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[Nunspa]

Can we (IS) get a heavy with ECM.. please

just one :/

[Kjudoon]

Make it the IS version of the Hellbringer that is even more LRM heavy and watch the hate flooooowwwwwwwwww

[Bulletsponge0]

do the clans get an assault with ECM then?

[Nightshade24]

Bulletsponge0, on 03 January 2015 - 08:54 PM, said:

do the clans get an assault with ECM then?

Hero Gargoyal "Gargoyle Conal" with an ECM and energy CT please.
Or the Direwolf C.

2 clan assaults that can mount an ECM withen 3050 (well Gargoyle Conal is 3055 but uses tech within timeline and heros do not follow timeline strictly... ie our version of Yen Lo Wang, or the Grid Iron, Oxide, etc)

3 heavy candidates for ECM are....

Cataphract 3L - (this is within timeline and isn't in game due to MASC, we can expect it'll have less weapon hardpoints then a normal cat, so why not allow it to have ECM? 2 later variants of the cataphract got ECM so it follows the same rules for ECM as the commando, cicada, atlas, etc)

Black Knight - Any (all BK's are applicable for the ECM for the same reason as stated above. all variants within timeline are almost the same and later variants are known for having ECM and current variants are famous for having lots of field modifications, such as jumpjets, ecm, masc, etc.)

Grasshopper - well it's a bit late now as all confirmed variants have no ecm, but due to the rule mentioned above. there could be one with an ECM.

A copy for the hero "GHR-7K Gravedigger" could probably work but it's a late variant. It's just a prototype 7K pretty much and it's quite very late... but as I say again, heros are known for F***ing with timeline.

Edited by Nightshade24, 03 January 2015 - 09:07 PM.

[CuriousCabbitBlue]

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  yes and I think IS have a ecm heavy as well
  
  
  Alt. Config. C
  
  The C configuration is configured to be highly mobile and flexible. The Dire Wolf C can jump up to ninety meters. The primary weapons carried are a pair of ER PPCs. These are supported by two new ATM 6 launchers which are capable of firing missiles that are intended for short, intermediate, and long ranges. The C configuration also carries four Medium Pulse Lasers and a single shot Streak SRM-4 launcher. The direct fire weapons are all linked to a Targeting Computer, increasing their lethality, and the C configuration is protected from enemy electronic warfare equipment with an ECM Suite. BV (1.0) = 3,290^[1][9], BV (2.0) = 3,610^[2][10]

Edited by CuriousCabbitBlue, 04 January 2015 - 11:39 PM.

[HlynkaCG]

I don't think we need an ECM heavy though if the issue is simple Hellbringer envy I would suggest adding the "Royal" variant of the Griffin. Unlike other mechs that have been suggested, the GRF-2N is in timeline and would not require any assets that are not already in the game.

ETA:
Heck, you can already duplicate the GRF-2N's loadout (minus the ECM) on a Wolverine so why not give it to us already.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4c130e86ff27f73

^ Just swap that BAP for an ECM and call it done ^

Edited by HlynkaCG, 05 January 2015 - 12:36 AM.

[Temptis]

there is no Inner Sphere Heavy Mech in the current timeline that has a default ECM loadout.
the SLDF War Dog (WR-DG-02FC) is lostech until 3052 when it is rediscovered by Snords Irregulars
the Pentrator (PTR-6S) is due in 3053
all other IS Heavy ECM modifications are part of the Clan Buster field upgrades (3055)
ECM becoming comon with Heavy Mechs does not happen until the Liao Stealth Program and WoB's "let's slap ECM on everything" (3067ff / Jihad)

that beeing said, there is like nothing from stopping PGI to create a Mech Module "Enable ECM carriage" to customise any mech for ECM use.

Edited by Temptis, 05 January 2015 - 04:07 AM.

[fyurian]

[Devil Fox]

fyurian, on 05 January 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

I actually think it's a viable option. A decent long range heavy or medium with ECM is required long term for the IS in terms of CW. Already the Clan drop deck consists almost entirely of heavy mechs with the stormcrow medium filler where as IS have to go heavier into assaults or light's. That heavy deck by Clan's means 3-5 Hellbringer's the first drop making an impenetrable ECM field whereas IS have to field either the slow moving huge wall of the DDC or the squishy Raven/Cicada which can't output the damage or survive the range encounter of the Hellbringer output.

I would be quite interested in the Black Knight and it having ECM... that would then balance IS ECM by tonnage drop into CW, as it's energy based it would be long range trader or a brawler like the Hellbringer, but would be heavy enough to force choice in drop deck's for CW.

[That Dawg]

Bulletsponge0, on 03 January 2015 - 08:54 PM, said:

do the clans get an assault with ECM then?

oh HELL no!

[Athena Pryde]

As soon as the clans get an assault mech with ECM.

[Lily from animove]

Nightshade24, on 03 January 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

Hero Gargoyal "Gargoyle Conal" with an ECM and energy CT please.
Or the Direwolf C.

he said assault not a fat heavy.

[fyurian]

blood asp prime ,A & B config hellyea
i would love to see this clan assault sadly its only built in 3060

[Nightshade24]

Lily from animove, on 05 January 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

he said assault not a fat heavy.

It's an 80 ton assault mech. It's an assault.

[Nightshade24]

HlynkaCG, on 05 January 2015 - 12:16 AM, said:

I don't think we need an ECM heavy though if the issue is simple Hellbringer envy I would suggest adding the "Royal" variant of the Griffin. Unlike other mechs that have been suggested, the GRF-2N is in timeline and would not require any assets that are not already in the game.

ETA:
Heck, you can already duplicate the GRF-2N's loadout (minus the ECM) on a Wolverine so why not give it to us already.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4c130e86ff27f73

^ Just swap that BAP for an ECM and call it done ^

The problem with adding SLDF royal mechs is that technically the IS would not use them at all in CW as it would be in clan hands in this time line.

(Same with the majority of kingcrabs.)

The thing here is it's kinda awkward playing CW when the IS are using so many mechs they shouldn't be using due to the variant/ mech being extinct for them or very rare while the clans still have whole planets defended by them...

If IS can use the King Crab then I want the Clans to be able to use the Shadowcat and Couldron Born.

Anyway.... it's kinda hard to ballance mechs that are identical to a variant we already have in game but it also has ECM (Stalker 3F royal, for eg)

[Nightshade24]

CuriousCabbitBlue, on 04 January 2015 - 11:37 PM, said:

• 
  
  yes and I think IS have a ecm heavy as well
  
  
  Alt. Config. C
  
  The C configuration is configured to be highly mobile and flexible. The Dire Wolf C can jump up to ninety meters. The primary weapons carried are a pair of ER PPCs. These are supported by two new ATM 6 launchers which are capable of firing missiles that are intended for short, intermediate, and long ranges. The C configuration also carries four Medium Pulse Lasers and a single shot Streak SRM-4 launcher. The direct fire weapons are all linked to a Targeting Computer, increasing their lethality, and the C configuration is protected from enemy electronic warfare equipment with an ECM Suite. BV (1.0) = 3,290^[1][9], BV (2.0) = 3,610^[2][10]

Year of availability for DWF-C: 3054
Year of availability for ATM-6: 3060


What....

[HlynkaCG]

Nightshade24, on 05 January 2015 - 05:45 PM, said:

The problem with adding SLDF royal mechs is that technically the IS would not use them at all in CW as it would be in clan hands in this time line.

(Same with the majority of kingcrabs.)

The thing here is it's kinda awkward playing CW when the IS are using so many mechs they shouldn't be using due to the variant/ mech being extinct for them or very rare while the clans still have whole planets defended by them...

Well it's a bit late to be worrying about that, seeing as we already got the "Royal" King Crab as our 3rd variant in place of the Comstar one. The KGC-0000 and KGC-001 are both in active production at this point in the timeline though they are exclusive to the Fed-Suns and Comguards respectively.

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If IS can use the King Crab then I want the Clans to be able to use the Shadowcat and Couldron Born.

If we are going to go that far, a member of Clan Wolf not be able to use a mech that is exclusive to Clan Smole Jaguar and it's allies.

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Anyway.... it's kinda hard to ballance mechs that are identical to a variant we already have in game but it also has ECM (Stalker 3F royal, for eg)

What are you talking about?

Edited by HlynkaCG, 06 January 2015 - 09:09 AM.

[Saiphas Cain]

While I'd like to see an IS heavy with ECM it's not needed for CW balance unless things shift exclusively to streaks and LRM's and I don't see that happening. Even then it would be an extra, not a necessity.;

[InspectorG]

ECM heavy? Why? Just use a Thunderbolt.

Really, ECM, for role purposes, should be relegated to light mechs.(plus honorary Cicada).

IS has gobs of ECM choices, Clan doesnt.

[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

Give QKD-5K or 4G ECM,problem solved.

Dragons are too overquirked for that.