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[Ens]

Karl Streiger, on 24 November 2014 - 06:05 AM, said:

I would be curious about the paint crime the artists will create with a name like Leonidas.

You´re not thinking in THIS direction, do you!?

[Karl Streiger]

Ens, on 24 November 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

You´re not thinking in THIS direction, do you!?

I fear I do.... and considering the usage of red - for the Skye Rangers..... you can be sure its a fact

[Logan Hawke]

Ens, on 24 November 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

You´re not thinking in THIS direction, do you!?

Not enough bulge for a Zues.

[Odanan]

Karl Streiger, on 24 November 2014 - 06:05 AM, said:

Maybe too simple - although the Mech could easy be made by the Zeus-6S - I would be curious about the paint crime the artists will create with a name like Leonidas.

Leonidas is perfect for a hero Zeus.

And a Greek pattern would be something refreshing for the painting.

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[Odanan]

So:

• Zeus = Leonidas (Gauss Rifle in the left arm: to spice things a bit, could have AC/20 capability) Skokomish (native North-American themed hero rules!).
  
• Grasshopper = "Iron Jarl" (suggested name for the Tor Miraborg's mech) or Red by Night, both described here (unfortunately, can't be the Gravedigger - much later in the timeline)
  
• Enforcer = "Fox's Teeth" or something related (Fox's Teeth is actually the name of the company) - this is the Enforcer Daniel, with a Gauss Rifle in one arm and medium lasers in the other. Translated into the game, it could have more than one ballistic hardpoint in the right arm and AC/20 capability.
  
• Panther = Katana Kat (I hope for a very traditional Japanese painting pattern)

These mechs should be released just before the pre-order delivery (a week is enough), for maximum monetizing (both for the heroes and the Resistance pack).


EDIT: thanks, Strum.

Edited by Odanan, 24 November 2014 - 09:38 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Zeus = roman

Hey how about hercules? its a offspring of him.

classic base variant

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upgraded with Endo steel

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or more hairy - if you get ferror fibrous?

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Edited by Lily from animove, 24 November 2014 - 08:04 AM.

[Odanan]

Lily from animove, on 24 November 2014 - 08:01 AM, said:

Zeus = roman

Hey how about hercules? its a offspring of him.

OK, Zeus = the Roman name of the Greek Jupiter. ;P

And Leonidas is definitely Greek.

(Hercules is well thought, but I see no point in creating a new hero if there is a canonical possibility)

PS: LOL for the images.

Edited by Odanan, 24 November 2014 - 08:10 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Odanan, on 24 November 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

OK, Zeus = the Roman name of the Greek Jupiter. ;P

And Leonidas is definitely Greek.

(Hercules is well thought, but I see no point in creating a new hero if there is a canonical possibility)

PS: LOL for the images.

Wait, isn't that backwards? Zeus is Greek, Jupiter is Roman......

[Odanan]

cdlord, on 24 November 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

Wait, isn't that backwards? Zeus is Greek, Jupiter is Roman......

Oops! It is.

[Bishop Steiner]

Odanan, on 24 November 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

OK, Zeus = the Roman name of the Greek Jupiter. ;P

And Leonidas is definitely Greek.

(Hercules is well thought, but I see no point in creating a new hero if there is a canonical possibility)

PS: LOL for the images.

also, it should be Heracles, please. Bloody Romans, butchering every name and idea they stole!

[CDLord HHGD]

Odanan, on 24 November 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

Oops! It is.

Yay! Score 1 for the ignorant American! (LOL not really, just making fun of the stereotype).

[Strum Wealh]

Zeus (Leonaidas)
"Date Introduced: 3056"
"Unit Role: Sniper"

From Sarna: "It carried an Artemis IV enhanced LRM-20 and a Gauss Rifle (each with two tons of ammunition) in place of the PPC and LRM-15. The rest of the weapons remained the same. It also carried an extra heat sink, bringing the total to twelve. To make room for this equipment the Leonidas used an XL Engine."

Additionally, the known hardpoints for the Leonaidas' Zeus mean that its loadout could be easily mirrored to those of the ZEU-5S & ZEU-6S.

IMO, PGI could do better with the Skokomish, piloted by MechWarrior Sealth & featured on page 160 of TRO 3039:
"After his homeworld of Zavijava was attacked, Sealth left a conclave of people all descended from Native North Americans to join the Tenth Skye Rangers to help defend his people. An amazingly graceful MechWarrior, Sealth could move his Zeus as if it were a ’Mech half its weight, making it a difficult target. In the Fourth Succession War he would flank formations, hitting and dodging. While the enemy was distracted by him, the rest of his unit would hit the enemy head on. After the fighting ended, Sealth retired back to Zavijava, taking his forest-green Zeus, Skokomish, with him."

Since the loadout of the Skokomish is not described, PGI could exercise their creative license in setting up a truly unique hardpoint & equipment configuration, while still ultimately using a canonical source.

EDIT:
For further background" "Sealth" is one of the alternate forms of the name of Chief Seattle, and "Skokomish" is the name of a Native American tribe as well as one of the peoples that make up said tribe.

Edited by Strum Wealh, 24 November 2014 - 05:48 PM.

[Odanan]

Strum Wealh, on 24 November 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

Zeus (Leonaidas)
"Date Introduced: 3056"
"Unit Role: Sniper"

From Sarna: "It carried an Artemis IV enhanced LRM-20 and a Gauss Rifle (each with two tons of ammunition) in place of the PPC and LRM-15. The rest of the weapons remained the same. It also carried an extra heat sink, bringing the total to twelve. To make room for this equipment the Leonidas used an XL Engine."

Additionally, the known hardpoints for the Leonaidas' Zeus mean that its loadout could be easily mirrored to those of the ZEU-5S & ZEU-6S.

IMP, PGI could do better with the Skokomish, piloted by MechWarrior Sealth & featured on page 160 of TRO 3039:
"After his homeworld of Zavijava was attacked, Sealth left a conclave of people all descended from Native North Americans to join the Tenth Skye Rangers to help defend his people. An amazingly graceful MechWarrior, Sealth could move his Zeus as if it were a ’Mech half its weight, making it a difficult target. In the Fourth Succession War he would flank formations, hitting and dodging. While the enemy was distracted by him, the rest of his unit would hit the enemy head on. After the fighting ended, Sealth retired back to Zavijava, taking his forest-green Zeus, Skokomish, with him."

Since the loadout of the Skokomish is not described, PGI could exercise their creative license in setting up a truly unique hardpoint & equipment configuration, while still ultimately using a canonical source.

EDIT:
For further background" "Sealth" is one of the alternate forms of the name of Chief Seattle, and "Skokomish" is the name of a Native American tribe as well as one of the peoples that make up said tribe.

Cool!
OK, so much for the Leonidas.

(and what this thread would be without you, Strum...)

Edited by Odanan, 24 November 2014 - 09:22 AM.

[Strum Wealh]

Also, for a Hero Grasshopper, there's the personal 'Mech of Tor Miraborg (as listed on page 150 of TRO 3039).
"In charge of many of the small unit operations ordered to hunt down the ronin resistance groups fighting throughout the Free Rasalhague Republic, Tor and his Grasshopper not only led the attacks, but also served as the rear guard when retreating. Tor has been injured twice in combat, suffering light wounds when witnesses thought he should have been killed. The Överste-Löjtnant credits his well-designed Grasshopper for his survival."

There is also the long-lived "Red by Night", listed on the same page of the same book.
"Henten was the officer in charge of the Marik raiding force that attacked Bryant’s Lantren Corporation in 2843 and damaged the factory’s protective domes, which had been constructed after the planet’s Star League-era Storm Inhibitors were destroyed. Force Commander Henten filled several cargo transports with Grasshopper spare parts for his personal machine, the 'Red by Night'. Now piloted by a distant descendant, the Red by Night still draws from this cache of spare parts and is in pristine condition."

[CDLord HHGD]

Strum Wealh, on 24 November 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

Also, for a Hero Grasshopper, there's the personal 'Mech of Tor Miraborg (as listed on page 150 of TRO 3039).
"In charge of many of the small unit operations ordered to hunt down the ronin resistance groups fighting throughout the Free Rasalhague Republic, Tor and his Grasshopper not only led the attacks, but also served as the rear guard when retreating. Tor has been injured twice in combat, suffering light wounds when witnesses thought he should have been killed. The Överste-Löjtnant credits his well-designed Grasshopper for his survival."

There is also the long-lived "Red by Night", listed on the same page of the same book.
"Henten was the officer in charge of the Marik raiding force that attacked Bryant’s Lantren Corporation in 2843 and damaged the factory’s protective domes, which had been constructed after the planet’s Star League-era Storm Inhibitors were destroyed. Force Commander Henten filled several cargo transports with Grasshopper spare parts for his personal machine, the 'Red by Night'. Now piloted by a distant descendant, the Red by Night still draws from this cache of spare parts and is in pristine condition."

Wasn't Tor Mirabord wheelchair-bound with a huge scar down his face though?

[Strum Wealh]

cdlord, on 24 November 2014 - 09:49 AM, said:

Wasn't Tor Mirabord wheelchair-bound with a huge scar down his face though?

That was after the second time he had to eject.
Still, the man is a national hero to the FRR...

[BarHaid]

Odanan, on 24 November 2014 - 04:07 AM, said:

Wrapping things up, the next heroes:

Thunderbolt: the Toujours L'Audance, piloted by John MacAllister, Eridani Light Horses, with "napoleonic" painting pattern; or the Wild One, piloted by Clare Sarton, House Liao's Seventh St. Ives Armored Cavalry, with mobility quirks. Both are "cavalry" Thunderbolts - so larger maximum engine would be nice.

Wolverine: unknown name, piloted by Salome Ward, Kell Hounds, close range brawler.

Pulled up another possibility for the Wolvie hero from an older TRO3025 edition:

"MechWarrior Lib Argust
Pilot of a Wolverine in Norman's Recon Lance, Dinsdale's Battalion, 4th Tau Ceti Rangers of House Liao, Argust is a likable individual, whose Wolverine bears numerous battle honors. She is also an excellent athlete, especially skilled at rudder-bat and basketball. Her competitive nature is well suited to Mech combat, making her a first rate recon pilot, with a never-say-die attitude."

Give it a big engine and some recon quirks, and see what that gets us.

[Ovion]

Because... bored...
List of all mechs we have (mostly lifted from Smurfy with upcoming releases added):

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InnerSphere
20t - LOCUST (with 6 variants)
25t - COMMANDO (with 5 variants)
30t - SPIDER (with 5 variants)
35t - FIRESTARTER (with 6 variants)
35t - JENNER (with 6 variants)
35t - PANTHER (with 3 variants)
35t - RAVEN (with 4 variants)
Clan
25t - MIST LYNX (with 3 variants)
30t - KIT FOX (with 3 variants)
35t - ADDER (with 3 variants)

InnerSphere
40t - CICADA (with 6 variants)
45t - BLACKJACK (with 6 variants)
45t - VINDICATOR (with 4 variants)
50t - CENTURION (with 6 variants)
50t - ENFORCER (with 3 variants)
50t - HUNCHBACK (with 7 variants)
50t - TREBUCHET (with 7 variants)
55t - GRIFFIN (with 4 variants)
55t - KINTARO (with 5 variants)
55t - SHADOW HAWK (with 7 variants)
55t - WOLVERINE (with 3 variants)
Clan
45t - ICE FERRET (with 3 variants)
50t - NOVA (with 3 variants)
55t - STORMCROW (with 3 variants)

InnerSphere
60t - DRAGON (with 6 variants)
60t - QUICKDRAW (with 5 variants)
65t - CATAPULT (with 6 variants)
65t - JAGERMECH (with 4 variants)
65t - THUNDERBOLT (with 5 variants)
70t - CATAPHRACT (with 6 variants)
70t - GRASSHOPPER (with 3 variants)
75t - ORION (with 6 variants)
Clan
60t - MAD DOG (with 3 variants)
65t - HELLBRINGER (with 3 variants)
70t - SUMMONER (with 3 variants)
75t - TIMBER WOLF (with 3 variants)

InnerSphere
80t - AWESOME (with 6 variants)
80t - VICTOR (with 5 variants)
80t - ZEUS (with 3 variants)
85t - BATTLEMASTER (with 6 variants)
85t - STALKER (with 7 variants)
90t - HIGHLANDER (with 6 variants)
95t - BANSHEE (with 4 variants)
100t - ATLAS (with 7 variants)
100t - KING CRAB (with 3-5 variants)
Clan
80t - GARGOYLE (with 3 variants)
85t - WARHAWK (with 3 variants)
100t - DIRE WOLF (with 3 variants)

And everything without hero variants:

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InnerSphere
35t - PANTHER (with 3 variants)
Clan
25t - MIST LYNX (with 3 variants)
30t - KIT FOX (with 3 variants)
35t - ADDER (with 3 variants)

InnerSphere
50t - ENFORCER (with 3 variants)
55t - WOLVERINE (with 3 variants)
Clan
45t - ICE FERRET (with 3 variants)
50t - NOVA (with 3 variants)
55t - STORMCROW (with 3 variants)

InnerSphere
65t - THUNDERBOLT (with 5 variants)
70t - GRASSHOPPER (with 3 variants)
Clan
60t - MAD DOG (with 3 variants)
65t - HELLBRINGER (with 3 variants)
70t - SUMMONER (with 3 variants)
75t - TIMBER WOLF (with 3 variants)

InnerSphere
80t - ZEUS (with 3 variants)
Clan
80t - GARGOYLE (with 3 variants)
85t - WARHAWK (with 3 variants)
100t - DIRE WOLF (with 3 variants)

Honourable mention - 100t - KING CRAB (with 3-5 variants) as we don't know if we'll be gettting a hero + 3 variants with the special reward mech being like an '(I)/(P)/(F)/®' variant, a hero + 3 variants with the special reward mech being a unique 5th variant, or 3 variants with the special reward mech being like an '(I)/(P)/(F)/®' variant

I'm still reasonably curious as to how the Clan hero mechs will actually work too.

Though I just thought of one in addition to the previous ideas...

What if Clan Heroes have 'special' Omnipods, that you can place another over, replacing it with the other mechs pods, but not allowing you to use the hero-pods on normal variants?

[Odanan]

Ovion, on 24 November 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

What if Clan Heroes have 'special' Omnipods, that you can place another over, replacing it with the other mechs pods, but not allowing you to use the hero-pods on normal variants?

That would be a seller.

(and would make Widowmaker desirable: energy hardpoints in center torso and head)

[Cimarb]

Most likely, the "hero mech" would just be the center torso, just like the Invasion mechs. The omnipods would not matter all that much, as all of the bonuses, camo, etc, are tied to the CT.

The only thing I am curious about is how much special geo the omnipods will have, since they are going to take the camo of whatever the CT is. That means we will be able to put pretty much any camo on them, so I doubt there will be much special geo, unfortunately.