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[Zephonarch II]

I'm for it this, because I think the Clans are starting to look too good for the people who'll inject money into this game. But, I wanna see if anyone is in the same boat here.

[TygerLily]

Yea but IS got the 100 tonner with ECM. And even after Wave II, IS will have 5 ECM capable vs 2. PLUS, imo, the Hellbringer looks like it might have some CT problems like the Dragon does.

[DEMAX51]

I don't really think it's necessary. IS has way more ECM-capable variants already, including the Atlas-DDC. Giving the Clans a second 'Mech capable of ECM isn't going to break anything.

[Vanguard319]

As long as ECM is fixed so that it isn't absolutely necessary to carry to have a chance to win a match, I don't see why not.

[Koniving]

TygerLily, on 23 October 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

Yea but IS got the 100 tonner with ECM. And even after Wave II, IS will have 5 ECM capable vs 2. PLUS, imo, the Hellbringer looks like it might have some CT problems like the Dragon does.

Versus 3.

Kitfox, MystLynx and Hellbringer.

5 versus 3.

25 ton, 30 ton, 35 ton, 40 ton, 100 ton for IS currently.

25 ton, 30 ton, 65 ton for Clan currently.

Currently as in either already here or listed to come at the moment.

[Bront]

Koniving, on 23 October 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

Versus 3.

Kitfox, MystLynx and Hellbringer.

5 versus 3.

25 ton, 30 ton, 35 ton, 40 ton, 100 ton for IS currently.

25 ton, 30 ton, 65 ton for Clan currently.

Currently as in either already here or listed to come at the moment.

The IS could use a moderate speed ECM mech. The Atlas is nice, but being slow it's has issues. The Loki can stick with the Dire Wolves or run with the faster mechs, making it potentially a bit scarier. The IS could use something to counter that.

Or, they could just tweak ECM and then open up more mechs to carry it.

[TygerLily]

Koniving, on 23 October 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

Versus 3.

Kitfox, MystLynx and Hellbringer.

5 versus 3.

25 ton, 30 ton, 35 ton, 40 ton, 100 ton for IS currently.

25 ton, 30 ton, 65 ton for Clan currently.

Currently as in either already here or listed to come at the moment.

RIGHT! I forgot the Myst Lynx...good call.

[Koniving]

Bront, on 23 October 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

Or, they could just tweak ECM and then open up more mechs to carry it.

I like this option.
And lets face it... ECM isn't a must-have in Battletech. If anything it's a nicety that you can often do without. (BAP on the other hand is the most overpowered P.o.S. you can possibly get for 1.5 tons when it comes to Megamek and double-blind rules. You want a Jesus Box? Go with BAP! But then again, BAP can detect things that are not in your line of sight, for incredible ranges... when it actually succeeds in a roll. Thankfully that's rare, but it's similar to Seismic in MWO, except with a range of 1,000+ meters in all directions, no matter what is in between you.)

[Bront]

On a side note, is there an ECM model of the Ice Ferret that they might grab a part for? It would let the clans counter the faster IS lights with ECM.

Koniving, on 23 October 2014 - 01:08 PM, said:

I like this option.
And lets face it... ECM isn't a must-have in Battletech. If anything it's a nicety that you can often do without. (BAP on the other hand is the most overpowered P.o.S. you can possibly get for 1.5 tons when it comes to Megamek and double-blind rules. You want a Jesus Box? Go with BAP! But then again, BAP can detect things that are not in your line of sight, for incredible ranges... when it actually succeeds in a roll. Thankfully that's rare, but it's similar to Seismic in MWO, except with a range of 1,000+ meters in all directions, no matter what is in between you.)

This is why I play simple slug it out table top

[Koniving]

Bront, on 23 October 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

On a side note, is there an ECM model of the Ice Ferret that they might grab a part for? It would let the clans counter the faster IS lights with ECM.
This is why I play simple slug it out table top

Not that I could see.

BAP in use. Fun read.

[CarnageINC]

Then only IS heavy that could be introduced anytime soon (3052) would be the War Dog, and the problem with that chassis is lack of any variants.

The IS has plenty of chassis available for use, I don't see an issue at the moment.

[TygerLily]

I kind of wish the Dragon had ECM. Fits with the fast Heavy, adv party sort of thing...plus the CT drawback. I kind of feel like the Hellbringer has a Dragonesque CT which could be interesting!

[Molossian Dog]

With ECM as it works at the moment an even distribution through all the weigh classes is neccessary.

That being said, I would like the ECM to work differently than it does at the moment. But since players have been clamouring for that for some time and nothing came out of it, I guess we have to work with the current...erm...solution.

And in this context we need an ECM option in the 40-100 ton range.

Not neccessarily a heavy, though. Especially since the Wardog comes with its own problems. (lack of variants, rather late introduction date, goofy looks = all leg hitboxes and almost no CT hitbox)

Edited by Molossian Dog, 24 October 2014 - 02:05 AM.

[Mark Brandhauber]

I tend to disagree with my colleague on this one, the IS have fast or slow ecm and nothing in between, yes you can make medium/heavy speed cicada..... but it's really a bad idea.
With the hellbringer and it's 3 variants all capable of ecm, the myst lynx and it's 3 variants all capable of ecm and the kitfox and it's 3 variants all capable of ecm that's 9 to 5 ecm mechs in favour of the clans, who (the clans) in canon disapproved of ecm in the first place and the inner sphere was noted for using it.....
If anyone is looking to provide balance this nearly 2 to 1 imbalance should be considered.

Edited by Mark Brandhauber, 24 October 2014 - 01:50 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

the funny thing is - when you think about a Mech that could get boosted by ECM you imply that ECM is OP.

But ECM is not OP than the discussion about a ECM capable IS Heavy Mech is not necessary.

Before i want to see more ECM Mechs i want to see a working information warfare system with a ECM as one part of this pillar - instead of being the pillar itself.

[MadLibrarian]

IFF jammers please!



I do agree with OP though. More ECM mechs are a boon to the tactical aspect game. Since the Kitfox is the only clanner with ecm at the moment, running it without ecm is usually going to lead to more losses than wins.

Didn't they remove ECM from a bunch of IS mechs that would normally have it in BT? Let's just add that back to some of them when Wave 2 hits.

Edited by MadLibrarian, 24 October 2014 - 07:09 AM.

[Sigmar Sich]

Grasshopper probably will be ECM-able.
"Originally intended as a stealthy hunter-killer of light and medium 'Mechs for the SLDF, the Grasshopper entered service in 2780" (c) Sarna
And TRO says about covert ops.
I guess thats reason enough (i guess you noticed, for ECM capability in MWO mech doesn't need one in TT)

UPD Though Resistance page says it will be not EMC-able. Well, no tears from me. But seemed like best candidate..

Edited by Sigmar Sich, 23 December 2014 - 12:07 PM.

[Nightmare1]

Yes, let it be the TDR Hero!

[Zephonarch II]

This is just what I think PGI will think of me, if this puts too much of an imbalance in the game. Because the IS has a lot of ECM mechs right now. It had good intent. Yet if things do imbalance the game, they may just blame someone like me, trace the idea and... well... go Predator on me. "THEY'LL GET YOU TOO "BACK-UP!" Watch out for PGI...

Edited by Zephonarch II, 05 January 2015 - 06:11 PM.

[HlynkaCG]

I voted no as I do not feel it is neccesary and no specific mech was suggested.

That said I do think that GRF-2N (Star League era Griffin w/ ECM) should added to the game.