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[DjPush]

The jam on the first shot thing is getting old.... nuff said!

Edited by DjPush, 20 September 2014 - 08:03 PM.

[Fire and Salt]

It doesn't jam on the first shot.

[DjPush]

sure... sure

[the darkness in all of us]

No.
And I don't even use any AC5.

[The Massive]

I'd like a reduced jam module for uac5. But lvl5 would make the gun op.

If you're having trouble with jams try delaying the second shot as late as possible in the cooldown cycle.

[Fire and Salt]

I want to see video of this first shot jamming.

I bet the devs would too. If it happens, its a bug.

[Koniving]

Fire and Salt, on 20 September 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

It doesn't jam on the first shot.

Does if you tap it rather than hold it.

If your mouse is sensitive to accidental double clicks.

[Koniving]

Triple shot bug.


(Only semi related.)

The "hold to fire" command was given as a treatment to the pre-first-shot-jam. Since it has become quite a bit rare.

What happens is with computers set to make 'double tap' registration easier might accidentally assume that what was intended as a single click, because pressure was applied, let off and reapplied ever so briefly, was a double. If you double tap quick enough before the first shot fires, you instantly jam without a single shot being fired.

Just like, if you don't jam but do it... you can get 3 shots off in a single cooldown.

[Fire and Salt]

0:16-18ish

Looks like you pulled the trigger just before the cooldown, which means that you basically got the double tap to happen at the last possible second... then Immediately afterwards, you fired the first shot from the next cycle.


To do some ascii art:

Say "i" represents the initial shot, and "!" represents the double tap.

firing without double tap would look like this:
i-------i-------i-------i-------

Adding in the double tap, assuming you do it as early as possible, would look like this:
i---!---i---!---i---!---i---!---


However, you can delay the double tap, as long as you want, as long as it is before the cool down cycle completes, like so:
i------!i------!i------!i------!

This creates super-rapid succession shots. In fact, I used to try and do this ON PURPOSE (though with varying degrees of success) because it can basically turn two UAC5 shots into an AC10 shot.


From what I can tell, your "triple shot" was actually a combination of one very late double-tap, and a 2nd early as possible double tap, like so:

i------!i---!---
............^ "triple shot"


i---!---
..^ normal double shot




I don't remember exactly what the double tap window is... lets say its 0.7 seconds.

It is possible to fire 3 shots in ~0.71 seconds, because one is a late double tap, from the previous cycle.

Koniving, on 22 September 2014 - 07:07 AM, said:

Does if you tap it rather than hold it.

If your mouse is sensitive to accidental double clicks.

Even in those cases, if jams after the first shot. The first shot is still successfully fired.

Edited by Fire and Salt, 22 September 2014 - 11:43 PM.

[Thrudvangar]

Fire and Salt, on 20 September 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

It doesn't jam on the first shot.

yes it does and i've got it confirmed by a GM via email.

i'm using uac5 on almost every medium mech i have and i've get this bug daily in almost every match i'm using it.

and btw: why is everybody calling for a video proving it? just try it out by yourself. this bug even happens on the testing grounds.

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Even in those cases, if jams after the first shot. The first shot is still successfully fired.

this isn't really how it should work or intended...

Edited by Thrudvangar, 23 September 2014 - 12:17 AM.

[Fire and Salt]

UAC5 used to be my favorite weapon. I used it all the time.


I never once had it jam on the first shot. It has always fired at least 1 shot for me, before jamming. For me, "jamming on the first shot" implies that it does not fire at all. I have never seen this, in hundreds of games using the UAC5.

I have had it jam after the first shot due to an accidental double tap. (The game used to be more sensitive to this with the old mechanic)





I have always known about the alleged "triple shot" and I never considered it a bug.
(See my explanation above.)

Edited by Fire and Salt, 23 September 2014 - 12:27 AM.

[Thrudvangar]

Fire and Salt, on 23 September 2014 - 12:21 AM, said:

UAC5 used to be my favorite weapon. I used it all the time.


I never once had it jam on the first shot. It has always fired at least 1 shot for me, before jamming. For me, "jamming on the first shot" implies that it does not fire at all. I have never seen this, in hundreds of games using the UAC5.

I have had it jam after the first shot due to an accidental double tap. (The game used to be more sensitive to this with the old mechanic)





I have always known about the alleged "triple shot" and I never considered it a bug.
(See my explanation above.)

well then you're lucky.
i've got it quite often that it jams without even getting a round out of it.... and i always start cursing when this happens.

i made a video about it a few months ago and send it to the support, the GM who answered confirmed that it's a bug and they know and working on it. Unfortunately i deleted that video after the email conversation.

[Thrudvangar]

i'm uploading a video right now where i just fought on terra therma. will just take a long time to upload it to youtube ;)

the first engagement i had was a raven, nothing fired before and my UAC5 jams right after the first button push.
Ok it gets a round out, you're right, but then it instantly jams, this is also a bug and not "working as intended"
since i didn't tried to double tab. Even if you hold down your firing button it shouldn't jam, it should just fire like
a normal AC5.

Edit 1: LOL i just saw that you were on the enemy team "Fire and Salt" hahaha..

Edit 2: Video is still uploading, will post it here as soon as it finished uploading.

Edited by Thrudvangar, 23 September 2014 - 02:40 AM.

[Thrudvangar]

okay, here's the video. watch at 2:10 as i face the Raven...

sorry for the really bad quality, i don't make videos normally and dunno what options i have to take out of bandicam so that youtube won't screw 'em up like this, lol.

https://www.youtube....xxdgTBOxM#t=120

[Team Chevy86]

A jam reduction module would be awesome... I love uAC5's. Even at tier 5, %10 would be worth dropping 3mil on it. Bothers me that there isn't a single module for them

Edited by Team Chevy86, 23 September 2014 - 04:07 AM.