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#3641 Odanan

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 05:15 AM

View PostSgtMagor, on 20 May 2013 - 03:59 AM, said:


if there is 2 assaults scheduled for release according to the poll, where does the Banshee fit in this. I assume the Devastator is for July.


???

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 02:15 PM

View PostLonestar1771, on 19 May 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:


"sorry for the 6 month delay.... traffic" Posted Image




*all f****** fingers crossed!!!!*

#3643 Maverick01

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:47 PM

If the developers added C3 (small chance), the Mauler could be added. According to the source
below, there are 3 variants in 3050:

Mauler MAL-1R
Mauler MAL-2RC
Mauler MAL-3R-UK

http://www.ebt.trueb...C&letter=M&key=

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Edited by Maverick01, 20 May 2013 - 03:58 PM.


#3644 Strum Wealh

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:35 PM

View PostMaverick01, on 20 May 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

If the developers added C3 (small chance), the Mauler could be added. According to the source
below, there are 3 variants in 3050:

Mauler MAL-1R
Mauler MAL-2RC
Mauler MAL-3R-UK

http://www.ebt.trueb...C&letter=M&key=

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The non-Hero variants only count if they come from this list, or from one of the official TRO or Record Sheet books ;)

The Master Unit List ("MUL") is run by Catalyst Game Labs ("CGL"), the current rights holders to BattleTech - so no 'Mech or item is official until they say so.

EBT, on the other hand, is a fan project, and includes units (that is, 'Mechs) and items that have been actively labeled non-canon (and, therefore, "does not count" as far as MWO is currently concerned) by CGL (such as anything from Mechforce UK).
As such, being on EBT does not make a given 'Mech/variant valid for MWO.

Edited by Strum Wealh, 20 May 2013 - 04:41 PM.


#3645 Scrawny Cowboy

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 06:59 PM

Hmm...
...hmmm...
...hmMMMmm...

I say it will be the Banshee. Victor would be a disappointment and Zeus just as well.

King Crab would be nice.
It would be a surprise.
...okay, honestly it would be a big surprise. Still a nice big surprise altogether.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:32 PM

This is a cool picture...

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#3647 Butane9000

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:33 PM

I wonder if they'll make the announcement tomorrow or wait till Wednesday.... this is really starting to get to me as much as waiting for the Blackjack is....

View PostMaverick01, on 20 May 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

This is a cool picture...

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It's done by Shimmeringsword. I've played with him and he's a cool dude.

Edited by Butane9000, 20 May 2013 - 08:34 PM.


#3648 SgtMagor

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 05:37 AM

if a MAD pops up some how, I know the next Hero mechPosted Image

#3649 Strum Wealh

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:23 AM

View PostSgtMagor, on 21 May 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

if a MAD pops up some how, I know the next Hero mechPosted Image

And what a glorious day that would be! :)

But, which hero...?
The Bounty Hunter?
Andrew Redburn?
Sheridan Douglas?
David Rowsch?
Ron Dexter?
Natasha Kerensky?

#3650 HAV0C

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:52 PM

For a hero Marauder, don't forget Grayson Carlyle. He piloted a Marauder for a large portion of his career.

http://www.sarna.net...Grayson_Carlyle

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#3651 Odanan

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:37 PM

So many options...

BTW, tomorrow!!!!!

#3652 Lonestar1771

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:04 PM

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yes I'm recycling pics because there aren't a whole lot of good Zeus!!™ pics to choose from.

Edited by Lonestar1771, 21 May 2013 - 02:05 PM.


#3653 SgtMagor

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:15 PM

View PostHAV0C, on 21 May 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

For a hero Marauder, don't forget Grayson Carlyle. He piloted a Marauder for a large portion of his career.

http://www.sarna.net...Grayson_Carlyle

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is it just me or is Owen Wilson aka Grayson CarlylePosted ImagePosted Image

#3654 Butane9000

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 04:01 PM

Tomorrow.... the suspense is killing me.... (also boredom at work is killing me).

#3655 Strum Wealh

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 04:06 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 18 May 2013 - 03:28 AM, said:


Agree on the Lights. But think we could also add the Mongoose
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And the Vulcan is as agile, and more interesting (IMO) than the Clint (which is also an essentially extinct mech, produced by no one in hundreds of years) and the Assassin is MORE agile. Totally agree with the Dervish.
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Heavies are the category that seems to dry up on truly interesting designs fastest. Unseen issues and all. Mediums are similar boat.

And pretty much agree on the Assaults, although, I have "saved" Alex the Cyclops trouble..... ;)
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nope.. no shameless self promotion here...... :huh:


A decade as a Rabid Fox might have colored my thinking.... and the absolute idiocy of Nondi Steiner.

So, to backtrack a bit...

While TRO 3050U does indicate that the Clint didn't go back into active mass-production until 3055, that the Clint has an entry in each previous TRO (including pages 38-39 of the original TRO 3025) would imply that it is extremely common and/or extremely easy to salvage and repair. :D

As for some potential Heavies...
  • Black Knight (75 tons): BK-6-KNT, BK-7-KNT, and BK-7-KNT-L
  • Champion (60 tons): CHP-1N, CHP-1N2, and CHP-2N
  • Grasshopper (70 tons): GHR-4R, GHR-5H, GHR-5N, and GHR-5J
  • Guillotine (70 tons): GLT-3N, GLT-4L, GLT-4P, and GLT-5M
  • Lancelot (60 tons): LNC25-01, LNC25-05, LNC25-02, LNC25-03
  • Quickdraw (60 tons): QKD-4G, QKD-4H, QKD-5A, and QKD-5K
Everything else is Unseen, Clan, a quad, doesn't have enough timeline-fitting variants, or has variants that have not-yet-recovered-or-implemented tech (e.g. NullSig, CLPS, one-shot missile weapons, etc).

The issue with the Black Knight is that all of the variants have the same minimum hardpoint requirements and have enough weapons (8E, for each) that options with regard to adding additional hardpoints become rather limited.
This issue was previously discussed explained here and here.

Likewise, all of the Champion variants also have the same minimum hardpoint requirements (4E, 1B, 1M).
While the Champion is pushing the implied limit for the Heavy category (most of which have only 6-8 hardpoints), the number is low enough - and the Champion has each hardpoint type represented - that it is more flexible in this regard than, say, the Black Knight.

The Grasshopper variants have varying minimum hardpoint requirements (6E for the GHR-5N, 5E + 1M for the GHR-5J and GHR-5H), while still (like, say, the Champion) having few enough hardpoints to be somewhat flexible with regard to hardpoint inflation.

The Guillotine, like the Black Knight, has the issue of the variants being homogeneous - all of them require a minimum of 5E + 1M in the same location arrangement. However, as with the similarly-armed and same-mass Grasshopper, there are few enough minimum hardpoints to allow for some flexibility with regard to extras.

The Lancelot, in contrast to the other Heavy 'Mechs listed, possesses more variety across its variants - two of them (LNC25-01 and LNC25-02) are energy boats with a minimum of 4E hardpoints, one of them (LNC25-03) has a minimum hardpoint requirement of 2E + 2B, and the last one (LNC25-05) has a minimum hardpoint requirement of 3E + 4B.
The Lancelot is also notable for being particularly fast, coming stock with a 360-rated Engine (LNC25-01 and LNC25-05) or a 300-rated Engine (LNC25-03), though one variant (LNC25-02) moves only at average Heavy 'Mech speeds.

The Quickdraw suffers from variant homogeneity with regard to minimum required hardpoint numbers and placement, but still has few enough (typically six) to allow for some flexibility.

Of note is that the Grasshopper and Guillotine and Quickdraw are jump-capable, while the Black Knight and Champion and Lancelot are not.

Thoughts?

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:52 PM

View PostButane9000, on 21 May 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

Tomorrow.... the suspense is killing me.... (also boredom at work is killing me).


PGI, BattleMech 20 better be announced tomorrow or you might have a MUTINY on your hands!

Hope we see...
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Edited by Maverick01, 21 May 2013 - 08:00 PM.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:38 PM

IMMA BALLISTIC JUNKIE
I MUST HAVE MY KING CRAB!

IF I AM DENIED MY MECH I SHALL TAKE DRASTIC MEASURES

Though the only idea that comes to mind is going to the beach and taping 12 gauge shells to a crab. Hopefully the lil ****** can figure the rest out on his own...

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 05:51 AM

Ermagherd! Grme ma mek NAO!

#3659 SgtMagor

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 06:18 AM

waiting....

Edited by SgtMagor, 22 May 2013 - 06:20 AM.


#3660 Belorion

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 07:06 AM

I can't help but feeling that no matter what the announcement the end result will be somewhat anti climatic after all the months of waiting.

Today is the day though... if its not today *pshhh*





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