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[Diablo48]

Saevus, on 10 November 2011 - 04:09 PM, said:

While the Sarna list is not comprehensive, to say not even remotely so would be a mistake. Using the MUL and filtering for FRR along the appropriate timelines returns 28 hits vs Sarna's 21. Now, there are a variety of factors that make even that off, the most glaring being that Draconis Combine and Lyran mechs are relatively common in FRR space due to the time spent under their rule/at war with them, so any list really should include a subset of each sides forces. The Sarna list is a quick and easy listing of mechs that saw the most service in FRR forces.


That being said...I like the Battlemaster...but the Wolfhound is a standby favorite, more so if we get to melee.

That is only if you ignore the IS general list which consists of designs that are going to be every bit as common and brings the total to 58 IS tech designs in just the late Succession Wars and Clan Invasion. It also shows a number of mainstay designs like the Archer variant built in the FRR which are totally missing from the Sarna list.

[Saevus]

Diablo48, on 10 November 2011 - 04:27 PM, said:

That is only if you ignore the IS general list which consists of designs that are going to be every bit as common and brings the total to 58 IS tech designs in just the late Succession Wars and Clan Invasion. It also shows a number of mainstay designs like the Archer variant built in the FRR which are totally missing from the Sarna list.

There's the difference for my search at least, I didn't include the clan wars yet and I edited out anything post 3050 that showed up when I included the general list. That's personal taste though since I play tabletop with buddies between 3025 and 3050. Still MUL is a great tool, and I am glad you brought it up.

[Jim3]

I would most like to get my hands on a Catapult C1, but failing that I like the Panther seems to be my preferred FRR Mech.

[Davis Carlyle]

AH but no one has even considered the mighty... Penetrator! Its actually not a bad mech, and not many people seem to know about it. Ranged laser combat ftw.

[Dayuhan]

Rogal Dorn, on 10 November 2011 - 07:58 AM, said:

Yeah that sarna list looked way too short for a whole nation's army.

The Sarna list is the list of Battlemechs that could be produced by 'mech factories inside the FRR. Because there were so few intact factories inside the FRR they had to depend on Mercenaries for much of their garrison duties, and most in the FRR hated this dependence on 'Mercs. The true extent of this hate was expanded upon in the books covering the Clan invasion. Yes, the FRR had access to more 'mechs than are in this list but they had to be purchased or traded for with the other Houses and exorbitant prices - also something the FRR did but disliked having to do.

[Diablo48]

Dayuhan, on 12 November 2011 - 04:18 PM, said:

The Sarna list is the list of Battlemechs that could be produced by 'mech factories inside the FRR. Because there were so few intact factories inside the FRR they had to depend on Mercenaries for much of their garrison duties, and most in the FRR hated this dependence on 'Mercs. The true extent of this hate was expanded upon in the books covering the Clan invasion. Yes, the FRR had access to more 'mechs than are in this list but they had to be purchased or traded for with the other Houses and exorbitant prices - also something the FRR did but disliked having to do.

As I mentioned before, the FRR had a plant to produce the ARC-5R Archer so the list on the wiki does not cover the list of designs in production. A quick check on the wiki would also seem to suggest that there are a number of designs like the Gunslinger, Dragon Fire, and Mauler which are not built in the FRR however I have not done more than a cursory check on these designs so I could be wrong.

[Dayuhan]

Diablo48, on 13 November 2011 - 12:33 AM, said:

As I mentioned before, the FRR had a plant to produce the ARC-5R Archer so the list on the wiki does not cover the list of designs in production. A quick check on the wiki would also seem to suggest that there are a number of designs like the Gunslinger, Dragon Fire, and Mauler which are not built in the FRR however I have not done more than a cursory check on these designs so I could be wrong.

Yes, you are correct. According to the 20 Year Update sourcebook the FRR inherited the New Oslo plant and expanded its production to include both the Archer and the Panther 'mechs. There was also plans for a Battlemech plant on Rasalhague and work on it was started with an expected completion date of 3051. - 20 Year Update, p.50.

[Dihm]

Davis Carlyle, on 12 November 2011 - 02:00 PM, said:

AH but no one has even considered the mighty... Penetrator! Its actually not a bad mech, and not many people seem to know about it. Ranged laser combat ftw.

Isn't it out of the timeline though? I believe it was in TRO:3055, but I could be mistaken.

I have one sitting on my desk, I quite like the mech even if it would never win a beauty contest.

[Tronde]

I've always liked the Spider, Rifleman and the Hatchetman. In the personnal tabletop games of my past those were my faves. In fact "my" personnal 'mech was the Hatchetman. I'm really hoping they'll put hand-2-hand in MWO.

[Saevus]

Jim!, on 12 November 2011 - 01:54 PM, said:

I would most like to get my hands on a Catapult C1, but failing that I like the Panther seems to be my preferred FRR Mech.

JIM! RELEASE THE MISSILES!

[Dihm]

I don't know how I feel about the Panther. I've never had a good feel for slow light/medium mechs, and it's sort of a one shot wonder, what with only having two weapons (PPC and SRMs). If you miss you're hosed.

[VEDRFOLNIR]

The Raven is among my favorites - an inspired design for recon/electronic warfare. The only problem I ever had with it was NARC - damn thing's short range was the bane of my continued existence.

Post-Invasion, I really loved the Beowulf which had most of the IW capabilities of the Raven but with more armor.

[Rogal Dorn]

After getting into MW4:Mercs I've been enjoying the Thug a lot. I think if my Warhammer doesn't make the cut then that's what I would look for next.

[Outlaw]

On the topic of unit availability, and the MUL; One should always remember that there is a listing of Common Pool designs that all nations have at least some of in their armies, and IIRC if you filter for FRR specific it will remove those from the list.

Either way if it makes the cut i plan on bringing an old school Ostsol to the fray, gotta love that design, fast for its time, and had a decent weapons compliment for its weight. Really hoping the 5M variant will be in game, and since the game consists of playing as a mercenary unit i don't think faction lines will matter. More than likely for some of the more advanced stuff you will have to build some sort of good reputation with that faction to buy, but meh, doesn't matter to me.

[Dayuhan]

outlaw, on 15 November 2011 - 01:29 PM, said:

On the topic of unit availability, and the MUL; One should always remember that there is a listing of Common Pool designs that all nations have at least some of in their armies, and IIRC if you filter for FRR specific it will remove those from the list.

Either way if it makes the cut i plan on bringing an old school Ostsol to the fray, gotta love that design, fast for its time, and had a decent weapons compliment for its weight. Really hoping the 5M variant will be in game, and since the game consists of playing as a mercenary unit i don't think faction lines will matter. More than likely for some of the more advanced stuff you will have to build some sort of good reputation with that faction to buy, but meh, doesn't matter to me.

It depends on whether they have permission to use the "Unseen" 'mechs in the game. Knowing Harmony Gold I would say probably not, so any 'mech that looks remotely like Robotech Mecha will either have to be renamed and redesigned or left out. Unfortunately some of my favorite 'mechs are pretty much carbon-copies of the Robotech Mecha - Locust, Stinger, Ostscout, Wasp, Phoenix Hawk, Rifleman, Griffin, Marauder, Warhammer, Crusader, Thunderbolt, Archer, Ostroc, and the Ostsol are just a few of the vehicles that rank among the "Unseen".

Edited by Dayuhan, 15 November 2011 - 04:23 PM.

[19CJ70]

BLR-1C, any old Battlemaster

WHM-6R, Warhammer IIC 2

ZEU-6S Zeus

Shadowhawk

or any really its been a long time. those are just some of the old favorites.

[19CJ70]

the CGI video they released has a warhammer in it,...slightly diff head, but that is a warhammer.

[Outlaw]

Dayuhan, on 15 November 2011 - 04:18 PM, said:

It depends on whether they have permission to use the "Unseen" 'mechs in the game. Knowing Harmony Gold I would say probably not, so any 'mech that looks remotely like Robotech Mecha will either have to be renamed and redesigned or left out. Unfortunately some of my favorite 'mechs are pretty much carbon-copies of the Robotech Mecha - Locust, Stinger, Ostscout, Wasp, Phoenix Hawk, Rifleman, Griffin, Marauder, Warhammer, Crusader, Thunderbolt, Archer, Ostroc, and the Ostsol are just a few of the vehicles that rank among the "Unseen".

Not entirely true, they can just as easily use the Phoenix versions of those designs as opposed to the Harmony Gold versions, as the Phoenix designs are considered Original artwork there is no legal implications in using them. I think it is highly likely that we will see those designs in game.

[Diablo48]

19CJ70, on 15 November 2011 - 05:02 PM, said:

...Warhammer IIC 2...

The Warhammer IIC 2 is a nice machine, but I prefer the 4 for the extra flexibility the ATMs give. Of course, I seriously doubt we will get the chance to use it considering ATMs are still more than a decade away, and even after they do come out I am not sure how they will deal with selecting the ammo type you want in combat.

[Dihm]

Bleh, ATMS, MRMs, LBX, Ultra, ER, Pulse, ferro, endo...

I love the simplicity of 3025. Plus you don't get the wonky things like mechs sporting 16 single heat sinks for weird canon reasons (the manufacture couldn't afford to purchase doubles, so they threw in a crapload of singles and gimped the armor).