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[TheSilken]

Can you please get me a list of the parts Chiron? Show me the water cooled version and the air cooled version

[Chiron]

On it.

[Chiron]

Here's the air build. Stronger PSU, OC ready mobo, and some thermal paste. The combo discounts are being a pain in the ass, and keep un-combo-ing. Make sure you get a combo discount for:
1) the thermal paste & the CPU cooler
2) the PSU and the ram
3)windows 8.1 & the GPU

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($212.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Antec Formula 7 Nano Diamond 4g Thermal Paste ($9.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PERFORMANCE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax Vortex ATX Mid Tower Case ($36.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Rosewill 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $860.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-01 20:50 EST-0500

[Chiron]

Water.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($212.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Antec Formula 7 Nano Diamond 4g Thermal Paste ($9.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PERFORMANCE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake Commander G42 ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Rosewill 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $951.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-01 21:04 EST-0500

Enjoy!

[TheSilken]

Where's the second hard drive for storage?

[Roaxis Stalomainis]

DV McKenna, on 01 January 2015 - 01:18 PM, said:

Ignore this post about AMD, it has been demonstrated in this forum a million times over AMD CPU's do not play this game as well as Intel due to architecture differences so the bang for buck ratio for AMD does not hold true here at this time.

Agreed, Intel performs far better than AMD for MWO (being a past AMD user).

[Lord Letto]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($30.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 12g Thermal Paste ($13.65 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $864.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-01 22:46 EST-0500

[Chiron]

TheSilkenPimp, on 01 January 2015 - 06:34 PM, said:

Where's the second hard drive for storage?

Honestly, this is the least important thing, IMO. I usually just pull an old HDD from an old rig. Traditional hard drive technology has changed very little in the last decade, and anything big enough to hold your stuff will work. I didn't see any amazing deals out there right now, so if I were you, I'd wait for something nice to roll around in the next few months.

If you can't find anything, lemme know, I probably have a spare HDD in the 250-500gb range you can have.

[TheSilken]

Ahh so I could just wipe the old PC's hard drive and then plug it in. M'kay

Edit: Thanks for the offer on the drive but you might end up needing it man.

Edited by TheSilkenPimp, 01 January 2015 - 07:54 PM.

[xWiredx]

Just me being a little picky, but I'd suggest MX-4 over Arctic Silver any day. 2 reasons: it's not conductive and it performs way better. It might be a few dollars more, but I think if you're gonna go with a K-series Intel chip with the intent to overclock, it's something you should strongly consider.

Also, I would never touch a Rosewill PSU. Not ever.

[Goose]

Yeah, about that: http://www.hardwares...ber-2011/1445/5

http://www.tomshardw...rk,3616-21.html

http://www.maximumpc...s_face?page=0,1

[Flapdrol]

xWiredx, on 01 January 2015 - 08:16 PM, said:

Also, I would never touch a Rosewill PSU. Not ever.

Could stick with the 550W corsair. It was already overkill.

[xWiredx]

Goose, on 01 January 2015 - 11:01 PM, said:

Yeah, about that: http://www.hardwares...ber-2011/1445/5

http://www.tomshardw...rk,3616-21.html

http://www.maximumpc...s_face?page=0,1

3 sources I don't trust because all of their testing methodologies seem to be stuck in 1995 and have an awful habit of skewing things based on their own opinions. Nice.

The Tom's Hardware review, aged as it is, still shows MX-4 performing way better, too. And them saying AS5 isn't conductive... tell that to the handful of noob system builders back in the day that shorted things with it. They may have reformulated it, but they've never advertised it as such. Considering that stigma and the worse performance (typically around 1c) than MX-4, I see no reason to use it instead. 1c is 1.8f, most people will say its inconsequential. Another thing to consider that the average Joe won't, and I had forgotten to mention, is the cure time. MX-4 pretty much doesn't need cure time, while most other pastes do for proper performance.

I'll spend the extra dollar or whatever.

[Chiron]

For the OP, as a first time OC'er, what would be an EASY TO USE paste? 1-2* C will not make or break his rig, so what's a very user friendly paste?

[TheSilken]

I'm noticing that the price is nudging further away from my budget. Is it possible to condense it? Sorry if this is a step backwards. If possible a $899 water cooled OC'd rig would be perfect.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Also an MX4 user use the dab in the middle and allow the pressure of the cooler to spread it out.

[xWiredx]

While this article is somewhat dated, it does a pretty decent job at covering application methods. I wouldn't bother too much with the results since they are over 4 years old. Technology, even thermal compound formulation, has advanced since then.

http://archive.bench...=1&limitstart=2

From my personal experience, Shin Etsu stuff has been the easiest to work with, MX-4 and MX-3 a close 2nd place.

Edited by xWiredx, 02 January 2015 - 07:07 AM.

[Flapdrol]

TheSilkenPimp, on 02 January 2015 - 07:01 AM, said:

I'm noticing that the price is nudging further away from my budget. Is it possible to condense it? Sorry if this is a step backwards. If possible a $899 water cooled OC'd rig would be perfect.

Overclocking adds to the price, and watercooling adds more (for only a small bit of extra OC headroom).

My advice is to just take a decent aircooler, and use the thermal paste that's bundled with it. What (eventually) kills a chip is high voltage combined with high temperature. So with a higher voltage you want to keep it cooler, but power use (=heat output) scales with speed*voltage^2, and the point of higher voltage is higher speed. Resorting to watercooling gets you slightly further, but it's a losing battle, especially since haswell wants lots of extra voltage for small speed increments. With a decent aircooler you can just run it slightly hotter with a slightly lower voltage, ~5% slower.

[xWiredx]

The reason for water cooling isn't necessarily for lower temps, either, it's for lower deltas. The theoretical limit for any cooler that doesn't actively cool down its environment is room temperature. You don't really get into that territory without a TEC or other exotic cooling method. A water cooler might get you an extra 1-3c off your temps compared to an air cooler, but on a budget it isn't a must-have for a modest OC. If you want to play with the hardcore overclockers, you've gotta pay for it. I'll take a bit of time to look and piece together something in the 800-900 range. We'll see if you like it.

[TheSilken]

Well the room its going can get hot in the winter (people turn on the fireplace) so I thought that a water cooled one would be better.