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[NotoriousForce]

Nikohki, on 23 June 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

I got one word for you buddy: freeborn

If you mean clan members that are actually born and not MANUFACTURED then that is mainly the civilian castes. Not to many freeborn warriors other than in the wolf's dragoons/warden clans

also They are not the kind of society that would survive without their Testtube Babies

Edited by NotoriousForce, 23 June 2012 - 11:16 PM.

[NotoriousForce]

Jaxxon Steele, on 23 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

How can you dislike a society different then your own without at least living it for a time? Because they have a different way of life you dislike them? Way to go trying to keep things one dimensional.

so it is wrong for me to dislike North korea's Militaristic Dictatorship? You point only goes so far.

[Risky]

Clans - 10th century Christian crusaders with hightech mechs.

No, I don't like them.

[Adrian Carino]

The issue I have with the Clans is exactly what Risky says. I will always be partial to the Inner Sphere because warriors don't have to be manufactured. And it was proven that the Clans can't stand up to the combined might of the IS when we beat them down in their own Trial of Refusal on Strana Mechty and then followed it up with the complete and utter destruction of the vaunted Clan Smoke Jaguar.

[Suicidal Idiot]

Jaxxon Steele, on 23 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

How can you dislike a society different then your own without at least living it for a time? Because they have a different way of life you dislike them? Way to go trying to keep things one dimensional.

I know of societies where "same gender physically close people" are hanged. Women are stoned to death for the crime of being rape victims. Church attendance is mandatory. The government laws regarding diet make New York's soda ban seem a paradise of freedom. Where young girls are pushed back into a burning school to die horribly, lest a man sees them without covering.

I not only dislike those societies, but I refuse to live in them for any length of time at all. And so will most folks on this site, when they realize the internet access sucks, and "depictions of people without clothing" & booze are also illegal.

Lived in east Asia a couple of years, though. That wasn't so bad, but I still vastly prefer the US.

On the other hand, there are many, many, many people who prefer to live in the above described societies, and I applaud their willingness to live by their beliefs. I am a friend to any willing to let me live according to my own beliefs,and am very grateful for the quirk of fate that caused me to be born in the west.
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edited because words describing same gender relations, and grown up pictographic reading material get *'ed out.

Edited by Suicidal Idiot, 23 June 2012 - 11:26 PM.

[NotoriousForce]

Suicidal *****, on 23 June 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

I not only dislike those societies, but I refuse to live in them for any length at all. And so will you, when you realize the internet access sucks, and **** & booze are also illegal.

Lived in east asia a couple of years, though. That wasn't so bad, but I still vastly prefer the US.

Your name...it just...i can't resist saying this but

a Suicidal Idi0t killed you/ a suicidal idi0t commited suicide/ a suicidal idi0t teamkilled you.

But yes alot of the world is still dumb as ****

United States, Canada, and Europe have it best, I would say Russia but that's too cold during the winter.

*edit why is idi0t censored?*

Edited by NotoriousForce, 23 June 2012 - 11:30 PM.

[Morang]

I hate them. Their society looks psychopathic. To "prevent wars" they made war a basis of their society. Clans is a story of warmongers' success, their entire society ruled by warriors and all their effort and progress aimed at war. So what would they do in case of success of their invasion? Member of the IS nation can sometimes fall victim to war between Houses. But this is rare case after all, considering the mech-oriented warfare, the "Honors of War" revived in Third Succession War and the vast scale of the Inner Sphere in comparison to war theaters. And he is valid member of his society and he can enjoy his life (well, perhaps not so if he is Capellan or Draconian). Perhaps under the Clans non-warrior hardly risks being KIA at all. Clans possess advanced technology once lost by IS. But what's good in these "advancements" for non-warrior? He would live under constant occupation of the trueborn warrior caste, he would be considered inferior and all his efforts would be aimed by clan to produce military hardware, reducing his own needs and peaceful progress to bare minimum, so the warriors may "prevent barbaric wars" by constantly challenging each other.

Clans are the ******* offspring of the (sadly) typical Russian mindset of tyranny and militarism. The legacy of the mad Kerensky should be utterly and thoroughly eliminated.


P.S. Yes, there ARE societies inferior to others. I may go as far as to agree with clanners that there are inferior people (it's funny to hear pro-clanners calling for some tolerance when their own social structure is based on eugenics and idea of inherent superiority).

Edited by Morang, 23 June 2012 - 11:40 PM.

[Suicidal Idiot]

NotoriousForce, on 23 June 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

Your name...it just...
*edit why is idi0t censored?*

My buddies awarded the handle by acclaim (disdain) while playing Doom with them a long, long time ago. I would always go for the chainsaw, and sprint headlong into everything. They'd track me by the dead bodies (often my own).

Pretty sure idiöt is censored in a futile effort to keep the forua civil. Recent developments have proven that plan to be naught but a fleeting wisp of idealism.

Edited by Suicidal Idiot, 23 June 2012 - 11:58 PM.

[CCC Dober]

OP: Watch the Shogun series and learn. You really need to catch up.

[Jaroth Winson]

Feyd Rautha, on 23 June 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

There is no lack of civility in my post...nice try.

The fact that seems to escape you is, you posted this in the CLAN section........ nice try troll.

Morang, on 23 June 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

I hate them. Their society looks psychopathic. To "prevent wars" they made war a basis of their society. Clans is a story of warmongers' success, their entire society ruled by warriors and all their effort and progress aimed at war. So what would they do in case of success of their invasion? Member of the IS nation can sometimes fall victim to war between Houses. But this is rare case after all, considering the mech-oriented warfare, the "Honors of War" revived in Third Succession War and the vast scale of the Inner Sphere in comparison to war theaters. And he is valid member of his society and he can enjoy his life (well, perhaps not so if he is Capellan or Draconian). Perhaps under the Clans non-warrior hardly risks being KIA at all. Clans possess advanced technology once lost by IS. But what's good in these "advancements" for non-warrior? He would live under constant occupation of the trueborn warrior caste, he would be considered inferior and all his efforts would be aimed by clan to produce military hardware, reducing his own needs and peaceful progress to bare minimum, so the warriors may "prevent barbaric wars" by constantly challenging each other.

Clans are the ******* offspring of the (sadly) typical Russian mindset of tyranny and militarism. The legacy of the mad Kerensky should be utterly and thoroughly eliminated.


P.S. Yes, there ARE societies inferior to others. I may go as far as to agree with clanners that there are inferior people (it's funny to hear pro-clanners calling for some tolerance when their own social structure is based on eugenics and idea of inherent superiority).

it was never to "prevent war" simply change how wars are fought. I love the Clans for that. You can keep your Four Succession Wars, Kentares Massacre, Ares Convention that you all signed then abandoned all to yourselves & bomb the **** out of each other,.

NotoriousForce, on 23 June 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

so it is wrong for me to dislike North korea's Militaristic Dictatorship? You point only goes so far.

Could that be why I like it? I wonder why for all the huffing & puffing, America never put boots on the ground or shot a missile at it?

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 24 June 2012 - 01:11 AM.

[Suicidal Idiot]

Jaroth Winson, on 24 June 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

Could that be why I like it? I wonder why for all the huffing & puffing, America never put boots on the ground or shot a missile at it?

Excuse me, but did you just say you like North Korea?

And America did indeed put boots on the ground and shot plenty of missiles at it. We called it "The Korean War". The missiles weren't nuclear, but we sent lots of guided rockets at their troops and armor.

And North Korea is quite infamous as the most repressive regime in the world. The supreme leader of NK 김정일 (Kim Jong Il) just died, and many were executed for 'not showing sufficient grief'. One general who was so grieved that he got plastered drunk was just executed. By mortar.

So North Korea is off to a fine start as a despotic, repressive regime run by 김종운 (Kim Jong Un). If you do like it, I'll be more than happy to give you some tips on how to learn Korean, and a few things you should (and shouldn't) do when you arrive. Just PM me. As excellent as your English seems to be, I'm certain that you'll have no trouble getting approved for immigration.

You'll certainly be in the top 1% income bracket over there, and have no trouble getting ladies.

If you're into astronomy, you'll love North Korea. Below is a satellite picture of North and South Korea at night. That one tiny blob of light near the west coast is the capital, Pyongyang.

Have a great time! Annyong Hi Kaseyo!

[Carl Wrede]

CoffiNail, on 23 June 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Anyone dislike how the Sphereoid filth need to keep creating threads like this in our section? That they cannot be civil enough to the people who like and/or prefer Clan society to the Barbaric total war of the Houses?

*raises hand*

Anyone dislike how the bear cub filth need to keep creating threads in the FRR section? That they cannot be civil enough to the people who like and/or prefer FRR to the arrogance and racism of the Clans?

*raises hand*

Edited by Carl Wrede, 24 June 2012 - 03:14 AM.

[Pvt Dancer]

The clans can suck it.

[Jaroth Winson]

Suicidal *****, on 24 June 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Excuse me, but did you just say you like North Korea?

Yes I did because they oppose the US. You know those guys that bombed Hiroshima & Nagasaki & now portray moral hypocrisy by trying to dictate who can & who cannot have the same weapons they used that decimated a population, the effects of which still linger.

Maybe you should watch White Light/Black Rain: The Destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was an HBO special. You can check it out on their website.

You cannot shoot a gun then hold onto it & ask others to get rid of theirs. So again that was a YES.

[Alex Wolfe]

Down with the space communist human klingon racists.

I mean, sure, fine as a fantasy setting. But RP-wise, down.

[Toothman]

Definately. They mask cowardice with stupidity and they think children belong in cans. Now that last part may have a bit of merit but the rest makes them worthy of nothing but greasing the bottom of my mechs feet.

Jaroth Winson, on 24 June 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

Yes I did because they oppose the US. You know those guys that bombed Hiroshima & Nagasaki & now portray moral hypocrisy by trying to dictate who can & who cannot have the same weapons they used that decimated a population, the effects of which still linger.

Maybe you should watch White Light/Black Rain: The Destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was an HBO special. You can check it out on their website.

You cannot shoot a gun then hold onto it & ask others to get rid of theirs. So again that was a YES.

Actually you can. And its because of just that that you are alive today. So quit crying and grow a pair.

[CCC Dober]

Alex Wolfe, on 24 June 2012 - 05:56 AM, said:

Down with the space communist human klingon racists.

I mean, sure, fine as a fantasy setting. But RP-wise, down.

Space communists bwahahaha
I'm laughing so hard because of the amount of ignorance these 2 words convey.

Simplicity to the max, just brilliant. I commend you for the Homer award. Well done sir, well done

[Alex Wolfe]

CCC Dober, on 24 June 2012 - 06:04 AM, said:

Space communists bwahahaha
I'm laughing so hard because of the amount of ignorance these 2 words convey.

Simplicity to the max, just brilliant. I commend you for the Homer award. Well done sir, well done

You're making about as good of a case against those words with your post as I do for them; also - as you may have noticed from the tone of my post - I wasn't attempting to be neither serious nor wholly accurate. Parallels do exist though, such as consolidation of power, the state owning the means of production, purging the opposition etc. - and could be argued that ignoring them, not using an approximation, is what shows ignorance.

By the way, ever heard that "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit", "sir"?

Edited by Alex Wolfe, 24 June 2012 - 06:16 AM.

[Odanan]

Feyd Rautha, on 23 June 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

*Raises hand*

Any society ruled by men with guns is disgusting.

[CCC Dober]

Alex Wolfe, on 24 June 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

You're making about as good of a case against those words with your post as I do for them; also - as you may have noticed from the tone of my post - I wasn't attempting to be neither serious nor wholly accurate. Parallels do exist though, such as consolidation of power, the state owning the means of production, purging the opposition etc. - and could be argued that ignoring them, not using an approximation, is what shows ignorance.

By the way, ever heard that "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit", "sir"?

I agree on the 'lowest form', but not on wit. Otherwise you would have chosen better words or something more entertaining.
As for your arguments, I think neither the IS, nor the Clans did/are doing their citizens any favor. But the Clans have at least the decency to keep them out of the fight. It's easy to ignore important things like this when you try to find fault with them. And I think you did sir, no need to wiggle out of it.