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[Andi Nagasia]

i heard a lot of traffic lately about the Adder,
and mostly the adder genuinely under competitive,
and how many feel they are going extinct,

now, i know its going to come out tomorrow(10/72014)
so im sure Adders in all forms will be all over the place,
but after the hype, i feel they will die down and die off,


but just to compare, KitFox Vs Adder,
this is a base Comparison of KFX & ADR,

First the Base Omni-Mech Stat Compassion,
Stats,..............................KitFox,...........................Adder,
Mech Weight,.................30Tons,.........................35Tons,
Default Armor,................14Tons,.........................16Tons,
Free Weight,..................16Tons,.........................16Tons,
Speed,............................97Kph,..........................97Kph,

Omni-Mech Weapon Hard-Points Compassion,
Stats,......................KitFox,.....................................................Adder,
Set,.........P,.......... D,.......... S,........... C,........................P,........ A,....... B,
H,............(),......... (),.......... (),........... (),........................(),....... (),....... (),
CT,..........(),......... (),.......... (),........... (),,......................(F*),... (F*),... (F*),
RT,..........(),......... (),..... (1B, 1J),...... (),...................(1AMS),. (1E),.. (1M),
LT,...........(),......... (),..... (1B, 1J),...... (),........................(),..... (1E),.. (1M),
RA,.....(1B,1M),.. (2M),..... (2E),. (1ECM,3AMS,1E),....(1E),... (1M),.. (1B),
LA,........(2E),...... (2M),.. (1E,1M),..... (),......................(1E),.. (1M),.. (1E),
RL,..........(),......... (),.........(2J),......... (),.........................(),....... (),...... (),
LL,...........(),......... (),.........(2J),......... (),........................(),....... (),...... (),
(F*- Flamer)


so looking at the above information,
these below are the Possible Mech hard-point configurations,

the KitFox can run (3B 2E) (3B 2M) (2B 4E) (2B 4M), with-out C RA,
& with C RA, (1ECM 3ASM 3E 2B) (1ECM 3ASM 1E 2M 2B) (1ECM 3ASM 2E 1M 2B),

the Adder can run (2E 2M 1F*) (4E 1F*) (4M 1F*) (1B 3E 1F*) (1B 3M 1F*),
comparatively, less options from a mech without JJ or ECM,


so what do i propose?
giving the Adder a Head-Omni-Pod,with an Energy hard-point,
added as the ADR-Z Head-Omni-Pod, i feel this is what the Adder needs,
i feel this simple addition, would boost the adders performance greatly,
ADR 6 Flamer Troll build, 4LRM5+ERLL build, 5 MPL build,

the catch adding an extra slot in the head would remove a fixed armor point,
so make the ADR-Z H-omni-pod, have -20% head armor, and +10% energy cool-down,
(other Penalties, weapon cool-down, weapon range, weapon heat, could also work)


please note that ADR-Z's don't Exist in Lore, this would be a single New head Omni-pod,
but this i also feel would relax the problems with topics about removing the Adder flamer,

i love BattleTech Lore, but i do see lore as more Guidelines instead of actual Rules,
if we only ever followed Lore, then nothing new would come, only what we are used to,


thoughts, comment, concerns?
thanks,

P.S.- Adder released, lets see where it goes,
P.S.2- Adder renamed Bladder due to under preforming vs KFX,

Edit- Spelling,
Edit2- Lore feelings,
Edit3- Adder release,
Edit4- Stats Change,
Edit5- Poll Changed,

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 18 June 2015 - 05:41 PM.

[Egomane]

If you truly believe the Adder is a bad mech in the lore, as your poll suggests, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Nightshade24]

Not to interested in made up omnipods I'm afraid...

Maybe the adder B?

It has hardpoints that matches with all the other adders however it has a ballistic arm on the other arm then the D.
So we can have a dual ballistic adder.

[Andi Nagasia]

Egomane, on 07 October 2014 - 03:06 AM, said:

If you truly believe the Adder is a bad mech in the lore, as your poll suggests, you have no idea what you are talking about.

on account of my poll "No, it sucks in lore it should suck here", that's just playful banter,
personally i agree with alot of BT Lore, for example the Adders fixed Flamer,
however i do see lore as more Guidelines instead of actual Rules,
also i love Adders, was my favorite mech in MW3, ect...

what i meant in my comparison is that compared to the Adder, the Kitfox is much better,
there is not much an Adder can do, that a KitFox cant do, and Better,

in lore Adders dont have ECM or JJ, so those would be out as well,
my addition would be using lore to create a single new head Omni-pod,
this addition wont change the feel of the Adder merely add to its arsenal,
setting it out form the KitFox, and pulling it out from its shadow,

[Sagedabluemage]

im just waiting for them to fix flamers in general cuz thats what i see is the problem, other than that i pilot my adder all the time really it has its place but its just very niche.
its hardpoints arent bad really and its waay tougher than the kitfox.
(i love my mini Direwolf)

if anything add in another ballistic arm or torso mount omni.

[Kaeb Odellas]

If they replaced the fixed flamer mount with an energy hardpoint it will probably be okay.

[Pariah Devalis]

On the basis of loaded questions alone, I am not voting on that ridiculous poll. Make it unbiased or delete it.

[Andi Nagasia]

Pariah Devalis, on 21 December 2014 - 02:14 PM, said:

On the basis of loaded questions alone, I am not voting on that ridiculous poll. Make it unbiased or delete it.

the questions arnt loaded, if they seem as such i apologize,
i feel that this would be an interesting idea, if not i would not have posted it as such,
and on the count of the third poll choice, please see my post, 4 posts above this,

[Pariah Devalis]

I see your explanation, but it still emotionally loads the question, especially for those who don't know the mech was a solid TT mech. It puts a connotation of negativity in that possible answer.

So of your three questions:

"yes, good addition for a better Adder" and "yes, but with armor and cool-down Penalties" they seem fine, though I think a third option for armor and cool-down penalties only is warranted.

"No, it sucks in lore it should suck here," however, just loads it. Either "Yes, the mech sucks and needs help" or "no, the mech sucks, but it is supposed to suck." All comes across as the mech sucks (when it really, really does not). Was even using it in RHoD 4v4 extremely successfully, until the quirkening for firestarters.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 21 December 2014 - 02:39 PM.

[Andi Nagasia]

Pariah Devalis, on 21 December 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

I see your explanation, but it still emotionally loads the question, especially for those who don't know the mech was a solid TT mech. It puts a connotation of negativity in that possible answer.

So of your three questions:

"yes, good addition for a better Adder" and "yes, but with armor and cool-down Penalties" they seem fine, though I think a third option for armor and cool-down penalties only is warranted.

"No, it sucks in lore it should suck here," however, just loads it. Either "Yes, the mech sucks and needs help" or "no, the mech sucks, but it is supposed to suck." All comes across as the mech sucks (when it really, really does not). Was even using it in RHoD 4v4 extremely successfully, until the quirkening for firestarters.

i can respect that, and ill change the poll,
sorry if it seemed too Biased, that wasnt my intention,

[Mcgral18]

Kaeb Odellas, on 16 December 2014 - 10:37 PM, said:

If they replaced the fixed flamer mount with an energy hardpoint it will probably be okay.

It's already in the files....along with a PPC, for some reason.



Other ballistic arm too.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Mcgral18, on 08 January 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:

It's already in the files....along with a PPC, for some reason.



Other ballistic arm too.

Weird. A PPC couldn't even fit in that slot due to the fixed structure point.

[Mcgral18]

Kaeb Odellas, on 08 January 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

Weird. A PPC couldn't even fit in that slot due to the fixed structure point.

I know.

But, it's there. Same for the TimberWolf, but FF slot is in one of the CT slots. Hell, they have the LB10 and LB5 labelled in the CT.


It doesn't have to make sense if it looks pretty.

[Vermaxx]

Egomane, on 07 October 2014 - 03:06 AM, said:

If you truly believe the Adder is a bad mech in the lore, as your poll suggests, you have no idea what you are talking about.

There are only a handful of bad mechs in all of Battletech, so your statement is kind of superfluous while allowing you to sound like a heel. Besides, lore is irrelevant; you can't use lore or meta or average player skill as a form of balance and worth valuing. If the flamer were not completely useless I would agree that whining about the lost hardpoint and weight is just white noise. Even a non removable machine gun I could more easily support, but flamers are flat worthless.