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[Wolfways]

EboneezeeR, on 30 August 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

Wow! IS Light's are OP!? WTF? Dude are you on prescripted medication really? Just stop taking drugs yo...
I on Caustic "Vally" saw today how firestarter was blown in pieces by AC20 in mid air. They are not OP, they are easy pray.

You saw a light mech get destroyed by an AC20?! Holy ****, PGI buff lights now!!!

[Carrie Harder]

Although the thread creator was a bit silly, IS lights actually are overall superior to the Clan lights.

And don't say "but play them like mediums!" because I'd rather just pilot an Inner Sphere medium like a Shadow Hawk and crush a Clan light with it using more armor and better hitboxes with equal/more firepower, with similar speed.

[Bacl]

Wolfways, on 30 August 2014 - 04:02 PM, said:

That's a bit of a generalization. But then nobody seems to be interested in which IS mechs are OP anymore.

Well since the poptart meta was dragged in the mud with the Jumpjets nerf, the Opiness of IS mechs minda dissapeared. A Stalker LRM 60 comes to mind, what are your suggestions as IS OP mechs cause appart from that one i cant think of nothing else :/

[Wildstreak]

Really? I just started running 3 Cheese Foxes, all with ECM. So far IS Lights are dying more than me and I got better stats than most Mechs I drive. Want to try again?

Edited by Merchant, 30 August 2014 - 05:47 PM.

[Bacl]

Wolfways, on 30 August 2014 - 04:02 PM, said:

That's a bit of a generalization. But then nobody seems to be interested in which IS mechs are OP anymore.

Well so far the mediums are being dominated by the Nova and even more by the Stormcrow, heavy well "the one that shall not named" ( Timber Wolf) and assault well IS can hold it a bit but the Whale and the Warhawk are really rought beasts compared to the IS. Duel between IS and colan lights i spectated been won by IS more often.

Well since the poptart meta was dragged in the mud with the Jumpjets nerf, the opiness of IS mechs kinda dissapeared. A Stalker LRM 60 comes to mind, what are your suggestions as IS OP mechs cause apart from that one i cant think of nothing else :/

[Wolfways]

Bacl, on 30 August 2014 - 05:44 PM, said:

Well since the poptart meta was dragged in the mud with the Jumpjets nerf, the Opiness of IS mechs minda dissapeared. A Stalker LRM 60 comes to mind, what are your suggestions as IS OP mechs cause appart from that one i cant think of nothing else :/

Anything with LRM's is underpowered.

The Jagermech is still one of the best mechs in the game. It's like a little, more fragile Direwolf...at least when people don't start nerfing it by pulling the AC's off
AC's are still the best weapon in the game and any mech that can carry a lot of them is OP.

[InspectorG]

Current Clan lights are escorts, not scouts.

Clans have some fast scouts, but im guessing the delay is in how to implement MASC. Supposedly Cryengine cant do things moving over 200kph or something.

I want a Dasher SOOOOOOO bad! i want those weird upside-down arms so i can shoot over ridges and stuff.

Anyhow, i used to b**** about the slow clan lights but, understand, they need to escort the heavies, not run off to scout/wolfpack.

[InspectorG]

Wolfways, on 30 August 2014 - 04:02 PM, said:

That's a bit of a generalization. But then nobody seems to be interested in which IS mechs are OP anymore.

Well, the people complaining about LRM boats still QQ like kings...
I dont know of any Clan LRM boats.

[Ultimax]

InspectorG, on 30 August 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

Current Clan lights are escorts, not scouts.

Clans have some fast scouts, but im guessing the delay is in how to implement MASC. Supposedly Cryengine cant do things moving over 200kph or something.

I want a Dasher SOOOOOOO bad! i want those weird upside-down arms so i can shoot over ridges and stuff.

Anyhow, i used to b**** about the slow clan lights but, understand, they need to escort the heavies, not run off to scout/wolfpack.

This is irrelevant.

They can't scout. That's all.

IS lights could do the exact same thing, except they can also go run around and scout/harass due to their speed.

Hanging at the feet of the fatties is only half of the role a light mech can do. And Clan mechs can only do that half.

[Mazerius]

My locust disagrees on another note my forum skillz must be lacking cause i have terrible trouble linking vids/images on these forums #nottechsavvy

[Coralld]

Mazerius, on 30 August 2014 - 08:27 PM, said:

My locust disagrees on another note my forum skillz must be lacking cause i have terrible trouble linking vids/images on these forums #nottechsavvy

Yeah, something is buggy with the forums, you have to manually put in [IMG*] put image here [/IMG*] make sure you remove the asterisks before doing so.

Edited by Coralld, 30 August 2014 - 08:39 PM.

[Mazerius]

Ah I see, Thanks Coralld. Would probably help if I actually posted with any regularity hah

[Wildstreak]

InspectorG, on 30 August 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

I want a Dasher SOOOOOOO bad! i want those weird upside-down arms so i can shoot over ridges and stuff.

Nah, just release the Mist Lynx next, Commando tonnage, stock Jenner speed & jump.

InspectorG, on 30 August 2014 - 07:03 PM, said:

Well, the people complaining about LRM boats still QQ like kings...
I dont know of any Clan LRM boats.

I'm working on which one is best.
Storm Cheese
Sum Cheese
War Cheese
Timber Cheese seems too obvious.

Coralld, on 30 August 2014 - 08:37 PM, said:

Yeah, something is buggy with the forums, you have to manually put in [IMG*] put image here [/IMG*] make sure you remove the asterisks before doing so.

I didn't have to.

[InspectorG]

Ultimatum X, on 30 August 2014 - 08:20 PM, said:

This is irrelevant.

They can't scout. That's all.

IS lights could do the exact same thing, except they can also go run around and scout/harass due to their speed.

Hanging at the feet of the fatties is only half of the role a light mech can do. And Clan mechs can only do that half.

Irrelevant? How so? they ARENT supposed to be scouts.

Well, yeah, with lack of role warfare... Just HOW much scouting is needed? 1 per tam? 2 per team? 3? 4?...
Smallish maps, lack of LRM at comp play, lack of role warfare.
Currently it comes down to (speed as defense(IS) vs higher alphas(Clan))


Clan lights are escorts, IS lights are scouts/harassers.
My Kitfox can have a 48 damage alpha at 101kph, what IS light can do that? Hell, how many IS mediums can do that?
Jenner can get 30 but runs into heat problems.

Some of the better players have said that the days of IS light brawler builds are over due to clan weapon range. And the fix of lag shields.

Clan Fire Moth and Mist Lynx will(in theory...never know with PGI) fix that. Clans will have fast lights with lower alphas.
Just a matter of how long it takes PGI to implement them...6 months? A year? 2 years?????

Clans have kitfox(versatile with ECM and 3AMS(for those who care about such things)) and the Adder, which is considered quite 'meh'.

IS has the Jenner and FS series as well as one Raven. Most of the rest are considered lower tier.

Kitfox and Adder can get 30+ alphas easily with a lower top speed.

Is gets a higher top speed but around a 20 point alpha...unless they push either a heat or ammo issue.

If you think thats irrelevant...i dont know what to tell you. Form follows function?

[InspectorG]

Merchant, on 30 August 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

Nah, just release the Mist Lynx next, Commando tonnage, stock Jenner speed & jump.

I would also be quite fine with a Mist Lynx

[Wildstreak]

It will get ugly when Mist Lynx then Fire Moth come around.
Faster Cheese Lights with ECM on every variant possible.

[EboneezeeR]

RustyBolts, on 30 August 2014 - 11:44 AM, said:

I am tired of seeing the IS scream Clan mechs need to be nerf. I say IS lights need to be nerfed. They have an unfair advantage in speed, heat efficiency, ECM and hard points.

IS mechs can move anywhere from 20 to 50 kph faster than the clans. In lights speed equals survival.
NERF THE IS LIGHTS!

IS mechs have weapons that generate much less heat than Clan mechs. NERF THE IS LIGHTS!

IS mechs have several light mechs that have ECM along with mediums, heavies and assaults. The clans have only one light mech that has ECM and its in its arm instead of a torso slot. NERF THE IS LIGHTS!

IS lights can spread the weapons over their torsos. Clan mechs have to put most of their weapons in their arms. NERF THE IS LIGHTS!

[SaltBeef]

I am hopeful Pgi will release some of the faster clan mechs, like the ice ferret , myst linx, dragonfly, firemoth to counter The fsster pest and give the clans a headhunting option. My wallet awaits them.

Edited by SaltBeef, 31 August 2014 - 09:21 AM.

[InspectorG]

Merchant, on 31 August 2014 - 06:27 AM, said:

It will get ugly when Mist Lynx then Fire Moth come around.
Faster Cheese Lights with ECM on every variant possible.

As long as i can spread that cheese on a ******* with some Carlo Rossi...

[SaltBeef]

I for one will not be dissaponted if firemoth does not get Masc 180 kph iz fast enough!