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[cheapcamper]

anyone got the new cards?

I am so tempted.....

[Lordred]

I actually will be playing with a 980 Tuesday.

[CHH Badkarma]

Well, one would think that is I get between 60-90 fps with a 680 with settings maxed at 1080, the new cards "should" do better to a point. However, this is MWO. Anything can happen

[ninjitsu]

Video cards will only do so much for MWO. If you've got multiple monitors or running at 4k, I can see a use for it. Otherwise, MWO is CPU bound and only benefits so much from high end video cards.

[itiziDITKA]

I should have one in tomorrow, or maybe Tuesday at the latest. I'll post some results here when I get the chance to use it.

[Summon3r]

all signs point to the 970 being off the charts AWESOME for price/performance

[cheapcamper]

I had a 2560 1440 monitor, so 1080p is not enough.... You guys reckon 970 is gonna be enough or 980 is the way to go?

[Catamount]

The performance difference between the 970 and 980 is fairly minimal. The 980 costs about 70% more for a 15% performance gain, essentially making it a useless product so long as the 970 exists.

If you really want more than the 970, then the 980 is most certainly not going to satisfy you.

Edited by Catamount, 21 September 2014 - 05:33 PM.

[Lordred]

War 4H, on 21 September 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

My 780Ti is better than the 980. I'll wait for the 980Ti.

Every review I have seen places the 980 faster then the 780Ti, at a lower power draw.

[p8ragon]

War 4H, on 21 September 2014 - 05:37 PM, said:

970, if that is not enough, go 780Ti. IMO, the 980 is useless for cost/performance.

The 980 is better than the 780 ti in every single way.

I have a 780 ti as well, and yes this makes me sad. Such is the pace of technology :/

[Eboli]

I am currently building a new pc with an 4790K cpu and was struggling to work out which graphics card to purchase.

The 970 has come along at the right time and I will be ordering via USA as the price here in Australia is going to be A$550+ vs around US$350.

Cheers!
Eboli

[JackPoint]

don't rush out to buy a 980/970, wait a few weeks and buy a 780ti, much better performance and probably a few shillings cheaper once they drop down in price.

[Lordred]

Jackpoint, on 23 September 2014 - 06:41 AM, said:

don't rush out to buy a 980/970, wait a few weeks and buy a 780ti, much better performance and probably a few shillings cheaper once they drop down in price.

So far every reputable review I have read shows the 980 is at worst equal to the 780ti. Uses 2/3rds the power, and at a lower price point.

The 780ti is now EOLed it may not see a big enough price cut to be worth it.

[Catamount]

The only "price cut" the 780ti is likely to see is clearance pricing, and probably not for long. Not only is Nvidia almost certainly providing no more 780TI GPUs to their board partners for manufacturing, but I'd bet willing to be Nvidia cut that supply off significantly before the 970/980 released in order to not have a bunch of 780TIs laying around.

The reason the 980 is cheaper is because it's inherently cheaper to produce. It's a much smaller GPU (only like 2/3 the size), with significantly fewer transistors and CUDA cores, TMUs and ROPs (1/2 to 2/3 depending on which you're talking about). 780TIs sold at low prices will be sold at no great profit, maybe even a loss, and Nvidia is not likely to push for that situation.

The 780TI is not faster than the 980, either. It is slower

http://www.techpower...GTX_980/26.html

In fact, the 970 is just about sitting where the 780TI is. The 970 is only 3-9% slower, which is a negligible difference. So unless the 780TI does the unlikely, and drops to just about where the 970 is, or lower since its very slightly better performance is offset by inferior features, less VRAM, and massive power draw differences, there is no reason, whatsoever, to buy a 780TI, ever. I wouldn't buy a 780TI unless it was at least $30 or $40 cheaper than the 970.

In fact, Nvidia's product introduction page at least somewhat suggests that the 900 series will be the only GPUs out right now to get DX12 support, and even given a risk of that, I wouldn't pick up a 780TI unless it was vastly cheaper than the 970. It's just too obsolete by comparison, and a few percent performance doesn't make up for that.

Edited by Catamount, 23 September 2014 - 08:22 AM.

[JackPoint]

yeh, cos all games run dx12, you're lucky if you find 5 AAA games that run dx9 let alone dx11.

http://www.kitguru.n...780-ti-insider/

Edited by Jackpoint, 23 September 2014 - 08:32 AM.

[Catamount]

Jackpoint, on 23 September 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

yeh, cos all games run dx12, you're lucky if you find 5 AAA games that run dx9 let alone dx11.

http://www.kitguru.n...780-ti-insider/

Jackpoint... I'm not even sure where to start.

Look, with all due respect, let me just lay out where you've gone wrong here. First off, don't say "cos" as an abbreviation for "because". I'm serious; it will just cause people to dismiss you as an idiot, and we don't want that.

Secondly, your statement makes almost no factual sense, and lacks reasoning where it does. Let's break it down.

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you're lucky if you find 5 AAA games that run dx9 let alone dx11

Okay, so the only thing I can interpret this statement as is you claiming that not only are there not 5 AAA games that run DX11 (which is just plain wrong), but you're claiming that there aren't 5 AAA games that have at least DX9. So therefore you're claiming that nearly every AAA title out there is DX8.1 or earlier.

Umm... no. I gave you DX11 support, here's DX10 support

http://en.wikipedia....ectX_10_support

and ALL of the remaining AAA titles made in at least the last ten years have DX9 support, plain and simple, and just about every game in the last ten years, period, have had DX9 support. So no, you're very much wrong. I could very easily find 5 AAA titles that run DX9, or DX10, or DX11. I could find very much more than 5 for any of those APIs.


Even if your premise wasn't factually just totally, completely and utterly wrong, your conclusion does not follow. If I"m going to pay for a GPU, then DX12 is a feature to have. It doesn't matter if all games have it. It doesn't even matter if most games have it, which most should before too long into the life of a new GPU, because no matter what, some games will have it, which means that you're missing out if you pay for a GPU that doesn't support it.

Maybe the 780TI will support it. Supposedly existing hardware will have some unspecific level of support for it, but Nvidia's woeful history with APIs suggests the contrary (they might even block it specifically to motivate migration to new GPUs to drum up sales; that they're selling the 900 series specifically on this point supports that idea). But either way, for a given amount of money, I'm going to go with the GPU that has stated support, all other things being equal, and your argument is not reasoning counter to that notion.


As for your idiotic article, here's where you went wrong: you put up hypothetical judgements of performance against actual measurements of performance.

Your article is nothing but Kitguru guessing that the 980 wouldn't outperform the 780TI. What I linked was an actual measurement showing that across a large number of games, the 980 does outperform the 780TI, at all resolutions. Even the 970 matches the 780TI for all intents and purposes, and it's $330 with better features. Even throwing DX12 out entirely the 970 has better features.

Sorry bud, but practice trumps theory, and measurement trumps hypothetical guesswork.

For your sake, I'd suggest not continuing to argue long after you've been shown to be wrong, and digging yourself into a bigger hole.

Edited by Catamount, 23 September 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[Article22]

I got the Galax GTX 970 on Saturday to replace a noisy HD 7950 and so far it is has been brilliant.

Silent even with my case 2 inches from me, and my fps is around the 55-70 mark at 1440p with everything maxed though I turn off some of the more expensive AA as I don't see a point at 1440p.

Nvidia also have a new AA called MFAA which can be enabled manually.

Well recommended

[poohead]

I can understand 970 sli is a bit overkill for mwo (if indeed you can get sli to work). But has anyone tried DSR with MWO, and has it made any difference to the visuals?

I'm tempted by 970 sli, and getting rid of my 670. But I get respectable fps with the 670, so I'm curious if the extra ooomph of the 970 will give me extra eye candy.

[Odins Fist]

Jackpoint, on 23 September 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

you're lucky if you find 5 AAA games that run dx9 let alone dx11.

Well... You're wrong

[Lordred]

Initial report, the 980 is SUBSTANTIALLY faster then my 680

http://www.3dmark.co...1384/fs/2810655