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[Bishop Steiner]

http://mwomercs.com/...-weapon-update/

"For the time being, we have created a one off weapon type thathas the exact same characteristics as the LB-X in terms of weight and space requirements but fire slugs with the same characteristics of the Clan Ultra AutoCannon counterparts. For example, the Clan LB 2-X will fire a cluster round totalling 2 damage. The Clan AutoCannon/2 will fire a 2 round volley with each slug doing 1 damage for a total of 2 damage."

so, the Standard AC " has the exact same characteristics as the LB-X in terms of weight and space requirements" being 7 tons, and 4 critical slots. (using the LB-5X for example)

while it "fires slugs with the same characteristics of the Clan Ultra AutoCannon". Meaning a burst fire mode.


The issue?

The Clan UAC5 weighs the same 7 tons, but only takes up 3 critical slots. Both will use the same burst mechanic. But the Clan UAC is less bulky than the "placeholder" Standard AC. And the UAC has the ability to double-tap.

BTW, the breakdown by type, Clan UAC vs LBX:

UAC: 2 (5tons/2crit), 5 (7tons/3crit), 10 (10tons/4crit), 20 (12tons/8crit)
LBX: 2 (5tons/3crit), 5 (7tons/4crit), 10 (10tons/5crit), 20 (12tons/9crit)

So since you can pick or choose your ballistic anyhow, what earthly reason would ANYONE choose to mount a Clan Standard AC when they could just mount the Clan UAC, instead?

I have tweeted (the PGI preferred method of communication, dontchaknow?) Russ, Bryan and Paul, and of course have gotten the usual resounding silence one gets when somebody questions a "grand idea" of PGI..

Seriously mind boggling, unless Paul just pooched his write up and explained things totally and utterly wrong.

*edited to give correct higher crit counts to LBX

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 08 June 2014 - 03:10 PM.

[FupDup]

You forgot to add +1 crit to each LBX AC up above.

[Koniving]

Yeah, your UAC and LB crit slots are off.

LB 2 Ultra/2
5 tons. 5 tons.
3 crits. 2 crits.
1 heat. 1 heat.

LB-5 Ultra/5
7 tons 7 tons
4 crits 3 crits
1 heat. 1 heat.

LB-10 Ultra/10
10 tons 10 tons
5 crits 4 crits
2 heat. 3 heat.

LB-20 Ultra/20
12 tons 12 tons
9 crits. 8 crits.
5 heat 6 heat <--keeping with MWO's heat pattern.

The differences appear to be heat for higher AC counts. LBs and thus Clan ACs are colder at higher numbers.

Edited by Koniving, 08 June 2014 - 03:20 PM.

[FupDup]

Koniving, on 08 June 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

Some LBs are 1 ton heavier.

Not for the Clans they're not.

[Vassago Rain]

I don't have any more words, so have a picture instead.

[Sephlock]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 June 2014 - 03:01 PM, said:

So since you can pick or choose your ballistic anyhow, what earthly reason would ANYONE choose to mount a Clan Standard AC when they could just mount the Clan UAC, instead?

Price ;P? Or cost of ammo (if they reimplemented the devil-spawned R&R. Or a desire to just hold down the mouse button without jamming or using a macro ?

[Malcolm Vordermark]

For the clans

LB 2-X - 5 tons 3 crits
LB 5-X - 7 tons 4 crits
LB 10-X - 10 tons 5 crits
LB 20-X - 12 tons 9 crits

So not only do they lack the double tap they take up more space.

Edited by Rouken, 08 June 2014 - 03:12 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Koniving, on 08 June 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

Yeah, your UAC and LB crit slots are off.
Some LBs are 1 ton heavier.

no, only IS ones are. We are talking Clans.

FupDup, on 08 June 2014 - 03:02 PM, said:

You forgot to add +1 crit to each LBX AC up above.

Oops! My bad, thanks for the save!

Vassago Rain, on 08 June 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

I don't have any more words, so have a picture instead.

A sure sign of the coming Apocalypse. Vassago and Bishop seeing eye to whacked out PGI eye on something.

Rouken, on 08 June 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

For the clans

LB-2X - 5 tons 3 crits
LB-5X - 7 tons 4 crits
LB-10X - 10 tons 5 crits
LB-20X - 12 tons 9 crits

yup, fixed it, thanks.

[verybad]

Tep, the slug shoudl fire a slug, not a burst., Seriously, it sounds like idiot mode. It's got no advantages, why would anyone take it?

Edited by verybad, 08 June 2014 - 03:13 PM.

[Kassatsu]

Who cares about the price? It's all a one-time grind without R&R anyways.

At worst you'll grind a couple million c-bills one time for each UAC you want to equip. "Standard" ACs have no reason to exist, even if they're automatically converted into the LBX once they add the proper mechanics to toggle ammo types.

[FupDup]

Kassatsu, on 08 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Who cares about the price? It's all a one-time grind without R&R anyways.

At worst you'll grind a couple million c-bills one time for each UAC you want to equip. "Standard" ACs have no reason to exist, even if they're automatically converted into the LBX once they add the proper mechanics to toggle ammo types.

We can also just buy champion Cicadas for MC and then sell them off for C-Bills to get infinite money.

[Alexandrix]

Yea,I definitely had a



moment when I read that.

Maybe if they had made the "Standard clan AC" fire one single slug like the IS AC's,they might be worth the extra crit investment for the pinpoint FLD.As it is,why bother? just use a CUAC.

Edited by Alexandrix, 08 June 2014 - 03:23 PM.

[Kassatsu]

FupDup, on 08 June 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

We can also just buy champion Cicadas for MC and then sell them off for C-Bills to get infinite money.

Is that more efficient than just buying c-bills in the store currently?

Math is hard.

[FupDup]

Kassatsu, on 08 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Is that more efficient than just buying c-bills in the store currently?

Math is hard.

I don't have the exact numbers, but I do recall that somebody did do the maths and found out that the C-Bill packs in the store aren't as efficient as just selling champions. Lulz.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alexandrix, on 08 June 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

Yea,I definitely had a



moment when I read that.

Maybe if they had made the "Standard clan AC" fire one single slug like the IS AC's,they might be worth the extra crit investment.As it is,why bother? just use a CUAC.

Exactly the point. But I guess it also reveals to us what the "slug" mode will be if they ever get it working. No FLD at all, just spread mechanic, either in a shotgun blast or a burst. *le sigh*.

I keep WANTING to give Paul the benefit, but then he keeps posting stuff like this. Between this and the most circuitous and backward approach to nerfing poptarts known to man........ c'mon bro, work with us!

[Vassago Rain]

Kassatsu, on 08 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Is that more efficient than just buying c-bills in the store currently?

Math is hard.

Probably. The champ jenner is a good source of c-bills, but this is all while we're pretending MC gives good c-bills to begin with.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Kassatsu, on 08 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Is that more efficient than just buying c-bills in the store currently?

Math is hard.

Buying certain mechs and selling them is better.

This is the thread you are looking for.

[Dymlos2003]

So don't use them? They are only here as placeholders for now. People wanted the slug firing LBXs so we get this for now. Rather just have LBX spread and UCs?

[Koniving]

Sephlock, on 08 June 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

Price ;P? Or cost of ammo (if they reimplemented the devil-spawned R&R. Or a desire to just hold down the mouse button without jamming or using a macro ?

Price, repair costs, jam risks (it's impossible to accidentally jam an LB. The Ultra though accidentally going Ultra mode is another story entirely).
But going through them one by one, the main thing was heat.

[Bishop Steiner]

Dymlos2003, on 08 June 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

So don't use them? They are only here as placeholders for now. People wanted the slug firing LBXs so we get this for now. Rather just have LBX spread and UCs?

Re-read what was written. What we will have is LB-X and inferior UACs that actually take up more room. Both the standard and uac are using the same burst fire mechanic. Thus even as a "placeholder" it is useless.