Catamount, on 12 June 2012 - 06:33 AM, said:
This isn't even remotely evidence, of any kind
Even if you had an Asrock and Gigabyte board and comparative experiences, it would only be irrelevant anecdotal evidence, but since you don't even
have anecdotal evidence to offer, there is no reason, whatsoever, to think that a Gigabyte board would last any longer.
You have anecdotal evidence regarding one of these two brands, and then no evidence, of any kind, regarding the other, which means that we can infer absolutely nothing from you in regards to these two boards, not that anecdotal evidence on both would be terribly better than nothing anyways.
What we do have are many Asrock boards with statistically significant samples of experiences in the form of hundreds of reviews for each (thousands in total), which all say that Asrock boards are very good, to the point that, based on relative reviews, they indicated that said boards perform and last every bit as well as those of any other brand.
Do you have contrary evidence?
You've been a generally sensible poster here, but this is just frightening logic in this particular instance. Your statement is tantamount to me saying that Gateway monitors must be better than Dell monitors, because I have a Gateway monitor running here, but no Dell monitors in the house, and you likely don't either, therefore Gateway is better.
I think we both understand why that's hardly valid thinking.
"This isn't even remotely evidence, of any kind".... Incorrect, and that seems to be a thinly veild insult.
Both of the MOBOS in this deabte are new/current Tech (990FX AM3+)
As the AsRock board in question, are you running the "EXACT" mobo that was recommended to the OP..???
I can see that the gentleman above me is using the "EXACT" same Gigabyte Mobo doing the same applications that the OP said he was going to be using, so at that point we have a "KNOWN GOOD" with first hand experience in the descirbed applications versus an "UNKOWN", so I fail to see where there would be an argument about that issue. Experience is "NOT" irrelevant, but in most cases "SPECULATION" is irrelevant, so I do not understand your approach to that.
As I said, and which "IS" the case, AsRock has been a budget board manufacturer "BREAKING INTO" the enthusiast Mobo market, and that is a fact, where as Gigabyte has a longer standing presence in the enthuisiast market. Aslo it seems to me that anyone on a budget of $84.00 for a mobo obviously will not be buying a Asus Crosshair V, or Gigabyte UD5 or UD7 990FX mobo as their "budget" would not allow it to happen on a planet called Earth for $84.00. As far as AsRock being a "budget quality" mobo I guess someone got a little insulted thinking that "budget" board is what AsRock is, but it is competeing for the Mid to Low end market with at least two of it's (skinny ATX) mobos, or am incorrect about that as well.?? I'm not.
Bringing up the issue of "ANECDOTAL" evidence, really, so you don't think selling AsRock Mobos, and most of all the other major and lower end brands as well, has any bearing on the Mobo manufacturer in question, or the experience with the company..??
You "ALSO" have anecdotal evidence regarding the AsRock mobo, and then no first hand "EXPERIENCE" of any kind regarding either Mobo, am I correct. or are you running the AsRock Mobo that was recommended..?? Which means that we can infer absolutely nothing from you in regards to these two boards or Vulpesveritas as well not that anecdotal evidence on either would be better than nothing, but nothing is not the case here, and the fact that the Gigabyte mobo is being used for "EXACTLY" the same type of applications the OP says he needs the system for, so again I do not understand why a Flame war is happening concerning a recommendation, and distracting the thread away from it's original purpose.
There also are many Gigabyte boards with statistically significant (as high if not higher) samples of experiences in the from of hundreds/thousands of reviews for each, which all say that Gigabyte boards are very good, to the point that, based on relative reviews, they indicated that said boards perform and last every bit as well if not better as those of other brands as well. So I don't see evidence to the contrary as i'm not looking at a "REVIEW", i'm standing here looking at the Gigabyte based system, watching it do "EXACTLY" what the OP said he was going to use the system for and saying to myself this "perhaps I should recommend this Mobo versus the AsROCK" which I know for a "FACT" hasn't been in the upper tier for "ENTHUSIAST" motherboards as long as Gigabyte has been. <-- Semi quote
Would it be fair to say that the argument can go both ways, I think I have made that point as well..??
I can't see getting bashed for recommending a "KNOWN" good working example with first hand experience at exactly the budget the OP listed in the begining, over a Mobo from a different company that no-one in this thread has anything "real world" experience with other than reading reviews would be fair. It seems unfair to me, how would go about recommending hardware to someone, just by reveiws..?? That seems a little irresponsible to me if the person recommending hardware had actual experience that was positive with something else.
I refuse to jump onto a bandwagon over a handful of reviews versus experience, I couldn't do that in good conscience.
I will not be changing my recommendation, or be in agreement that I reached my recommendation on anything otther than "EXPERIENCE", and common sense, I think we both know that "Vailid Thinking" was the approach used, and also I the consider the comment about "valid thinking" another attempt at insult, but that dog does not hunt.
On a side note, I never bashed on AsRock, or called them a horrible manufacturer, I simply stated the obvious.
I see no further need to argue over this as it is distracting the thread away from it's intended purpose.
Edited by Odins Fist, 12 June 2012 - 11:49 AM.