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[Toothman]

cw roy, on 03 June 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Why would I join a faction or form a company when I can follow my own personal preferences? Tell me how we will be playing as Lone Wolves if we recruit enough active members. Really, you're just being a baby because someone isn't following things the way you want them to be.

For example: I love in the United States of America. I just used USA in my Clan Wolf name. Oh, darn, the USA currently exists and is canonical. It looks like I'll have to take that out of the name. Phooey.

Whine all you want, kids, it won't change a thing. The Devs have final say, and no matter what happens we'll be an active group. As long as we're blowing up your 'Mechs it won't make a difference.

Anyway, if Clans are playable and people can join en masse, what does it matter if we're using the name before that? It would be coming anyway, in that case. Does it bother you so much that a group of people you'll never have to deal with is doing what they want? That's really pathetic.

And it's not about us being better. That's why you don't see us spouting "We are the true Clan Wolf." You don't see us arguing with clanwolf.org about them wanting to use the name in the future. You don't see us whining that the Clans might be coming as a playable faction. You can see in other posts of mine where we offer to cooperate with other Clan Wolf groups out there, or the perhaps playable faction in the future. In my post you can even see where I say that even though we would probably be viewed as a Star or Cluster, we would stillc cooperate, continue doing our own thing, and not caring what other people think. It's when you're so belittling and judgemental that it really gets under my skin.

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I think his point is that once the game starts you won't be able to call yourselves Clan wolf. Since you won't be able to form that unit you'll be unitless unless you decide to change your name. If you are going to change your name why not do it now and save yourself the trouble of scrambling at launch.

[CW Roy]

First let me say this isn't personally directed at you, Toothman. I just didn't realize this thread was still going until I got the notification of your quote. On with the original post below:

It won't be a scramble at launch. We already have loyal members. We're already planning to cooperate with other Wolves. We'll be our own group with our own chain of command, and other commanders out there won't have a say onour policies. That doesn't mean we can't group together and drop in a team sometimes. MW:O will be massive, and though we'll probably end up having a full team to launch with on our very own, I have no problem with being friendly with others that deserve the respect and teamplaying with their group when we might have some members offline at whatever point. Sharing strategies and loadouts will be of big help and greatly welcomed too.

As for the OP, he sounds all sensible and sweet in this thread, but he WAS formerly insulting in the thread that we started this debate in, and also posted in our recruitment thread rudely (politely or not, coming with a wall of text telling us how to do things, in a -recruiting- thread, is rude). That's why I came here to argue more, and obviously it was bad judgement. There's no asking to be left alone apparently, becasue everyone's ego entitles them to tell us how to run our business.

You guys just don't get the point of it. Just let the thread die and keep your meager judgements to yourselves. I already asked to be left alone about it.
What we call ourselves in game may not just -be- 'Clan Wolf', but whatever we may call ourselves, that's what we still are. Stop worrying about other people's business and learn to mind your own. You never know how many bullshitters out there are piling on one guy, just adding and adding to the stress. There really could be one polite guy to come up and give us some good advice, and it'd be harder to take it from all of the previous harrassment. So really, just everyone leave us alone and we'll be talking with the other Wolves when the time comes.

And at least the others will be Wolves and not random forum users that think they know what's best for the world, i.e. OP.

If anyone wants to chat with me or my group about something else for a change, that'd be great. Just get off this pointless subject.

Edited by cw roy, 05 June 2012 - 08:40 PM.

[Nightmoon]

Seriously... Why are we all arguing about naming rights in game terms? Fact of the matter is that canon entities are part of the Mechwarrior/Battletech universe, and that their names, in a Mechwarrior context are property of whoever currently owns the IP (originally FASA, then through FanPro, and I've lost track since). While using those names in fan works is usually allowed to slide, attempting to commandeer those names in connection with an officially licensed, multi-user, persistent setting is asking for trouble.

Seriously... Catalyst was having some trouble a while back with paying their content authors. Do you REALLY want them to fix their financial woes by siccing lawyers on player groups using their proprietary names in conjunction with a licensed Mechwarrior product? If you advertise your group's web page on the MW:O servers, I would STRONGLY recommend removing any identification with a canon group or entity or retaining a good lawyer.

And don't count on going unnoticed as one web site among thousands or millions: it only takes a few seconds to automatically scan an entire website for keywords or suspiciously-similar images.

[CW Roy]

The discussion from me is over. If you want my opinion, read my post above.

Edited by cw roy, 05 June 2012 - 08:54 PM.

[Aidan Furey]

one of the better discussions i've gotten to read.

[Gremlich Johns]

Alle, regarding cw roy comment:

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As for the OP, he sounds all sensible and sweet in this thread, but he WAS formerly insulting in the thread that we started this debate in, and also posted in our recruitment thread rudely (politely or not, coming with a wall of text telling us how to do things, in a -recruiting- thread, is rude). That's why I came here to argue more, and obviously it was bad judgement. There's no asking to be left alone apparently, becasue everyone's ego entitles them to tell us how to run our business.

Insulting? I called him pigheaded. (really) I am sooooo mean!

I did nothing more than suggest the same things I did in the OP in much the same manner - do not attempt to claim "Clan Wolf" as your own, there will be problems. He did realize this, but only much later - he originally had Khan, Clan Wolf in his sig and then removed the "Khan" title after this thread started. At least he seemd to understand at that point. One other thing, these are public forums and nobody owns any single thread - recruiting or otherwise. Look at the IS/Merc jokers who invade the Clans threads with extremely slanted points of view about the Clans. I can only imagine what other players "claiming" Clan Wolf alligience thought of that "Clan Wol (USA)" thread of his. Umm, how many "Clan Wolf" groups could there be in the USA? The bad judgement he speaks of was his own in not paying attention to well meaning discourse from people who have been following the ideas about the Canon events and factions that PGI is pursuing to make what we hope is excellent gameplay. He still has not decided to be more gracious - none of us wish him ill, And Wolf will be key. In fact, teams will be very important to MW:O - the more the better and the quicker we can all iron out our faction title and avoid naming conflicts, even moar bettah!

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 07 June 2012 - 03:12 PM.

[CW Roy]

Lol @ the wall of text from OP that starts out by trying to look sensible and not like a huge dick, but then reverts to his usual dickdom. Not even bother a read.

Edited by cw roy, 09 June 2012 - 04:59 AM.

[Jaroth Winson]

cw roy, on 09 June 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

Lol @ the wall of text from OP that starts out by trying to look sensible and not like a huge dick, but then reverts to his usual dickdom. Not even bother a read.

Yeah see what people are saying? Then why read it & more importantly, reply? People were trying to help you out by providing info on what the devs said as you were the new guy on the forum & you took what they said completely out of context & saw them as attacks. You start acting like an *** which is not necessarily a bad thing sometimes, but those sometimes are when you are right. The problem is you were completely in the wrong here. Have you ever stepped back & looked at your posts? You sound like a child throwing a temper tantrum lashing out at everyone. Oh and that huge **** you were talking about? Go suck it or your pacifier, whichever one gets you to shut the **** up.

Gremlich Johns, on 07 June 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

none of us wish him ill

Change that to +1. I stood by & watched long enough. I really thought he was going to come around. Some people learn with positive reinforcement & some do not. Enough of the cuddling ****. You gave him the info, he lashed out. Other people gave him the info, he lashed out. He whined that you stalked him, yet he went to YOUR thread to say so. His whole attitude has been *flame* we ARE clan wolf *flame*, you can't tell me what to do *flame*, *who are you to tell me anything? *flame* you are stalking me *flame* He can give himself whatever rank he wants now, as far as I am concerned, he is immature ******* . I just got off work so I have the whole day & up to tomorrow evening for rebuttals from his ignorant ***.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 09 June 2012 - 05:21 AM.

[CW Roy]

Not reading yours either, aside from skimming the first point. People helping out vs. people shoving "what you must do" down your throat over and over on a million messages and different threads are two diff things.

If you'll notice, we calmly discussed with other Wolves and then made our own decision, just like I said we would do. If I wanted, I'd go ahead and reinstate Khan and other ranks and cut ties with other Wolves. You know, since it's not your decision.

Wahhhh wahhhh he didn't want to take our advice, let's get 'em!

Mind your own business, teenager. You obviously read nothing from other threads or even this one. And the topic was dead. With the issue already resolved.

"Oh look at me I'm a forum tough-guy." Puhlease.

(alright skimmed a lil more and you say I took 'they' as attacks when it was only 3 people I was referring to. the others i simply told we'd be making our own decision eventually, and they could wait and see what it was or wait for the Devs to enstate some real rules to follow. oops, we already decided without everyone shoving their 2 cents in!)

Edited by cw roy, 09 June 2012 - 05:28 AM.

[Jaroth Winson]

cw roy, on 09 June 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

Not reading yours either, aside from skimming the first point.

Oh now your not reading posts anymore, but skimming. Bullshit.

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People helping out vs. people shoving "what you must do" down your throat over and over on a million messages and different threads are two diff things.

People were telling you what the devs stated. Soooooo bullshit.

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If you'll notice, we calmly discussed with other Wolves and then made our own decision, just like I said we would do. If I wanted, I'd go ahead and reinstate Khan and other ranks and cut ties with other Wolves. You know, since it's not your decision.

You did not calmly discusss anything, you lashed out at the people that were giving you, not their opinions, but what the rules were. Bullshit again.

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Wahhhh wahhhh he didn't want to take our advice, let's get 'em!

Said the guy who cried,whined & moaned when people said you could not have your toy. Bullshit.

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Mind your own business, teenager. You obviously read nothing from other threads or even this one. And the topic was dead. With the issue already resolved.

I read all the threads. So again............... bullshit. Oh if I was still in my teens this thread would look completely different. But thanks for the compliment. I feel young & fresh now.

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"Oh look at me I'm a forum tough-guy." Puhlease.

WE WILL CALL OURSELVES CLAN WOLF & YOU CANNOT TELL US WHAT TO DO! *shakes fist*

forum tough-guy? Bullshit. You took that job already. I'm standing in the unemployment line over here.

Oh you are skimming now. I guess you will not see this part will you, you little immature whiny piece of ****.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 09 June 2012 - 05:37 AM.

[CW Roy]

Tickatickatacka
"I'm on the internet"

Look at this guy trying to make another wall of text of a reply while he's blocked and I can't even see it.

"You're immature and I hate you. Watch how immature I can be about it." Riiiight.

[Jaroth Winson]

They say a picture is worth a thousand words.

[CW Roy]

LOL @ all the people coming for the show and not saying anything. I guess angsty posts and vulgar suggestions that don't deal with any current issues don't deserve responses.

Edited by cw roy, 09 June 2012 - 05:57 AM.

[Aaron DeChavilier]

cw roy, on 09 June 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

LOL @ all the people coming for the show and not saying anything. I guess angsty posts and vulgar suggestions that don't deal with any current issues don't deserve responses.

what more could I say? want sage advice? just ignore people like Winson and Gremlich, they somehow have gotten to believe they have authority over this fora. Winson's ignored me so he won't see any of this, but I regard him nonetheless; its bad form to screen cap 'private messages' and post them, really bad form. I remember a thread where winson claimed he did not rant...I dug through the thread to prove him wrong, but never would I post a screencap of a PM.

overall, there are some real egos in this particular fora compared to the rest of the board, and most of them will just end up calling you a troll anyway, so again, advice: just ignore them - not literally with the 'ignore' tool, just skim over their posts.

@winson and gremlich:
there's a difference between adivce, and flat out telling someone what they can't do. The person you two were talking to said many times, that they understood what you were saying but you didn't seem to get that.

overall, roy has the point: there's a difference between telling someone advice, and cramming it down their throat, and 3 pages of this nonsense shows the latter not the former.

Edited by Aaron DeChavilier, 09 June 2012 - 06:16 AM.

[Taigen]

chill people . Who cares how people want to name their units on this forum. There can be 10 Clan Wolves, 10 Haouse Davions, etc, it does not matter on the forum. Once MWO starts, all units with canon names will simply have to rename their units to be able to register their team.

@Grem: you should have posted Bryan's answer about claiming of canon units, then this thread would not have gone this long with people arguing
Here it is :

Bryan Ekman said:

Alright... long overdue, much distraction in between.

Players will NOT be able to claim canon units as their own. When it comes to Mercenary Units/Corps/Companies, these names will not be available during MC creation. Trying to circumvent the naming system will result in the Merc Corp being renamed/denied.

Faction units are being handled slightly different. When a player aligns themselves with one of the major factions, say House Kurita, they will have the opportunity to join famous house units as the rank up by earning loyalty points. Some house units will require additional feats of excellence and challenges to achieve before membership is granted. Since these units are not run by the players, and we can reserve/restrict access to very active/famous units for sake of preserving the BattleTech timeline.

Our general stance on player run merc units is simple - create your own legacy! It's very unfair for players to stake ownership over a canon unit, and creates a host of politic and pr issues. So we're avoiding the complexities and edge cases associate with players assuming the role of these units by encouraging you to forge your own destiny.

This is our launch POV. As always, we listen to your feedback and ways to improve the system

[CW Roy]

Thanks for the good advice, Aaron. I shouldn't have replied back to OP, I admit. And I really was not trying to ever be insulting to anyone besides OP, Gendou, and one other person that merely poked jabs at me -- whom even let the issue go when I told him we wouldn't be breaking any Devs' rules and would be making our decision and course of action soon. To everyone else that made the suggestion of not using canon, if I may have been heated, I'm sorry for any imposed angst in my response, but I was only trying to say the one point of, "We'll be making a decision soon, and only we can make that decision for ourselves."

And yes, Taigen, that quote would've really made the transition much quicker. I was trying to get by as running my own CW with every rank available, but by not claiming ourselves as the one canon clan, the end all be all, and was wishing to simply be left alone to our own devises. With calm, rational discussion with a group of other Wolves, it was easy to make the decision of naming our own Trinary with ranks in respect to canon member count.

So, let's hope this thread gets locked soon. It's not so great to see myself involved in flame wars. I reply, they reply, I reply, they reply. It serves no purpose. So either way I won't be responding to it again. And again Aaron, I think I will follow that simple advice from now on. Just ignore it. People wouldn't have gotten so many responses and it wouldn't have been such a windy debate. We were heading to non-canon no matter what, thanks to the influence of the good people out there.

P.S. When we decide on our Trinary's name, I'll have it listed in my sig so that it makes the clarification to any that see it. We're also forming a non-canon Mercenary Company for the pre-Invasion, and will do our recruiting through it -- as soon as we decide on a name for it too.

Edited by cw roy, 09 June 2012 - 06:29 AM.

[Ghost]

Closing this thread. Clearly things have gotten out of hand. I hope calmer heads will prevail in the future.