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[Nicholas Carlyle]

Livewyr, on 16 October 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

But at least it is not THREE timberwolves!


(Oh, and I fully plan on making a team of 3xGAR, 2xTBR/1xHBR, 3xSCR, and 2xKFX/1xMLX. It is going to happen, and it is going to be an 89kph stealth deathball.)

I still don't think people quite understand what having a 90kph Heavy Mech with the ability to mount ECM and a huge array of weapons means.

It's not like an Atlas, where once you know where it is, it's not really going to be adjusting position much.

A 90kph heavy masking 2 other alpha level 90 kph heavies, and 3 of the nastiest 90kph mediums, plus whatever else? The ability to reposition on a whim and choose when to engage while ECM covers you?

It's really just game breaking.

[KhanCipher]

Viktor Drake, on 16 October 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:

(Dire already has too much going for it)

Variants we will probably never see:
Dire Wolf S: Let's just give a 100t mech jump jets, i'm sure that'll work out. The only thing going for it is the side torso hardpoints which get crapped on because of "balance" that won't do jack to the best builds on the timber.

Dire Wolf C: Jump Jets, Missiles in the arms (like we ever really needed a clan verson of the scrublrum D-DC), and ECM. And i'll bet ya that the reason why they'll say they can't add it is the one-shot SSRM4 in the HD (when ATMs get added that is).

Livewyr, on 16 October 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

Think of it this way:
When the Hellbringer arrives, clans will have to choose between the TBR and the HBR.

ECM is not OP or anything, so clearly the choice is TBR... and you do not have to worry about the Hellbringer after everyone has mastered it.

except i was talking to someone about what clan mechs would be the most common in CW, and we agreed that the most common will be the Fast Ferret (3xSRM6 1 ERML), Stormbro (2xLPL 4xERML), MagicJesusBoxBringer (2xLPL 4xERML ECM), Timber God (2xLPL 4xERML), and a couple Whales (2xGauss 2xLPL 4xERML).

fun fact: with the 240t weight limit you can go with either "2 Fast Ferrets, 1 Stormbro (you can use a mad doge but i wouldn't recommend it), 1 Whale", "2 Fast Ferrets, 2 Timber Gods", and "2 Stormbros, 2 MagicJesusBoxBringers".

[Livewyr]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 16 October 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

I still don't think people quite understand what having a 90kph Heavy Mech with the ability to mount ECM and a huge array of weapons means.

It's not like an Atlas, where once you know where it is, it's not really going to be adjusting position much.

A 90kph heavy masking 2 other alpha level 90 kph heavies, and 3 of the nastiest 90kph mediums, plus whatever else? The ability to reposition on a whim and choose when to engage while ECM covers you?

It's really just game breaking.

The Hellbringer is far from being a very strong heavy. (It is like a SMN...without JJs.)

And if having light mechs blitzing around the battlefield at 150kph with ECM going to and fro has not broken the game, neither will the HBR.

[cSand]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 16 October 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

I still don't think people quite understand what having a 90kph Heavy Mech with the ability to mount ECM and a huge array of weapons means.

It's not like an Atlas, where once you know where it is, it's not really going to be adjusting position much.

A 90kph heavy masking 2 other alpha level 90 kph heavies, and 3 of the nastiest 90kph mediums, plus whatever else? The ability to reposition on a whim and choose when to engage while ECM covers you?

It's really just game breaking.

It will die beneath the feet of my QKD all the same

[Ryooshi]

Break the timeline give me the TDR-7SE.

[BlueCorsair]

I have to agree that an ECM Heavy will be a powerful tool. I have a 10 year old son who sometimes follows my Jager around with his ECM spider and some of the lances we took out by sneaking up behind with my dual Guass Jager really never knew what hit them.

[Triordinant]

Here's the bottom line: IS vs Clan is supposed to quantity vs quality. Clans have better tech, IS has greater numbers. The moment they decided IS vs Clan was going to be 12 vs 12, they had no choice but to make IS 'mechs and Clan 'mechs equal otherwise 80-90% of players will play Clan in CW meaning it wouldn't be worth playing at all since the winner has been decided before the war begins. Historically, IS forces outnumbered Clan forces to make up for their inferior tech, but if more than three fourths of the players play Clan then it's not going to work.

The only way to get players who aren't diehard IS loyalists to play IS is to give an all-IS team an even chance of defeating an all-Clan team in a 12 vs 12 match. Nothing else will do. As a result, PGI has to nerf the Clan 'mechs (which they have) and buff the IS 'mechs (something Quirks are supposed to do, but we'll see). ECM superiority is another possible IS buff, giving the IS more ECM 'mechs than the Clans. If the Clans get a heavy ECM 'mech that can fight alongside the Timberwolves and Madcats the IS needs something that can keep up with and fight alongside the Jagers, Cataphracts, Victors, etc. (something the D-DC, Spider 5D or Raven 3L can't do).

If we stuck to the original concept (Star vs Company or 10 vs 12, etc.) Clan 'mechs wouldn't have to be nerfed and IS 'mechs wouldn't have to be buffed (or at least not as much for either) and maybe more people would be happy.

Edited by Triordinant, 16 October 2014 - 12:39 PM.

[Ultimax]

IS Grasshopper with ECM for Clan assault with ECM.

Make it the Warhawk and we have a deal!

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Livewyr, on 16 October 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

The Hellbringer is far from being a very strong heavy. (It is like a SMN...without JJs.)

And if having light mechs blitzing around the battlefield at 150kph with ECM going to and fro has not broken the game, neither will the HBR.

Totally different situation, because GOOD pilots can kill a light mech with a single alpha. Let alone multiple good pilots.

The only times lights are an issue is when it's a bunch of derps.

And that's the problem with this game, it's full of freaking derps.

[Mystere]

Triordinant, on 16 October 2014 - 12:37 PM, said:

If we stuck to the original concept (Star vs Company or 10 vs 12, etc.) Clan 'mechs wouldn't have to be nerfed and IS 'mechs wouldn't have to be buffed (or at least not as much for either) and maybe more people would be happy.

But the ePeen ... ahem, I meant ... eSports crowd wanted nothing less than full 1-on-1 parity.

Edited by Mystere, 16 October 2014 - 12:46 PM.

[FupDup]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 16 October 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

...
And that's the problem with this game, it's full of freaking derps.

Steering wheels. Steering wheels everywhere.

[Triordinant]

Mystere, on 16 October 2014 - 12:45 PM, said:

But the ePeen ... ahem, I meant ... eSports crowd wanted nothing less than full 1-on-1 parity.

What they want and what's good for the game are opposite things.

[Mystere]

FupDup, on 16 October 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

Steering wheels. Steering wheels everywhere.

Pfft! At least mine is a Thrustmaster.



Although I'd rather be using this:



Except for the fact that it will just be wasted on this game.

Edited by Mystere, 16 October 2014 - 12:54 PM.

[KhanCipher]

FupDup, on 16 October 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

Steering wheels. Steering wheels everywhere.

Really, the LBX10 is good, it does extra critical damage!

[Mcgral18]

Livewyr, on 16 October 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

The Hellbringer is far from being a very strong heavy. (It is like a SMN...without JJs.)

And if having light mechs blitzing around the battlefield at 150kph with ECM going to and fro has not broken the game, neither will the HBR.

Except the Loki will have more than 5 hardpoints. And it has the pod space to use them.

25 tons when you strip an arm, with 13 hardwired DHS, compared to 21 of the Summoner.

That's on top of the Magic Jesus Box. Laser spam(which the summoner doesn't have hardpoints for), Big dakka, laserspam+missiles(which the summoner, again, doesn't have hardpoints for)


It will prove to be better than the 70 tonner, at 65 tons. Likely worse than the DoomCrow for the extra 10 tons, but it should be competitive.

Will it break the game? Probably not. Will it change a few things? That's more likely.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

I'm still waiting for the ECM Stalker to be added, and the ECM Firestarter.

[Metus regem]

Mcgral18, why would I run with out armour on an arm for a Hellbringer? It has less then average armour for it's weight, so a bunch of the pod space is going to assigned to armour. On top of that it is a clan mech, a good amount of the fire power will be in the arms...

Anyways I'm looks ng forward to getting my 3, so I can re-armour and re-arm them... LPL's for cERPPC's!

[Mystere]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 16 October 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

I'm still waiting for the ECM Stalker to be added, and the ECM Firestarter.

A mini Atlas D-DC with jump jets and high-speed? I don't think you fully realize what you are asking for.

Edited by Mystere, 16 October 2014 - 01:16 PM.

[Bront]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 16 October 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

HBR + TBR x 2 + SC x 3

Would be a roving death squad moving at 90kph and hard as hell to kill.

Good luck with that.

Don't forget 3 Gargoyles, as they go the same speed.

[DONTOR]

Belorion, on 16 October 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

Actually Black Knigh, and Cyclops are both candidates... maybe we will get an ECM package for the IS

HAHAHAHAahaaaa, oh my that was funny, yes I'm sure you will get an IS ECM mech pack lol.

I hope you were being as sarcastic as I was.