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#1 DannDruid

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 01:21 AM

Does anyone have a list of which current mechs we(KURITA) will be able to pilot for community warfare? I don't want to waste any more time/money on mechs that will be useless unless I betray my House.

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 09:54 AM

I don't know but you can't go wrong with Spiders, Jenners, Locusts (but only the 1V), Blackjacks, Firestarters, Wolverines, Trebuchets, Griffons, Dragons, Quickdraws, Atlases, Victors, and Stalkers. I'm fairly certain these mechs will have at LEAST one variant allowed. Possibly some of the other mechs (Hunchback, JagerMechs, Shadowhawk, etc), but I feel less certain about them.

Edited by Arcainite, 09 September 2014 - 09:59 AM.


#3 LocustStar

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 10:12 AM

Probably Catapults and Battlemasters (4S) too.

Edited by LocustStar, 09 September 2014 - 10:20 AM.


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Posted 09 September 2014 - 10:12 AM

I'm not sure they've announced enough details regarding CM to conclude that your mechs will be limited to specific IS variants. The last I heard, houses would just have discounts on the IS mechs which they favor. That being said, a month ago they did a sale on all "Kurita" mechs. They included: Spiders, Jenners, Raven, Cicada, Hunchback, Kintaro, Dragon, and Catapult.

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 10:37 AM

http://www.sarna.net...ine_BattleMechs

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 10:43 AM

View PostKorosu Akuma, on 09 September 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

I'm not sure they've announced enough details regarding CM to conclude that your mechs will be limited to specific IS variants. The last I heard, houses would just have discounts on the IS mechs which they favor. That being said, a month ago they did a sale on all "Kurita" mechs. They included: Spiders, Jenners, Raven, Cicada, Hunchback, Kintaro, Dragon, and Catapult.

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Due to laziness Imma copy+Paste K variants in MWO from one of my text documents. I was basically seeing what type of weaponry Kuritan likes to use. So sorry if I have typos or whatever.
Spider 5k - 2 Machinegun, 1 medium laser, Jumpjets
Firestarter K - 1 Large Laser, 2 Flamers, 2 Small Lasers, Jumpjets
Jenner K - 4 Medium lasers, 1 SRM 4, Jumpjets

Trebuchet 7k - 1 PPC, 1 AC5, 1 SRM 2, no JJs
Shadow Hawk 2k - 1 PPC, 1 SRM 2, Jumpjets
Wolverine 6k - 1 Large Laser, 2 Medium laser, 1 Small laser, 1 SRM 6, no JJ (they had probs)
Wolverine 7k - 1 Large Pulse, 1 Med Pulse, 1 Small Pulse, 2 SRM 6, JJs

Quickdraw 5K - 6 Medium lasers, 1 SRM 4, JJs
Catapult K2 - 2 PPC, 2 Medium laser, 2 Machinegun, no JJs
Orion K (does it count? it's default and not kuritan) - 1 AC 10, 1 LRM 15, 1 SRM 4, 2 Medium laser

Victor 9k - Gauss Rifle, 2 Medium Pulse, 1 SRM 4
Atlas K - 2 ER Large, 1 Gauss Rifle, 1 LRM 20, 2 Medium Pulse (makes space by using XL)




Of course. Jenner + Dragon are all Kuritan poster boys. They were one of the many reasons why I held the Kurita icon for such a long time (My love for the Mad Dog made me go Clan General)

Edited by Keeshu, 09 September 2014 - 10:53 AM.


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Posted 09 September 2014 - 11:46 AM

In 3039 the Draconis Combine captured the Quentin Jaegermech plant and began full production of all variants placing them in front line units.

The Draconis Combine also has a long running Griffin factory.

There is also a regiments worth of Battlemasters that Kurita hijacked from the Comguards.

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 01:30 PM

I know the Atlas DDC is ours (DC standing for Draconis Combine)

But yeah PGI needs to let us know which mechs are going to be Faction Legal. I have 3 Jenners but not the K. Does that mean I have to pick up the "K" variant?

#9 Kyone Akashi

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 04:14 PM

Unless something changed, it will be as Akuma-san suggested and the hard barrier (as in: "available" or "locked") will exist only between Clan- and IS-machines, whereas finer faction differences will be represented by discounts and/or price hikes. In the Inner Sphere of 3050, just about any 'mech can be found at least once in service to every single major state, owing to planets with production facilities having changed hands multiple times over the various Succession Wars, as well as the BattleMechs of defeated foes being salvaged and returned to service.

View PostCellinor, on 11 September 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

But yeah PGI needs to let us know which mechs are going to be Faction Legal. I have 3 Jenners but not the K. Does that mean I have to pick up the "K" variant?
The JR7 is an original Combine design, and all variants currently available in MWO (save for the unique Hero) are in service with the DCMS:

JR7-F: An oddity to MWO, as its hardpoint allocation in the game does not fit to its description in the canon. It is also an outdated variant that has not been manufactured for centuries and only saw a limited run before replacement with the much improved D-type - but if anyone ought to have one of these, it's the Draconis Combine.
"None of the original prototypes with the large laser are still functional, though a few pilots have attempted unsuccessfully to modify their machines to carry a large laser without the turret." (TRO3039)

JR7-D: The standard Light 'mech workhorse of the DCMS for centuries, this is arguably the variant of the Jenner that should be around the most.
"Despite the destruction of the last Jenner factory in 2848, nearly every battalion in the Draconis Combine fielded at least one Jenner within its ranks as late as the end of the War of 3039." (TRO3039)

JR7-K: A recent development following the priority reopening of the Jenner line on Luthien as decreed by Theodore-sama, the Jenner-K is considered an upgrade to the D-type and set to become the new standard.
"With only minor changes to the design, the K-model Jenner began replacing the D-model with no noticeable interruption in production." (TRO3050u)

As per the Draconis Combine Field Manual, all three Jenner models appear in the random 'mech assignment table for this era.

Edited by Kyone Akashi, 11 September 2014 - 04:16 PM.


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Posted 11 September 2014 - 07:27 PM

thanks Akashi I appreciate the info

#11 Kyone Akashi

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 06:04 AM

Do itashimashite. ^_^

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 06:22 AM

Of course, PGI got some things wrong on their sale. Dracs with Ravens are a hell of a stretch.

One really key mech in the DC Roster that isn't in (Yet) is the Panther. You can make one pretty easily with a Jenner chassis, but I won't say that it's good at this time. Still, getting some kills in one is kind of funny.

Mechs you should expect are

Jenner
Cicada... but only because it's said they're everywhere due to capture and salvage. Not made here.
Hunchback - one of the few Mediums the DC really likes, but they don't make them.
Griffin (I think of it as a steiner mech, but apparently the most plentiful of the Dougram 55'ers)
Wolverine (Esp the K variant)
Shadowhawk, the least plentiful Dougram 55, but still plentiful.
There are a few Trebuchets, but maybe not enough to show up on paper. The K variant Trebuchet I'm pretty sure was initially a one-off for the Sorensons' sabres.
Dragon
Quickdraw
Catapult (From outside sources)
Jagermech (Yeah, I know... That's a davion mech, you're thinking, but the DC captures the manufacturing plant in the war of 3039, which is why they've got those DD Jagers in time for the clan invasion)
Orion (Maybe. Shows up in 3039, not in ER3052)
Awesome (Ditto)
Victor (Just like the Jagermech, manufactured on the same planet)
Atlas (Again. Same planet that got captured)
Battlemaster
Stalker (Because everyone has stalkers, the most common of the assaults)
Highlander (Better chance than most thanks to Comstar Dealings netting us old starleague tech prior to 3039)

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 06:30 AM

View PostKyone Akashi, on 11 September 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:


JR7-F: An oddity to MWO, as its hardpoint allocation in the game does not fit to its description in the canon. It is also an outdated variant that has not been manufactured for centuries and only saw a limited run before replacement with the much improved D-type - but if anyone ought to have one of these, it's the Draconis Combine.
"None of the original prototypes with the large laser are still functional, though a few pilots have attempted unsuccessfully to modify their machines to carry a large laser without the turret." (TRO3039)



Just thought I should point it out, but I'm afraid you've misquoted the TRO.

Technical Readout 3039 said:

The only variant known to exist before the discovery
of the Helm core is the rarely seen JR7-F model without
the SRM 4. Carrying more armor, these have had more success
as raiders.

None of the original prototypes with the
large laser are still functional, though a few pilots have attempted,
unsuccessfully, to modify their machines to carry
a large laser without the turret.


I put a break in the text for emphasis. The F variant is accurately described, it's just that the Prototypes aren't the F-variant, but an earlier one, the "A" variant. It doesn't go into much detail about it in the TRO, but you can find the record sheet for it in the Record Sheets 3039 Unabridged PDF.

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 02:15 PM

Hmm, if the text had the break you put in I may have interpreted it the same way, but given that the sentences follow directly on one another, I had assumed it would refer to the type-F. I do not have the Record Sheets, but will take your word for it. I humbly extend my gratitude for the correction, and beg forgiveness for the false information!

In this context, it sounds as if the type-F is actually more modern than the type-D, but older than the K. Might we have a case of alphabetical succession here?

A (prototype) -> D (serial production model) -> F (pre-Helm variant) -> K (post-Helm upgrade)
... with the intermediate letters being experimental "design stages" that were either rejected or merely served as test models for various systems and configurations?

Edited by Kyone Akashi, 12 September 2014 - 02:15 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2014 - 02:32 PM

Me and the boys were running some "closed beta meta" in the lance challenge the other night.

3 dual gauss K2's. 1 DDC.

Kurita space = secure

Edited by Conreg, 13 September 2014 - 04:16 AM.


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Posted 12 September 2014 - 03:35 PM

Well, from the Era Report 3052 RAT:

Light:

COM-2D Commando [25] (3039)

SDR-5K/SDR-7M Spider [30] (3039/3050)*

LCT-1V/LCT-3M Locust [20] (3039/3085)*

PNT-9R/PNT-10KPanther [35] (3039/3050)*

JR7-D/JR7-KJenner [35] (3039/3050)*

PNT-9R/PNT-C Panther [35] (3039/3050)*

JR7-D/JR7-C Jenner [35] (3039/3050)*

WSP-1A/WSP-3M Wasp [20] (3039/3085)*

SDR-5V/SDR-7M Spider [30] (3039/3050)*

PNT-9R/PNT-10KPanther [35] (3039/3050)*

MON-68 Mongoose [25] (3039)



Medium:

KTO-20 Kintaro [55] (3050)

WTH-1/WTH-2 Whitworth [40] (3039/3050)*

PXH-1K/PXH-3KPhoenix Hawk [45] (3039/3085)*

WVR-6K/WVR-7KWolverine [55] (3039/3085)*

STN-3M Sentinel [40] (3039)

GRF-1N/GRF-1DSGriffin [55] (3039/3085)*

PXH-1K/PXH-3KPhoenix Hawk [45] (3039/3085)*

WVR-6K/WVR-7KWolverine [55] (3039/3085)*

HBK-4G Hunchback/WFT-1 Wolf Trap [50/45] (3039/3050)*

CRB-27 Crab [50] (3050)

DV-6M Dervish [55] (3039)



Heavy:

GRH-5H/GHR-C Grasshopper [70] (3039/3050)*

ARC-2R/ARC-5RArcher [75] (3039/3085)*

QKD-4G/QKD-5KQuickdraw [60] (3039/3050)*

JM6-D/JM6-DD JagerMech [65] (3039/3050)*

MAD-3R/MAD-5D Marauder [75] (3039/3085)*

DRG-1G/DRG-5KDragon [60] (3039/3050)*

DRG-5NGrand Dragon [60] (3050)

MAD-3R/MAD-5D Marauder [75] (3039/3085)*

DRG-1G/DRG-C Grand Dragon [60] (3039/3050)*

CRD-3K/CRD-4KCrusader [65] (3039/3085)*

QKD-4G/QKD-C Quickdraw [60] (3039/3050)*



Assault:

BLR-1G/BLR-3M BattleMaster [85] (3039/3085)*

MAL-1RMauler [90] (3050)

HTM-27T/HTM-C Hatamoto-Chi [80] (3050)*

VTR-9B/VTR-9KVictor [80] (3039/3050)*

AS7-D/AS7-KAtlas [100] (3039/3050)*

HTM-27T/HTM-CM Hatamoto-Chi [80] (3050)*

DCMS-90X-D Daboku/MAL-1RMauler [90] (3039/3050)*

CRK-5003-2 Katana [85] (3050)

CGR-1A9/CGR-3KCharger [80] (3039/3050)*

BLR-1G/BLR-3SBattleMaster [85] (3039/3085)*

CP-11-A/CP-11-C Cyclops [90] (3050)



#17 Cellinor

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:03 AM

interesting. I am going to build the dual gauss tomorrow and starting testing. the severe lack of armor in the legs worries me but if it drops the opponent before it gets dropped then all good.

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:57 AM

View Postice trey, on 12 September 2014 - 06:30 AM, said:

The F variant is accurately described, it's just that the Prototypes aren't the F-variant, but an earlier one, the "A" variant. It doesn't go into much detail about it in the TRO, but you can find the record sheet for it in the Record Sheets 3039 Unabridged PDF.

I'm looking at the PDF: the Jenner A has one Large Laser in the right torso. Interesting...

How could this variant make it into MWO? 6 energy hardpoints in the RT?

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 07:05 AM

View PostKyone Akashi, on 12 September 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

In this context, it sounds as if the type-F is actually more modern than the type-D, but older than the K. Might we have a case of alphabetical succession here?

A (prototype) -> D (serial production model) -> F (pre-Helm variant) -> K (post-Helm upgrade)
... with the intermediate letters being experimental "design stages" that were either rejected or merely served as test models for various systems and configurations?


It does indeed sound that way, though there may or may not have been some Variants that haven't been published yet. There might be some Succession Wars sourcebooks hitting shelves in a couple years. They'll likely have a trinket or two to include.

Yes, many of the initial 'mechs didn't really follow any particular order for the lettering. Even the Dragon, which was a home-grown DC design doesn't actually use the "K" moniker until later on in the years.

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 07:11 AM

View PostOdanan, on 13 September 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

I'm looking at the PDF: the Jenner A has one Large Laser in the right torso. Interesting...

How could this variant make it into MWO? 6 energy hardpoints in the RT?


Well, it's supposed to be an old prototype variant that's been dead for many years.
I don't feel like it'd be necessary either, as the F pretty much fills the same shoes.

If we'd be getting a new variant of anything, I still call foul that the Grand Dragon variants are not included in MWO. As though swapping the AC for a PPC and tacking a "Grand" onto the name makes it a different mech.

Also looking at you, Crockett/Katana and Daboku/Mauler.





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