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Typical Assault-Mech For House Liao?


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#21 Craig Steele

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:42 AM

View PostGI Journalist, on 20 March 2014 - 12:15 AM, said:

The CGR-1A5 Charger, like the HGN-733 Highlander, is a refit. While they are rebuilt by House Liao, they do not appear on the list of Mechs manufactured in the Capellan Confederation.

It's worth noting that before the Earthworks factory on Tikonov was razed to prevent it from falling into enemy hands during the 4th Succession War, it also produced THG-10E Thugs. Those would be a nice addition to the game.


The Highlander is commonly associated with House Liao as there were several examples in the ranks of the Northwind Highlanders, but you are correct like all Star League mechs, it was not produced in the Confederation (although I have a nagging in the back of my head there was a small factory somewhere producing spare parts, Northwind itself maybe?)

According to the Military Atlas of the 4th Succession War (Volume 1), the Earthwerks factory was damaged but reparable and was considered a key objective of Wave 2. The only 'missed' objective was Pavel Rizdik escaping Tikonov to fight another day. There is no reference to it being razed and if it was, they were not successful according to that source.

Thugs (like all Star League mechs) were not in production. During the 2nd Succession War the ability to manufacture Endo Steel (a key component of the Thug) was lost so it could not have been in production until post the Grey Death Helm Memory Core discoveries. The Thug is not in production in IS worlds in 3054 (Objective Raids Source book does not detail it as a manufactured chassis)

However yes, the Thug would be a nice addition. It's essentially a more robust Warhammer.

View PostThe Basilisk, on 20 March 2014 - 02:41 AM, said:


No Victor was a Hegemonie Mech and its only remaining construction facility was located in the Federated Suns. Its main production facility was then taken by Kurita in 3039. So actually the Victor is more like and Davi / Kurita Mech. Later House Davion refited the during the 4th succession War captured HildCo facility in St.Ives and build their Victors in this Facility.
The CapCons never build or owned a Victor facility.


According to Objective Raids Source Book, the Victor was being produced on St Ives prior to the 4th Succession War. St Ives also produced the Vindicator and that line was converted to the Blackjack with Davion assistance as they did not want to produce the iconic CC mech for the St Ives Compact.

After the 4th, Davion negotiated to 'purchase' all Victor production from St Ives (presumably this is part of the deal that saw Davion troops defending St Ives against CC raids etc.) but prior to that the production should have been all Capellan Confederation.

However the canon source is less clear on the other Victor factory at Styk. That factory was destroyed and Davion technicians rebuilt it. The wording suggests that Victors were built there before the 4th Succession war but is not definitive. It may be that another mech was produced there and Victors the "new" line rebuilt on the ruins, if so that would match your description.

@ OP, apart from the factory on St Ives, the Cap COns did not manufacture any 'new' Assaults until mid to late 3050's that I am aware of. Archie MacCarron builds a factory on Menke as part of his desire to have an independant supply line (from CC) and I seem to remember the Devastator might be a mech they had the plans for?

But Home Grown full on Production is not achieved until Sun Tzu's redevelopment programs kick in around 3055 - 57.

Main Assaults classes of this 3050 time line (noting the Cap Cons had fewer then everyone else so this is not saying much) were Stalkers, Awesomes (salvage from FWL), Charger (for what it was worth), Battlemasters (only a few, but more than most states due to manufacturing depots were based in Cap Con space so spare parts are easier accessiable) and ofc, Victors.

Iconic Cap Con mechs are the Raven, the Vindicator, the Cataphract (although the Thunderbolt was in wide usage).

Edited by Craig Steele, 24 March 2014 - 02:43 AM.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:23 PM

There you have it then. The Thunderbolt is currently the typical Capellan "AssaultMech". :)

You have a good point about the Victor. Between the loss of its production to the Federated Commonwealth and its sharing a name with the FedCom heir, I mistakenly tend to discount it as a Capellan Mech. Nonetheless, House Liao should have a large number of the older models in their arsenal.

I think the Thug THG-10E was added to the Earthwerks line on Tikonov retroactively by Technical Readout: 3039. The THG-10E is a downgraded chassis that does not use Endosteel.

I'm having a harder time finding the description of how Capellan troops crippled most of the Earthwerks BattleMech lines on Tikonov during the Fourth Succession War, but like on Styx, this was their standing operating procedure. While the plant was deemed repairable, it appears as though the Federated Commonwealth did not put in much effort into fixing anything other than the Cataphract production line.

There is this entry about this on Sarna.net, but the source isn't properly cited: http://www.sarna.net...ks_Incorporated

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:55 PM

MW:O mechs used by the Capellan Confederation:

Victor 9A, 9B, 9K
Stalker 3F, 3H, 4N, 5M
Highlander 733
Battlemaster 1G
Banshee 3E
All Awesomes
Atlas D and K

According to Catalyst

http://www.catalystd...ewUnitList.asp?

#24 Gehn Morane

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 10:24 PM

I have made it a habit to research which of the MWO mechs are associated with each house. While House Liao's strength and production facilities were crippled in the last succession war they have several mechs that they are associated with.

Light

Raven

Medium

Centurion
Blackjack

Heavy

Cataphract
Catapult

Assault

Stalker
Awesome
Battlemaster
Banshee

These mechs arn't all of the mechs they were accociated with of course but these chassis are the ones they actively modified or had signifigant amounts of during this time period or historically. Hope it helps.





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