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[zudukai]

ssm, on 10 December 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

Original TRO artworks looks lazy and generic.

agreed. +1

[Graywar]

ssm, on 10 December 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

Hellhound/Conjurer?

Option A, David White's one. Original TRO artwork looks lazy and generic. MW4 Hellhound corresponds better with rests of the Clan designs. As for the whole "Wolverine IIC referrence - well, Clanners just saw how bad it looked, and reworked it using their parts, to stay on the economical side. Ohh those Clanners.

It isn't supposed to correspond with Clan designs, because it isn't a Clan mech in the first place, it's a Star League era mech upgraded with Clan technology.

Redesigning a mech type that is rarely used anymore is still a huge waste of time. Clanners don't waste stuff, not even time.

[Janitor101]

Option A for both, more unique in the case of the Hellhound, was one of my favorites in MW4.

[Mavek]

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A looks like a cookie cutter, no originality, top heavy, **** omni mech. the Hellhound is not an omnimech...

Im sure our artwork guy could do up B to look less like a female autobot, and more like a battle mech.

[Sparkledragon]

A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lucky Moniker]

well, as cool as the MW4 hellhound it, it makes no sense at all, why did they bother redesigning it in the first place? it looks to different why not just make it a new mech?

[Will9761]

If the Conjurer (Hellhound) is supposed to be based on this:


Then its clan version should look like this:


Not like this:


Besides the only decent design of the Hellhound is on the right:

I don't even know what possessed the game designer's mind to even skip choice C.

Edited by Will9761, 28 December 2013 - 10:32 PM.

[CyclonerM]

Will9761, on 28 December 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

If the Conjurer (Hellhound) is supposed to be based on this:


Then its clan version should look like this:


Not like this:


Besides the only decent design of the Hellhound is on the right:

I don't even know what possessed the game designer's mind to even skip choice C.

Will, i have to say i prefere the MW4 HellHound..

[Will9761]

CyclonerM, on 29 December 2013 - 05:31 AM, said:

Will, i have to say i prefere the MW4 HellHound..

No problem Cycloner, most of the MW4 designs look badass by the way. But I cannot call that thing a Conjurer(Hellhound).

Edited by Will9761, 21 January 2014 - 01:24 PM.

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

Both A ... I never was a fan of David White's artworks!

[Kenyon Burguess]

mwo mechs are based on 3050/3055 technical readouts and for that im grateful. mw4's mistake was basing their design on omnimechs and not the wolverine which, as stated repeatedly in this thread, is the basis of the conjurer/hellhound. that took away from the lore of the klans imo. their hatred of the 331 royal battlemech division was reflected in the name change and that they relegated the mech to the worst units as a sign of disdain towards anything related to wolverines.

[The Boneshaman]

ssm, on 10 December 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

Hellhound/Conjurer?

David White's one. Original TRO artwork looks lazy and generic.

Also, David White's. Original looks downright silly.

zudukai, on 10 December 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

agreed. +1

no i would think this is lazy artwork. also if you look up some other mechs from the revised 3025 TRO that has the 2750 TRO mechs you will see more. they look like a 3 year old drew it
KingCrab {Scrap} drawing just found the artist Leon Gor



What the KING CRAB should look like


or this will do

Edited by The Boneshaman, 29 December 2013 - 08:00 PM.

[ssm]

Geist Null, on 29 December 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

mwo mechs are based on 3050/3055 technical readouts and for that im grateful. mw4's mistake was basing their design on omnimechs and not the wolverine which, as stated repeatedly in this thread, is the basis of the conjurer/hellhound. that took away from the lore of the klans imo. their hatred of the 331 royal battlemech division was reflected in the name change and that they relegated the mech to the worst units as a sign of disdain towards anything related to wolverines.

Well, David White's drawings show that at least he tried to make it look more like this supposed "Wolverine IIC", but failed. For one simple reason - Alex's work has shown that good redesign should at least incorporate some specific details from original TRO artwork while making it more functional/utitlitarian (if not for aesthetic reason, then at least for modelling/animation)

That wasn't the case here, because original TRO Hellhound/Conjurer has no specific, eye catching details. It hardly has any details at all. Only thing distict about it is "Looks somewhat like bland, generic child of female autobot and Woleverine" (which they couldn't incorporate to their game anyway)

So David White instead of trying to work something essentialy unworkable decided to set lore aside and created one of the most iconic MW games designs ever. And it was a good decision - it was good for MW4, and it would be good for TT, because really - Battletech is currently so deprived of good mech designs, that best course would be to just errata out this whole "Wolverine IIC" fluff and just call it a day.



Because BT universe deserves way better than designs looking like made by lazy 5 year olds between their nappy times.

Edited by ssm, 29 December 2013 - 11:25 PM.

[CyclonerM]

ssm, on 29 December 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

Battletech is currently so deprived of good mech designs,

Catapult
Shadow Hawk
Jenner
Wolfhound
Centurion
Orion
Thunderbolt

Firemoth
Kit Fox
Nova
Stormcrow
Mad Dog
Hellbringer
Summoner
Timberwolf
Warhawk
Gargoyle
Rifleman IIC
Dire Wolf
Marauder IIC
Executioner
Kodiak
Mad Cat Mk.II, III, IV

There are many good design, some of them just needed an updated look (yes Centurion i am looking at you) while the Clan 'Mechs original arts are generally good

[ssm]

CyclonerM, on 30 December 2013 - 05:00 AM, said:

Catapult
Shadow Hawk
Jenner
Wolfhound
Centurion
Orion
Thunderbolt

I meant TRO/TT art!

(And I sincerely hope you point out MWO art )

CyclonerM, on 30 December 2013 - 05:00 AM, said:

Firemoth
Kit Fox
Nova
Stormcrow
Mad Dog
Hellbringer
Summoner
Timberwolf
Warhawk
Gargoyle
Rifleman IIC
Dire Wolf
Marauder IIC
Executioner
Kodiak
Mad Cat Mk.II, III, IV

There are many good design, some of them just needed an updated look (yes Centurion i am looking at you) while the Clan 'Mechs original arts are generally good

For me, Clan artwork (and again - I mean TRO/TT one) ranges from "barely plausible" (Gargoyle) to "actually good" (Warhawk) - but I can agree it's way better than most of IS designs.

Edited by ssm, 30 December 2013 - 05:07 AM.

[CyclonerM]

ssm, on 30 December 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

I meant TRO/TT art!

(And I sincerely hope you point out MWO art )


For me, Clan artwork (and again - I mean TRO/TT one) ranges from "barely plausible" (Gargoyle) to "actually good" (Warhawk) - but I can agree it's way better than most of IS designs.

In fact i said "the designs are good they just need an updated look". I mean, i find a 65 tons 'Mech with birdlike legs, big center torso and two ear-like missile launchers very good, but the look is quite different between the original art and MWO.

Original OmniMechs art more or less = MWO art so i would say most of those artworks were more than good

Oh well, i want to see a MWO Gargoyle. I remember MW2.. .

[ssm]

CyclonerM, on 30 December 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

In fact i said "the designs are good they just need an updated look". I mean, i find a 65 tons 'Mech with birdlike legs, big center torso and two ear-like missile launchers very good, but the look is quite different between the original art and MWO.

Original OmniMechs art more or less = MWO art so i would say most of those artworks were more than good

Oh well, i want to see a MWO Gargoyle. I remember MW2.. .

Catapult is funny example, because worst one isnt't actually one from TRO (except sculpt with weirdly elongated legs), but MW4:





Still - Alex's Catapult design for MWO is leagues better. As of Omnis - wherever they could be improved, he did it.

(We can argue about, for example, Summoner's bubbly canopy, but my bet is on differentiating it from T-bolt. Not to mention it looks really cool)

Edited by ssm, 30 December 2013 - 05:56 AM.

[CyclonerM]

ssm, on 30 December 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

Catapult is funny example, because worst one isnt't actually one from TRO (except sculpt with weirdly elongated legs), but MW4:





Still - Alex's Catapult design for MWO is leagues better. As of Omnis - wherever they could be improved, he did it.

(We can argue about, for example, Summoner's bubbly canopy, but my bet is on differentiating it from T-bolt. Not to mention it looks really cool)

Uhmm.. I think i like more the MW4 catapult (always found it not very nice but not horrible either).

Those legs.. Uuh. No proportions.

About the Summoner.. Differentiating is ok but if you ask me i would have made the T-bolt cockpit bubbled and the Summoner's more square. This is the differnt styles i wanted to see.

Also the right weapon pod barrel is quite a bit too long. I remember someone resizing it in the repainted concept art thread..

Edited by CyclonerM, 30 December 2013 - 07:16 AM.

[Gyrok]

I would love to get a conjurer, mad dog, and hellbringer in the next batch of clan mechs, the cauldron born would be a nice mechs to round them out as well.

[990Dreams]

A. Always A. BTW, you can make this a poll you know...