Kartr, on 31 May 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

Also out of curiosity was that a IS Gauss or a Clan Gauss that Kai got?

You know, im not completely sure.

[Squigles]

Kartr, on 31 May 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

Simply have the Gauss Rifle be really expensive, after all the sheer number of players that are going to be playing this game already gives lie to the belief that BattleMechs are extremely rare and usually inherited.

I just wanted to highlight this 1 specific point, as I was somewhat interested in whether it was accurate or not. I actually doubt the number of active players at any given time will really blow the number of canonically fielded battlemechs out of the water, although I can't provide concrete numbers for 3049 exactly, I can provide the numbers given by all the field manuals (excluding mercs), which universally come from after the clan invasion (believe me, there were more mechs BEFORE the clans made a whole lot of them all melty).

Adding up the field manual numbers, we come up with about 58716 (using the average size for regiments) fielded battlemechs, and a whole lot more conventional vehicles (which we don't pilot.), NOT including any mercenary forces, freelancers, family owned mechs not included in the armed forces of a state, pirates, minor periphery powers, or comstar. Figure maybe another 10% from all of those sources, and that there were more battlemechs before the clans started melting them by the regiment, we wind up with quite a bit more then that.

So, if a fuzz over 50 or 60% of our registered accounts actively play, we'll be cruising pretty well at canonical levels, won't even have to pretend until our membership swells a bit =)

[Woodstock]

I'm sure there will be some kind of XP unlocking going on.

I just hope I can get an XL engine asap for my Centurion.

[Christopher Dayson]

This is a Reboot.

Thus all timeline is more or less a guideline.

Especially when it comes to tech and when it's available.

Heck we might not even see the Clans for years because it's not constrained to official timeline.

[Woodstock]

Christopher Dayson, on 01 June 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

This is a Reboot.

Thus all timeline is more or less a guideline.

Especially when it comes to tech and when it's available.

Heck we might not even see the Clans for years because it's not constrained to official timeline.

Actually they have stated (I'm pretty sure) that the timeline will be followed closely

[Squigles]

Woodstock, on 01 June 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

Actually they have stated (I'm pretty sure) that the timeline will be followed closely

I was actually going to say the same thing, although I would certainly appreciate it if Christopher could provide a link to such a statement, as I'd be quite happy if we weren't solidly following the established canon. The closest thing I can find is the FAQ saying we're following an offset timeline, but that's only in reference to 2011 = 3048, 2012 = 3049.

Edited by Squigles, 01 June 2012 - 02:02 PM.

[Lycan]

Christopher Dayson, on 01 June 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

This is a Reboot.

Thus all timeline is more or less a guideline.

Especially when it comes to tech and when it's available.

Heck we might not even see the Clans for years because it's not constrained to official timeline.

What makes you say that?

From my understanding they're going to be sticking with the timeline. I don't recall seeing anything that said that by making this a reboot, they were going to toss the timeline of the BTech universe to the wayside and do whatever they want, whenever they want.

[Wulfbane]

IN the looking ahead to june news. they said about artrmis. That from mechwarrior is a weapon system. Where is that on the timeline.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Chunkymonkey, on 31 May 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

What are your guys thoughts on advanced technology like the Gauss Rifle, Ultra 5, LBX 10, ER, ect.
Most of these werent massed produced until 3055, and the early rediscovered ones were only prototypes. How costly do you think that these should be in comparison to regular weapons?

-Seems like most were rediscovered in 3035 including MASC and other equipment and weapons.

Seriously, take a look http://www.sarna.net/wiki/3035

Don't post, go take a look

I'm Serious

There we go, much better right?

That's a good boy now.

Just because the date of their disemination is a certain time, doesn't mean they are readily available AT ALL to everyone. Even harder for Merc units that aren't A++ with the manufacturing House.

I hope that we have to work our way up the ranks of the various Houses to gain better access for certain weapons. Obviously no weapon will be unique to any House, but just as mechs are available to all, the prices will vary.