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#1 xeromynd

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 10:34 AM

Hi all,

I finally purchased my first CTF, the Ilya, about a month ago because I tried it during the Mining Collective PTS and fell in love with my 3xLBX 2xML build.

Now I've purchased two of what I think to be the most useful Cataphracts, the 3D and the 2X.

Here are smurfy builds I've come up with for each one. Any critique would be greatly appreciated.

CTF-3D (Mid range)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5eed67b26c8a026

CTF-2X (Mid-Short range)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...54e81fdd5c3c4f0

Thanks!

-xeromynd

Edited by xeromynd, 15 October 2014 - 11:05 AM.


#2 Kodyn

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 10:54 AM

If you liked the shotguns on the Ilya, I'd highly recommend them on the 3D as well. Can't really give you much advice on the 2X, as i only leveled mine for the sake of my 3D, and I hated every minute of it.

For the 3D, I really enjoy dual LB, 4x ML, with an XL 300, 1-2 JJ, endo, DHS. With something like 105 rounds of ammo, and decent heat efficiency, makes it worthwhile to throw on the range and cooldown mods for the shotguns, then it really rips.

You'll find that there's quite a few different ways to load up a CTF, so you may just have to keep trying different combinations til you find your favorite. I tried everything i could think of on my 3D before settling with my build, UACs + ML, AC/5s + LPL, PPC + AC/5, Gauss + PPC, Gauss + ML, AC/10s + ML...all had their merits, but the LBs fit me best in the end, as my go-to build.

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 11:21 AM

Hi CTF are one of the best mech in this game, good choice over all.

But you should definitely take a look on 4x, he is slowest but best I think. 4xAC5 + 2xML beats all :D
Its like AC20 but with furious cadence and long range

And also they are very XL friendly, you should consider XL builds.

Edited by DrSlamastika, 15 October 2014 - 11:21 AM.


#4 Garonis Buhallin

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 11:53 AM

The 2X is precisely what I run.. it wrecks pretty hard

#5 xeromynd

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 01:07 PM

View PostDrSlamastika, on 15 October 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:

Hi CTF are one of the best mech in this game, good choice over all.

But you should definitely take a look on 4x, he is slowest but best I think. 4xAC5 + 2xML beats all :D
Its like AC20 but with furious cadence and long range

And also they are very XL friendly, you should consider XL builds.


The 4x is definitely what I have my eye on next, I really like that it CAN pull off the Quad AC5 build, whereas my JM6-S or DD either has to have paper armor, or minimal ammo to do so. I assume you have to run XL with this?

View PostGrymmbolt, on 15 October 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

The 2X is precisely what I run.. it wrecks pretty hard


Well that's certainly good to hear haha.

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 01:16 PM

I prefer a bit more speed personally on my Cataphracts (except the 4X which can only move slow). The builds I use are below one with XL the other with a big engine for speed.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...286410452749fed

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cafe70d43051a65

You might want to change the amount of jump jets on the 3D build I haven't changed it in a long time but I still like it.

#7 DrSlamastika

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 01:32 PM

View Postxeromynd, on 15 October 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:


The 4x is definitely what I have my eye on next, I really like that it CAN pull off the Quad AC5 build, whereas my JM6-S or DD either has to have paper armor, or minimal ammo to do so. I assume you have to run XL with this?



Sure all of my cataphracts have XL engine, If you want use full potential of phracts you need XL for best setups.
You will have a decent speed and enough ammo for a lot of DAKKKA :D


There are the stats (all with XL engines) I used to play more before stats reset ( but now is clan time ) :)
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Edited by DrSlamastika, 15 October 2014 - 01:40 PM.


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 06:33 AM

What are your oppinions on the default CTF-3D?

I got one a few days ago. Added DHS, Endo, maxed out the armour and added more ammo but I find that my damage output and survivability have gone down compared to when I run my HBK-4G / HBK-4P.

What gives? Is the default 3D just meh or do I need to change my playstyle?

Cheers.

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 06:41 AM

View Postxeromynd, on 15 October 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

Hi all,

I finally purchased my first CTF, the Ilya, about a month ago because I tried it during the Mining Collective PTS and fell in love with my 3xLBX 2xML build.

Now I've purchased two of what I think to be the most useful Cataphracts, the 3D and the 2X.

Here are smurfy builds I've come up with for each one. Any critique would be greatly appreciated.

CTF-3D (Mid range)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5eed67b26c8a026

CTF-2X (Mid-Short range)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...54e81fdd5c3c4f0

Thanks!

-xeromynd


never put ammo in the CT

#10 Mad Dog Morgan

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 06:41 AM

I like this particular build. My highest-damaging mech that I've run in 8v8.

CTF-2X

#11 xeromynd

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 07:56 AM

View Postknightsljx, on 20 October 2014 - 06:41 AM, said:


never put ammo in the CT


Always been curious, could you explain why?
My thought process is that (looking at the way I play) I'm confident I would get those 30 AC5 or 10 AC20 shots off before being cored in the CT, and crits cannot be destroyed uniess your armor is gone, no?

Edited by xeromynd, 20 October 2014 - 07:57 AM.


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 11:57 PM

View Postxeromynd, on 20 October 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

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My thought process is that (looking at the way I play) I'm confident I would get those 30 AC5 or 10 AC20 shots off before being cored in the CT, and crits cannot be destroyed uniess your armor is gone, no?


That's correct, if you use up the ammo before losing your CT armour you're generally good. However as I understand there are instances when internals can be damaged while the armour is still intact. Overriding shutdowns and ofcourse internal explosions in other parts will travel towards the CT.

Here is a nice article: http://www.qqmercs.com/?p=1415

Edited by Dagadegatto, 21 October 2014 - 11:04 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:07 PM

View PostDagadegatto, on 20 October 2014 - 06:33 AM, said:

What are your oppinions on the default CTF-3D?

I got one a few days ago. Added DHS, Endo, maxed out the armour and added more ammo but I find that my damage output and survivability have gone down compared to when I run my HBK-4G / HBK-4P.

What gives? Is the default 3D just meh or do I need to change my playstyle?

Cheers.


Yeah, stock mechs are generally kinda poopy. Keeping at least one jump jet, try going with:

AC10 + 2 PPC/LPL (XL engine, CAN work with standard but it's a tad clunkier)

AC20 + 4ML (std engine)

2x UAC5 + 4ML (std engine)

2x AC10s(or LBX) + 4 ML (XL engine)

2x Gauss + 2 ML (XL engine)

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 11:46 PM

View PostHaydin, on 22 October 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:


Yeah, stock mechs are generally kinda poopy. Keeping at least one jump jet, try going with:

AC10 + 2 PPC/LPL (XL engine, CAN work with standard but it's a tad clunkier)

AC20 + 4ML (std engine)

2x UAC5 + 4ML (std engine)

2x AC10s(or LBX) + 4 ML (XL engine)

2x Gauss + 2 ML (XL engine)


Thanks for the suggestions will try em out. Cheers!

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Posted 24 October 2014 - 09:45 AM

View PostHaydin, on 22 October 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:


Yeah, stock mechs are generally kinda poopy. Keeping at least one jump jet, try going with:

AC10 + 2 PPC/LPL (XL engine, CAN work with standard but it's a tad clunkier)

AC20 + 4ML (std engine)

2x UAC5 + 4ML (std engine)

2x AC10s(or LBX) + 4 ML (XL engine)

2x Gauss + 2 ML (XL engine)


The two gauss rifles and two ML make it a formidable opponent. I like to supplement my MLs with matching SLs, any change for an extra ton there or too much heat?

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Posted 24 October 2014 - 03:01 PM

Hi,

Your 2x is decent. I am just not a fan of SRM6 on that Cata. the missle port size is 4. I think you'd be better served with 3 Medium Lasers, and 2 SRM4 + Artemis, and the large caliber AC.

Leave the AC20s to either the 2x or 1x .. don't use it on a 3D... take advantage of the ballistic hard points better on the 3D


On the 3D. many many ways to go. You can do 2 LBx10's and 4 ML, or down engine it's size, and go 2 AC10s and 4 MLs. Even 2 UAC5s one LL and 3 ML is fun..It will even do a slow Dual Gauss.. but you need a xl 225 or xl255 to best pull that off.. but that leads to the next problem with the chassis...

The Cata is one of the worst mechs tho when it comes to being center cored. So NEVER run a XL engine, unless its a XL340 and you have the ability to stay as far back as you can.. say with a single Guass and 1 or 2 ERLL or something similar.... a far range striker..

But yes, the best Ilya is either 3 LBx10 or a 3 UAC5 build with a couple or a trio of medium lasers..

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 03:40 AM

Is there any consensus on what engine to run on the 3D? I am a few days away from purchasing one, sitting on 9M CBills right now. I was planning on running a dual gauss variant.

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 03:52 AM

A bit shorter range but you have all 3 weapons moving at the same velocity for a 30 point alpha.

CTF-3D

For dual gauss, you'll probably want a 280xl if you want lots of ammo

CTF-3D

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 03:58 AM

I just finished the basics on my 4X and it felt like a chore. I tried 4x AC5 for a while bu had better luck earning XP with 2 AC10 1 ERLL 1 LRM5, probably because with such a slow mech the LRM5 lets you reach out and collect some assists.





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