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#21 Goose

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 10:02 AM

Lets try that again:
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And for the propsed Stereo GTX770
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I derp'd the fan count, and then I read up on how the CPU overclock likely would turn out

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#22 Lord Letto

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:22 AM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VWrzXL
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....XL/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Swiftech H220 55.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($100.00 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($113.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Redline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital RE4-GP 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($378.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($81.66 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1489.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-01 14:20 EDT-0400

#23 Oderint dum Metuant

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:32 AM

View PostLord Letto, on 01 September 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VWrzXL
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....XL/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Swiftech H220 55.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($100.00 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($113.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Redline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital RE4-GP 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($378.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($81.66 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1489.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-01 14:20 EDT-0400


Nice build for the cost.

And i tweaked it.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qw7kHx

Edited by DV McKenna, 01 September 2014 - 10:35 AM.


#24 Fire and Salt

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 04:35 PM

Yea I guess there was a lot of hype surrounding the 4790K processor, saying it could easily be OC'd to 5ghz. Having never read that hype, I suppose I didn't have the opportunity to become disappointed like some folks did.

My impression is that it is extremely likely (>90% chance) that I would be able to reach 4.5 ghz with a cheap water cooler, but very unlikely that I would be able to get to 5 Ghz (<5% chance).




Note that my plan was run run the system as-is for a year or two, until it needed to be overclocked to keep up with new games, etc. However, if OCing the i5 from 3.5ghz to 4ghz is foolproof, and 4.5ghz is as easy as it is on the i7.... maybe it would be worth voiding my warranty to save $100.

Of course the other thing to consider is, that I wont be using the system exclusively for gaming... I may actually get some benefit out of the i7 due to its multitasking abilities. (I tend to have a zillion things open at a time when I'm not gaming.)



For the future - I would guess that it is more likely that i would need to replace the video card / add a second as opposed to needing to upgrade the CPU - since more games are GPU limited than CPU limited. This kinda makes me think that I should go (i7 4ghz + gtx770) as opposed to (i5 3.5ghz + gtx780) because i might go to an all new GPU eventually.

That i7 is basically the best CPU that the mobo can support, and it might remain near the top for all I know... the next gen Intels may not be compatible... (ok, I bet someone knows what direction Intel is taking) as for the next gen graphics cards - I'm sure they will still be PCI cards. Who knows how much better they will be. The 700 series are basically tweaked 600 series cards from what I have read. The 900 series supposedly is a whole new architecture.

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 01:21 AM

View PostFire and Salt, on 01 September 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

Note that my plan was run run the system as-is for a year or two, until it needed to be overclocked to keep up with new games, etc. However, if OCing the i5 from 3.5ghz to 4ghz is foolproof, and 4.5ghz is as easy as it is on the i7.... maybe it would be worth voiding my warranty to save $100.

Of course the other thing to consider is, that I wont be using the system exclusively for gaming... I may actually get some benefit out of the i7 due to its multitasking abilities. (I tend to have a zillion things open at a time when I'm not gaming.)

For the future - I would guess that it is more likely that i would need to replace the video card / add a second as opposed to needing to upgrade the CPU - since more games are GPU limited than CPU limited. This kinda makes me think that I should go (i7 4ghz + gtx770) as opposed to (i5 3.5ghz + gtx780) because i might go to an all new GPU eventually.

That i7 is basically the best CPU that the mobo can support, and it might remain near the top for all I know... the next gen Intels may not be compatible... (ok, I bet someone knows what direction Intel is taking) as for the next gen graphics cards - I'm sure they will still be PCI cards. Who knows how much better they will be. The 700 series are basically tweaked 600 series cards from what I have read. The 900 series supposedly is a whole new architecture.


It depends on the multi tasking of which you speak, an I5 will play a game, have zillions of webpages open on another monitor, have music and youtube and keep going and going and going.
The I7 will benefit you in highly threadded applications, video editing, modding, encoding etc etc.

To the second part, yes and no you'll require a GPU upgrade sooner the lower end of the GPU market you go, however even with the new 800 series cards coming out the 780 will still perform superbly i mean there are still people using GTX 280's and getting acceptable frames in newer games (40's/50's).

A high end GPU like a 780 should last you 3-5 years before replacement easy. At which point you'll prob be looking to upgrade Mobo and CPU anyway as we will probably into the affordable DDR4 RAM era with leaps and bounds having taken place.

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 04:08 AM

View PostMadTulip, on 31 August 2014 - 12:52 AM, said:

- Get more RAM. Its cheap and effective compared to cpu and gpu.
- Spend less on the casing, just get some cheap stuff here. Its just a metal box.

for CPU and GPU i would take a look at theese spead mesurments.:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/
They also do a power/price listing where you can see what is effective (fast but not too expansive).

i recomment nvidia and intel chips.

SSD is a good idea - boots the OS a lot faster if you install OS on that drive. put dead big files, like music and videos on the 2T magnetic drive.


absolutely disagree on the case. im on my 3rd home built PC now, and this one is streets better than the previous ones, in my opinion due to the fact i DIDNT get a cheap ****** case, i got one with good cable routing and airflow. 3 years in my PC never overheats and never crashes, by this point the 2 previous ones were starting to get very cranky due to overheating issues.

#27 Lord Letto

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 08:43 AM

I decided to check out DDR4 at PCPartPicker, i came up with this:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4Q4RwP
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....wP/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($389.99 @ TigerDirect)
CPU Cooler: Swiftech H220 55.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($100.00 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($209.79 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital WD Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($81.69 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Club 3D Radeon R9 280X 3GB royalQueen Video Card ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.50 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1499.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-02 12:38 EDT-0400

6 Core Intel, X99, DDR4, R9 280X (Same Level as 770 according to Toms CPU Hierarchy),ETC.
IMO, Full of WIN!

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 09:30 AM

View PostLord Letto, on 02 September 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

I decided to check out DDR4 at PCPartPicker, i came up with this:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4Q4RwP
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....wP/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($389.99 @ TigerDirect)
CPU Cooler: Swiftech H220 55.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($100.00 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($209.79 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital WD Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($81.69 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Club 3D Radeon R9 280X 3GB royalQueen Video Card ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.50 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1499.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-02 12:38 EDT-0400

6 Core Intel, X99, DDR4, R9 280X (Same Level as 770 according to Toms CPU Hierarchy),ETC.
IMO, Full of WIN!


You will likely want 4 stick of RAM as the X99 platform with DDR4 is quad-channel. Also, because of higher latencies that DDR4-2133 will perform worse than the equivalent DDR3-2133 on a Z97 platform unless you plan on bumping the voltage a bit to get better clock speeds and timings (assuming that Crucial RAM has headroom, I've never had anything but bad luck with Crucial). The upside is if you put that 5820K into 4.0-4.4GhZ territory you definitely won't be CPU limited in MWO.

I just ordered a 5820K, Gigabyte X99 Gaming G1 WIFI, 16GB of Corsair DDR4-2666, and a Corsair H105 myself. I'll be running GTX 660 Ti and a Samsung 840 Pro SSD from my old system on this new platform.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 01:41 AM

I don't feel the value is there in x99 systems compared to DR based machines atm personally.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 07:03 AM

View PostDV McKenna, on 03 September 2014 - 01:41 AM, said:

I don't feel the value is there in x99 systems compared to DR based machines atm personally.


If all you do is game and browse the web, of course not. It's meant for a certain crowd. I'm part of the crowd. It's just a bonus that now I get to throw 12 threads and more I/O bandwidth at MWO at the end of the day.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 07:09 AM

View PostxWiredx, on 03 September 2014 - 07:03 AM, said:


If all you do is game and browse the web, of course not. It's meant for a certain crowd. I'm part of the crowd. It's just a bonus that now I get to throw 12 threads and more I/O bandwidth at MWO at the end of the day.


And do those 12 threads make a decent impact?

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 07:30 AM

From what I've seen on my 2600K, 6 threads are in use when playing MWO. Windows doesn't give a particularly easy way to track down what is using each core at any given time. Since the 2600K is 4c/8t, any bottleneck there could have been from hyperthreading will be relieved but I doubt there really was much of one at all. Still, I plan on re-adding my second GTX 660 Ti for SLI, which will require a little more CPU, too. Once I actually build the machine (last of my parts arrive on Sep 8) I will try to do some comprehensive testing.

(what I'm actually using the machine for, though, is a few virtualization projects)

Edited by xWiredx, 03 September 2014 - 07:43 AM.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 08:39 AM

Cool Im interested to see the results/benefits

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 09:17 AM

O_o

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 10:08 AM

View PostGoose, on 03 September 2014 - 09:17 AM, said:



Sorry, but reading all of that is... challenging at the very least because your writing style isn't boring and concise. It doesn't help that the MWO forum is being my distraction from work atm. Oh, and your images are impossible to read so... like... I don't actually know what they contain. I'm assuming it's the data you're talking about, but again, your writing style. Also, your use of several nonstandard things (resolution is weird, custom configuration, etc). Your tests just aren't good tests. I wish I had a Piledriver machine to do an AMD comparison on, but it just isn't in the cards.

I will be using my 2600K and 5820K. Depending on time, I will try to test for the factors of stock vs OC, hyperthreading on vs off, different RAM speeds (DDR3 vs DDR4), and 1 card vs SLI. I will be using in-game settings only, and a standard resolution of 1920x1080.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 10:18 AM

If you are having trouble reading 3240x1920 images, it's not a new comp you need …

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 10:31 AM

They don't blow up like that. I hit the tiny image, it takes me to photobucket, and when I hit the magnification... nothing. It's the same size. Maybe that's just photobucket and Firefox or Chrome, but I'm not using IE to check. No sir, not ever. Being that my laptop is only 1600x900, the images should run off the side and out the bottom, but I get nothing. It is what it is.

Either way, it doesn't matter because as I said before, your tests are not good tests. They're nice for the 1 guy that uses the setup you use (just you) but they don't give an accurate comparison of architectures IPC, how more cores affect or don't affect performance, what effect memory speed has, or how much SLI helps based on a standard resolution that most people use or standard settings. I have an initial observation, and I am going to test a hypothesis.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 10:41 AM

"Your development work invalidates your development work." :mellow:

You've got something blocking javascript if you can't get the full size image; I understand "block javascript" if Waterfox, as a principle, but you need more control.

I am pleased someone else will do some testing: Teh Moar, Teh M3rri3r.

Oh: You might wan'a check your post, as "not boring" is a complement-_-

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 11:16 AM

No, compliment kind of intended. It's a good writing style for actual writing, just not technical things.

Too much data will eventually be incoming, but UPS says the motherboard and RAM won't be here until next Monday so actual information won't be available until... probably the Sunday after that.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 01:11 PM

I wondered if there weren't' some "green apples & pears" issue in that line …

Maybe there's not enough Car and Driver in your diet. :P





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