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[UselessDeadweight]

Hi guys.
I'm super oversimplifying here, but
Dracs=future Japan, capellans= future China, lyran comonwealth = future Germany, Rasalhagues = future Scandinavia.
What about fed suns and free world league?

Again, oversimplifying. Don't be offended.

[YaKillinMeSmalls]

Fed Suns is future France/Britain. FWL was originally planned to be the Romans, but then that got changed to something of a mix of various Eastern European countries.

[Sam Slade]

The story world has more to do with ethnicity and cultural hubris then nationalism... you can't really equate any of todays nation-states to the Battletech story world.

[Ltd McQuarrie]

Free Worlds League=> Marik, hmmm sounds a bit arabic. Davion, all english speaking areas uncluding France I think!

Edited by Ltd McQuarrie, 24 July 2014 - 10:09 PM.

[CHH Badkarma]

http://mwomercs.com/game/factions

gives you a slight idea. Right under your nose, just had to look

[LiGhtningFF13]

... guys remember it's based ona science fiction theatre. So don't break your brains with something like this!

[CHH Badkarma]

LiGhtningFF13, on 24 July 2014 - 11:12 PM, said:

... guys remember it's based ona science fiction theatre. So don't break your brains with something like this!

That is assuming a person is equipped with the required equipment to break. Seldom the case these days.

[Strum Wealh]

UselessDeadweight, on 24 July 2014 - 07:10 PM, said:

Hi guys.
I'm super oversimplifying here, but
Dracs=future Japan, capellans= future China, lyran comonwealth = future Germany, Rasalhagues = future Scandinavia.
What about fed suns and free world league?

Again, oversimplifying. Don't be offended.

My take on a short generalization of each faction:

• Federated Suns/House Davion: essentially the British Empire, with some French overtones
  
• Lyran Commonwealth/House Steiner: essentially the Holy Roman Empire, with heavy German overtones and some Scottish-themed elements represented
  
• Draconis Combine/House Kurita: essentially early Showa Era (roundabout WWI/WWII) Japan, with a smattering of other cultures (mainly Arabic) represented
  
• Capellan Confederation/House Liao: essentially Qing Dynasty Era China, with a smattering of other cultures (mainly Russian and Scottish) represented
  
• Free Worlds League/House Marik: essentially the Ottoman Empire, with some Roman, Indian (from India), and American overtones
  
• Free Rasalhague Republic: essentially the Swedish Empire, with some American overtones

The Periphery Realms collectively represent the "Developing World", and ComStar is essentially a combination of the pop-culture Illuminati, the Vatican, the phone companies, and the postal services.

[Chilly]

LiGhtningFF13, on 24 July 2014 - 11:12 PM, said:

... guys remember it's based ona science fiction theatre. So don't break your brains with something like this!

well played sir...

[LiGhtningFF13]

Chilly, on 25 July 2014 - 04:34 AM, said:

well played sir...

Well thank you very much sir!

[UselessDeadweight]

Awesome responses.
Thank you very much for your input.
Cheers

[wanderer]

YaKillinMeSmalls, on 24 July 2014 - 09:52 PM, said:

Fed Suns is future France/Britain. FWL was originally planned to be the Romans, but then that got changed to something of a mix of various Eastern European countries.

Marik also actually holds a fair bit of the Americas- including South America and the Southwest US.

The Caballeros mercenary group are an excellent example of just this. I mean, everything from native American tribes that went interstellar to Jewish cowboys.

Kurita space also holds a considerable Korean-based population along with the faux-Japanese culture most of it's adopted.

Edited by wanderer, 03 August 2014 - 06:55 PM.

[GunnyKintaro 01]

CHH Badkarma, on 24 July 2014 - 10:19 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/game/factions

gives you a slight idea. Right under your nose, just had to look

well there you have it !!! lol

[SpiralFace]

UselessDeadweight, on 24 July 2014 - 07:10 PM, said:

Hi guys.
I'm super oversimplifying here, but
Dracs=future Japan, capellans= future China, lyran comonwealth = future Germany, Rasalhagues = future Scandinavia.
What about fed suns and free world league?

Again, oversimplifying. Don't be offended.

Its actually much more complicated like that.

The RULING PARTIES of the houses tend to be from a singular ethnicity. Kurita: Japanese, Liao: Chinese, Steiner: German, Davion: French, Marik: American or British (unspecified.)

People like to simplify that to the entire nation, but the reality is that they are vast star nations with many ethnicities with them.

Kurita has a large population of Muslims and people of Islamic faith. With the 2nd Arkab Legion of the DC adorning half their mechs with passages from the Quran. And the FRR was a Kuritan providence for centuries before Kurita allowed them to Annex.

Liao has a large population of Central Asia and Indian / Hindi heritage (Its why the "Thungee" cults always come from them.)

Davion has a large population of European Spanish Decent. (See the Sandovals and the residents of the Draconis march.)

Steiner has a large population of people from Scottish and Irish decent. (See Isle's of Skyne, and many people in the Arc Royal corridor.)

And Marik itself is known for its VERY wide diversity in its member states. ( As a "League" of independent states all have different people with different decent.

Lumping them all as "space Japanese" or "space Germans" doesn't really give the Universe that much credit, and its a VERY lazy way to generalize the fiction.

The star nations of the IS have long abandoned most of their 20 century Terra roots. Some hold onto the heritage, but that heritage is broken up and placed into many different sub groups of the larger star nations. For example, just because Steiner has a large population of people with Scottish heritage like the Kell Hounds and Arc Royal. Doesn't mean they are the sole beacon of all the Scotts in the universe. As there are also many Scotts in the Cappellan Confederation (The Northwind Highlanders used to be an exclusive Liao loyal Merc unit because of it.)

Edited by SpiralFace, 01 September 2014 - 06:27 AM.

[990Dreams]

Fed Suns: Britain and France (probably US/Canada, or whatever they end up being called)

FWL: A mix of the all I think. When the Terran Hegemony split, the FWL was the first around. Thus, I think it was a misc. group of systems who wanted to pull of survival as a faction and didn't care who was who.

[Strum Wealh]

SpiralFace, on 01 September 2014 - 06:25 AM, said:

The RULING PARTIES of the houses tend to be from a singular ethnicity. Kurita: Japanese, Liao: Chinese, Steiner: German, Davion: French, Marik: American or British (unspecified.)

For the record, the Marik family is said to originate from Eastern Europe - the original House Marik sourcebook states, "It may be unfair to point out that while the Marik family has a history that goes back to Eastern Europe's Middle Ages, so does the family of Vlad Dracul", and the name "Marik" is Slavic (e.g. Eastern European) and refers to Mars (the Roman god of war).

[Hollow Earth]

SpiralFace, on 01 September 2014 - 06:25 AM, said:

Kurita has a large population of Muslims and people of Islamic faith. With the 2nd Arkab Legion of the DC adorning half their mechs with passages from the Quran. And the FRR was a Kuritan providence for centuries before Kurita allowed them to Annex.

But isint the Draconis Combine a primarily Buddhist and Shinto practicing nation while islam is merely tolerated because of a small group allied with the DC?

[Odanan]

Strum Wealh, on 25 July 2014 - 03:58 AM, said:

My take on a short generalization of each faction:

• Federated Suns/House Davion: essentially the British Empire, with some French overtones
  
• Lyran Commonwealth/House Steiner: essentially the Holy Roman Empire, with heavy German overtones and some Scottish-themed elements represented
  
• Draconis Combine/House Kurita: essentially early Showa Era (roundabout WWI/WWII) Japan, with a smattering of other cultures (mainly Arabic) represented
  
• Capellan Confederation/House Liao: essentially Qing Dynasty Era China, with a smattering of other cultures (mainly Russian and Scottish) represented
  
• Free Worlds League/House Marik: essentially the Ottoman Empire, with some Roman, Indian (from India), and American overtones
  
• Free Rasalhague Republic: essentially the Swedish Empire, with some American overtones

The Periphery Realms collectively represent the "Developing World", and ComStar is essentially a combination of the pop-culture Illuminati, the Vatican, the phone companies, and the postal services.

I would say the Lyran = Austrian Empire and FWL = Byzantine Empire.

[Skali]

So if you want to choose a faction, the best thing is not to look in the real world, but to look into the battletech history and try to figure out what faction (at the moment (3049) - it will change "spoiler") represents your own worldviews best. Because it is, even though it is based on the mechanisms in the history of the real world – its own world. Most people will probably end up in a faction that is closest their culture and ethnicity, even though that is in truth hard to tell apart for some nations. If you look closely at the history and cultural heritage of France, Germany and England (and therefore as stated a major part of the ethnical roots of Steiner and Davion) you will notice that they overlap in so many ways, that it becomes hard to really draw clear lines between the cultures of the nations, even though there are distinct differences, which we (I am German) love to focus on.

[KraftySOT]

With the FWL, its also Byzantium, not just the Ottomans/Turkmen.

Also Comstar is the HRE, the Lyrans are more the Hansetic League, with Prussian, and even Reformation influences.

World of Blake is the Anti-pope, which is why its settled in the FWL, to go with the Byzantium/Ottoman angle.