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#1 Cascal

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:53 AM

As the title says, if you would want to do some faction-RP (I am already a sucker for running stock weapons), what mechs in mwo are the most popular in the Federated Suns? Just those with autocannons, or are there certain mechs that are used a lot? I can imagine the Victor and Centurions are popular with their big gun arms ;)

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:09 AM

OTOH the Spider 5D(only), Jaeger, and Blackjacks are all ours

this could be helpful to you
https://dl.dropboxus...ables%208.2.pdf

edit errbody got locusts

Edited by Khajja nar Jatargk, 13 March 2014 - 09:36 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:10 AM

You're right that Davions really enjoy their autocannons. Besides the Victor and the Centurion, I'd also add the Blackjack and JagerMech. A Cataphract would be good too. It's usually thought of as a Liao Mech, but the Davions captured one of the factories that made them during the 4th Succession War.

A Battlemaster would work too. Hanse Davion piloted one for a long time.

Source: http://www.sarna.net...uns_BattleMechs

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:13 AM

Please, check here:
http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__3051415

You will get some idea ;) The interesting thing though is which canon Davion favorite toys will translate into the game. Will we see more Victors and Centurions when CW is launched? Hope to find out soon *wink wink at PGI*

Edited by Mordin Ashe, 13 March 2014 - 09:13 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:15 AM

I'm actually running a Cataphract 1x with stock weapons (but with double heatsinks, extra ammo and other goodies) with decent results. The stock weapons arent bad at all, ppc and ac10 compliment eachother well, and 4 ml are a solid close range mid-short range setup.

EDIT: Judging from Mordin's graph, seems like the Griffin is very popular, which is good since it is my favourite medium ;)

Edited by Cascal, 13 March 2014 - 09:18 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:22 AM

Atlas AS7-D
Atlas AS7-K
All Awesomes
All Banshees
All Battlemasters
All Blackjacks
Cataphract 3D and 1X
Catapult C1 and C4
Centurion A and D
Cicada 2A, 2B, 3C
Commando 2D
All Firestarters (I belive)
Griffon 1N, 3M
All Hunchbacks
All Jagermechs
All Locusts
Orion K
Quickdraw 4G and 4H
Shadowhawk 2D2 and 2H
Spider 5D
All Stalkers
Thunderbolt 5S
Trebuchet 5N, 7K, 7M
Victor 9A and 9B
Wolverine 6R

As per Catalyst.

http://www.catalystd...ewUnitList.asp?

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:42 AM

Many of the most common Davion mechs are not in this game. such as Javelin, valkyrie, phoenix hawk, enforcer, dervish, rifleman, and warhammer.

Now for the common mechs that are in game there are Locusts, but the are common everywhere, blackjack, centurion, griffin, wolverine, jagermech, cataphract, victor, and atlas.

Most of the mechs mentioned are made by more then one faction though. Javelin, Valkyrie, enforcer, dervish, centurion, and jagermech are the only mechs that are true davion.

Now mechs like the spider D, is a davion modification, but davions have vary few spiders they have to raid, or buy parts from house Marik for spider parts.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:31 AM

View PostNoaceik, on 13 March 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

Many of the most common Davion mechs are not in this game. such as Javelin, valkyrie, phoenix hawk, enforcer, dervish, rifleman, and warhammer.

Now for the common mechs that are in game there are Locusts, but the are common everywhere, blackjack, centurion, griffin, wolverine, jagermech, cataphract, victor, and atlas.

Most of the mechs mentioned are made by more then one faction though. Javelin, Valkyrie, enforcer, dervish, centurion, and jagermech are the only mechs that are true davion.

Now mechs like the spider D, is a davion modification, but davions have vary few spiders they have to raid, or buy parts from house Marik for spider parts.


Not entirely sure on that point. The original producing facility for the spider IS in Fedcom space, with another a lot closer on old terra...

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:37 AM

Jager was always THE Davion mech for me.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:44 AM

Thanks to all that posted resources! Much appreciated!

Cheers,

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 07:47 AM

If you really want to know what the most "Davion" mechs are, do a little research. I would suggest finding an old map of the Inner Sphere (Originally one came with the Box Set, and was again printed in the Rule Book-Full Color), Next locate the old Battletech Techincal Readouts (2750, 3025, 3050, don't go beyond this as anything after this hasn't been released yet). The readouts not only list the loadouts for mechs, but also include where they were constructed thus you can cross reference that with the map to determine where the factory was located.

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Posted 24 August 2014 - 12:05 PM

Bring on the Caesar! One of my favorite Davion Mechs.

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 08:19 AM

Here you go gents: Straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.masteruni...Eras=11&Eras=12

Name  Tons BV Cost TRO/RS Rules Era Intro
Hornet HNT-152   20  475  1,248,700  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2997
Wasp WSP-1D   20  403  1,638,240  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2823
Javelin JVN-10F "Fire Javelin"   30  835  2,361,840  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2819
Spider SDR-5D   30  524  2,942,290  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2853
Valkyrie VLK-QA   30  723  2,166,320  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2787
Valkyrie VLK-QF   30  653  2,124,070  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2967
Jenner JR7-D   35  875  3,161,925  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2785
Raven RVN-3L   35  708  5,599,125  TR3050U RS3050Uu-I  Standard   3048
Wolfhound WLF-1   35  949  2,925,180  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   3028
Blackjack BJ-1DB   45  1,015  3,105,175  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   3023
Blackjack BJ-1DC   45  917  2,972,500  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   3024
Blackjack BJ-3   45  1,271  3,592,375  TR3050U RS3050Uu-I  Standard   3042
Hatchetman HCT-3F   45  854  3,111,990  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   3023
Phoenix Hawk PXH-3D   45  1,315  8,388,540  TR3050 RS3085u-PP  Standard   3048
Centurion CN9-A   50  945  3,383,500  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2801
Centurion CN9-AH   50  945  3,409,750  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2874
Centurion CN9-AL   50  1,057  3,305,875  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2915
Hunchback HBK-4H   50  1,067  3,407,875  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2819
Hunchback HBK-4N   50  1,087  3,385,375  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2920
Trebuchet TBT-7M   50  1,348  8,808,500  TR3050U RS3050Uu-I  Standard   3048
Dervish DV-7D   55  1,412  5,310,817  TR3050U RS3050Uu-I  Standard   3047
Kintaro KTO-18   55  1,187  4,532,407  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2792
Shadow Hawk SHD-2D   55  899  4,450,257  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2796
Ostsol OTL-4F   60  1,264  5,081,600  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2871
Rifleman RFL-3C   60  1,066  4,788,800  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   3026
Rifleman RFL-4D   60  1,173  4,980,800  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   3021
Axman AXM-1N   65  1,374  11,807,510  TR3050U RS3050Uu-I  Standard   3048
Cataphract CTF-1X   70  1,316  5,987,854  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   3025
Cataphract CTF-2X   70  1,344  5,811,054  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   3027
Cataphract CTF-4X   70  1,216  5,168,000  TR3050U RS3050Uu-I  Introductory   3029
Warhammer WHM-6D   70  1,471  5,945,184  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2835
Warhammer WHM-6K   70  1,305  6,013,184  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2830
Black Knight BL-7-KNT   75  1,443  6,594,438  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2809
Marauder MAD-3D   75  1,470  6,597,500  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2834
Marauder MAD-5D   75  1,787  15,734,250  TR3050 RS3085u-PP  Standard   3047
Zeus ZEU-6S   80  1,348  7,555,800  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2898
Zeus ZEU-6T   80  1,436  7,698,000  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   3026
Zeus ZEU-9S   80  1,639  8,560,200  TR3050U RS3050Uu-I  Standard   3048
BattleMaster BLR-1D   85  1,522  8,144,194  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2867
Devastator DVS-1D   100  1,858  9,280,000  TR3058U RS3058Uu-I  Introductory   3036
Devastator DVS-2   100  2,481  22,238,000  TR3058U RS3058Uu-I  Standard   3048
King Crab KGC-0000   100  1,810  9,522,000  TR3039 RS3039u  Introductory   2815


Apologies for the mess.

Name/variant/tonnage/battlevalue 2/Cbills cost/TROsource/RS source/rules level/starting production date

In the spoiler fold below is a complete listing including age of war/first star league era mechs that aren't in the above listing.

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Edited by Pht, 25 August 2014 - 08:28 AM.

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 08:29 AM

There's all sorts that Catalyst doesn't have that's covered in Sarna. For instance, the Raven 2X.

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 09:18 AM

In MWO right now?

Lights:
  • Commando: Originaly designed by the Lyrians but now the official light mech of the Fed-Com armed forces.
  • Firestarters: Built in the federated Suns a staple of Davion-backed mercenary units
Mediums:
  • Blackjack: It's a baby Jager.
  • Trebuchet: Standard LRM boat of the Federated Suns
  • Centurion: Designed specifically to compliment the Trebuchet, mixed Treb/Cent Lances are the standard medium combat unit of the Davion Guards.
  • Wolverine: Sister-mech of the PheonixHawk another classic Davion mech, built by Kallon Heavy industries, House Davion's official purveyors of Boom.
Heavies
  • Jagermech: Along with the Victor Jagers are pretty much the poster-mechs of the Federated Suns and the Davion approach to combat. (when in doubt, bring more guns)
  • Thunderbolt 5S, 9S: The standard Fed-Com Heavy mech.
  • Cataphract 3D: Variant of the Phract build by the Davions after capturing the Capellan march
Assaults
  • Victor: The other Davion "Poster-Mech", so much so that Davion princes name their sons after it <_<
  • Battlemaster: Made in America The Federated Suns baby!
ETA:
There are others, but these are the ones that are unquestionably Davion/Fed Suns in origin. If you're going to RP a Davion pilot in the 3025-3055 time-frame these are the mechs that you'll want to look at.

Edited by HlynkaCG, 25 August 2014 - 09:26 AM.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 08:59 PM

Oh man, I am a dedicated Battletech lore junkie!

I LOVE these kinds of questions, especially regarding my home faction. A lot of great replies, and excellent input there, but what I find, is, some of these sources miss some key points.

For quite sometime now, I've been considering giving a MW:O Faction Mech list of my own a crack. Maybe one day, but for now, allow me to expound, one by one, on our very own, Federated Suns.

Light Mechs:

-LCT-1V Locust: Produced by every House in the Inner Sphere, and quite common in every House Army.
-LCT-1M Locust: A Davion variant of the 1V, popular with the Ceti Hussars (in this case, "M" means "Missile", not "Marik").
-LCT-1E Locust: A not so common variant of the 1V, available across the Inner Sphere.
-LCT-3S Locust: Steiner upgrade of the 1V, manufactured for the Federated Commonwealth.
-COM-2D Commando: Iconic Steiner Light mech, available to Davion units as members of the Federated Commonwealth.
-SDR-5V Spider: Relatively rare outside of Marik and Kurita space (I know, right?), House Davion managed to obtain several in the year 3000.
-SDR-5D Spider: Davion variant of the 5V, which, like House Kurita's 5K, is used primarily for Anti-Infantry duties.
-FS9-H Firestarter: Though originally manufactured in Steiner space, it can now be found in every House Army.
-FS9-S Firestarter: Steiner upgrade of the H, manufactured for the Federated Commonwealth.
-JR7-D Jenner: Iconic Kurita mech, common in Draconis March based Davion units due to high rate of capture and salvage.
-RVN-2X Raven: Davion modification to Liao RVN-1X Ravens captured during the 4th Succession War.

Medium Mechs:

-CDA-2A Cicada: Though currently only manufactured in House Marik space, it can be found in every House Army.
-BJ-1 Blackjack: Common Davion and Liao Medium mech, considered sub-par by most House Armies (but we know better. ;) ).
-BJ-1DC Blackjack: Davion variant of the BJ-1, designed after Michael Ubodo's success with the garrison unit on Xhosha VII.
-BJ-3 Blackjack: St. Ives Compact variant of the BJ-1, all were turned over to House Davion after the 4th Succession War.
-BJ-A Blackjack "Arrow": The personal mech of Michael Ubodo (though in lore "The Arrow" was a standard BJ-1).
-CN9-A Centurion: Iconic Davion workhorse Medium mech, though also found in every other House Army as well.
-CN9-D Centurion: Davion upgrade of the A, manufactured for the Federated Commonwealth.
-CN9-YLW Centurion "Yen-Lo-Wang": Personal ride of Justin Xiang-Allard, and later his son, Kai Allard-Liao. Modified CN9-A.
-HBK-4G Hunchback: Can be commonly found in every House Army.
-TBT-5N Trebuchet: Can be commonly found in every House Army.
-GRF-1N Griffin: Can be commonly found in every House Army.
-GRF-3M Griffin: Marik design built by the Federated Commonwealth from plans captured during the 4th Succession War.
-KTO-18 Kintaro: Downgrade of the Star League era KTO-19, manufactured solely in Davion space.
-SHD-2H Shadow Hawk: Can be commonly found in every House Army.
-SHD-2D Shadow Hawk: Davion variant of the 2H.
-SHD-2D2 Shadow Hawk: Davion upgrade of the 2D, manufactured for the Federated Commonwealth.
-WVR-6R Wolverine: Commonly found in every House Army.

Okay, this is a start, taking a break, and hope to have some time to add Heavies and Assaults later.

Hope this helps. :P

*Edited to remove "-RVN-3L Raven: Pride of House Liao, the occasional Capellan March based Davion unit obtained these through capture or salvage.", since on reflection, I'd have to say that at this point in the timeline the above scenario would likely be so rare as to be insignificant to Davion availability. If, on the other hand, a player wanted a reason to RP their own possession of the above mech, this would be the likely explanation.

Edited by Rip Snorgan, 31 August 2014 - 10:33 AM.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 09:37 PM

View PostHlynkaCG, on 25 August 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

In MWO right now?

Lights:
  • Commando: Originaly designed by the Lyrians but now the official light mech of the Fed-Com armed forces.
  • Firestarters: Built in the federated Suns a staple of Davion-backed mercenary units
Mediums:
  • Blackjack: It's a baby Jager.
  • Trebuchet: Standard LRM boat of the Federated Suns
  • Centurion: Designed specifically to compliment the Trebuchet, mixed Treb/Cent Lances are the standard medium combat unit of the Davion Guards.
  • Wolverine: Sister-mech of the PheonixHawk another classic Davion mech, built by Kallon Heavy industries, House Davion's official purveyors of Boom.
Heavies
  • Jagermech: Along with the Victor Jagers are pretty much the poster-mechs of the Federated Suns and the Davion approach to combat. (when in doubt, bring more guns)
  • Thunderbolt 5S, 9S: The standard Fed-Com Heavy mech.
  • Cataphract 3D: Variant of the Phract build by the Davions after capturing the Capellan march
Assaults
  • Victor: The other Davion "Poster-Mech", so much so that Davion princes name their sons after it ;)
  • Battlemaster: Made in America The Federated Suns baby!
ETA:

There are others, but these are the ones that are unquestionably Davion/Fed Suns in origin. If you're going to RP a Davion pilot in the 3025-3055 time-frame these are the mechs that you'll want to look at.


Great post, and I can tell you're a fan of the lore, but I have a few small corrections for you.

The Firestarter has never been built in Davion space. Rather it was built in Steiner space, originally on Skye by Argile Industries (a factory since destroyed), from where it eventually spread through the entire Inner Sphere, and then later on Coventry by Coventry Metal Works for the Federated Commonwealth.

While the Centurion was originally designed as an operational partner for the Trebuchet by Corean Enterprises, sadly this awesome pairing never became standard for anyone as intended. While the Centurion was built by Corean at their factory on New Avalon, the Trebuchet was actually built by Corean at their factory on Stewart, in the Free Worlds League, and once the Succession Wars hit, the Davions more or less claimed the Centurion as their own, with the Mariks taking the Trebuchet. Both designs were already pretty common Sphere-wide, but the Trebuchet has never really been heavily associated with House Davion because of the above. If you're looking for the House Davion Medium LRM Boat, check out the Dervish, which really fills that description (I really hope they add it to MW:O some day ;) ).

Nice touch on the Wolverine. :P It actually is fairly iconic for House Davion in it's own way, though not as much as the Blackjack, Jagermech (as you noted), and Centurion. Probably more so than the Thunderbolt though, which isn't currently manufactured in Fed-Suns space, and while certainly readily available to Davion units, is far more common on the Steiner side of the border. Sadly, like the Dervish, the best examples of standard Fed-Com Heavy mechs aren't currently available in MW:O.

The Victor was meant to be the standard Davion assault, but the damn Dracs captured our factory in The War of 3039, and reduced us to buying all our Victors from the St. Ives Compact. Still, it is a pretty iconic Davion Assault. The Battlemaster is only built in Steiner and Marik space, and we certainly do have access to the Steiner production line. What really makes the Battlemaster iconic though, in spite of not being produced "locally", is that it was the preferred ride of the greatest First Prince in the history of the Federated Suns, Hanse Davion.

Anyhow, glad you have such an interest in the lore. I really wish there was more immersion into it built into the game, but PGI has been doing some nice stuff lately that adds to it.

I wouldn't mind stricter faction purchasing lists though on these sales, along with better "faction color" choices. In what world are the 4 best colors for House Davion "Maize", "Crimson", "Ox Blood" and "Black Cherry"? Find me the unit that uses that paint scheme eh? I was really hoping for a Blue/Red/White/Green combo of colors, to match all our most iconic parade paint schemes and Royal family colors.

Ah well, next time.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 10:02 PM

Battlemaster Davions!

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:35 AM

According to the Fed Suns Sourcebook and TRO 3025 (original) GM was producing Battlemasters as well as spare parts and refit-kits for the Thunderbolt for use by the the Fed Sun armed forces throughout the succession wars. Both chassis are listed as being widely available in Davion space.

ETA:
All other points conceded.

It's always nice to run into another lore hound :)

Edited by HlynkaCG, 02 September 2014 - 06:38 PM.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 07:27 PM

I do have the the original TRO:3025, to this day my favorite TRO as far as awesome fluff text and great Mechwarrior Profiles (though Catalyst did an awesome job with TRO:3039 that was a real nod to the glory days of TROs :D), and I don't recall that being found in there. But the original Davion sourcebook is, sadly, one of the holes in my collection (I used to have the PDF from the old FanPro site that they'd published for free with all the Unseen images stripped out, but I lost it in a computer crash and it wasn't backed up :(), so it may be that I've missed a source.

And yeah, I do definitely agree, both would absolutely be commonly available, so there's ample reason a Davion Mechwarrior could/would roll out in either of those.

All in all, you get an enthusiastic salute of respect!

P.S. Any bonus points for having named my BLR-1G(P) "Dark Death"? ;)

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