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#21 Bill Lumbar

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 10:26 AM

Guys my temps are hitting into the 80's while gaming... not really comfortable with temps this high on a cpu.... is this safe or a good Idea? I didn't put any Artic silver 5 and left the factory paste on when I installed the CPU. This is something I never do, but did this time.... should I take it off and remount the CPU with Artic 5?

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 21 February 2015 - 10:26 AM.


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Posted 21 February 2015 - 10:52 AM

View PostBill Lumbar, on 21 February 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

Guys my temps are hitting into the 80's while gaming... not really comfortable with temps this high on a cpu.... is this safe or a good Idea? I didn't put any Artic silver 5 and left the factory paste on when I installed the CPU. This is something I never do, but did this time.... should I take it off and remount the CPU with Artic 5?


Artic Silver over the default crap.. Sure !

High cpue temp... 80'C probably not and issue.. Anyway from my understanding.. Intel CPUs downclock themselve when there reach unsafe temps. Need someone to confirm this though...
That was that old video Amd Vs. Intel... Take off Heatsink on Intel, it downclocks and lives... Take off Heastsink on AMD... Fizzle... Poof! Dead AMD.

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 11:31 AM

View PostShinVector, on 21 February 2015 - 10:52 AM, said:


Artic Silver over the default crap.. Sure !

High cpue temp... 80'C probably not and issue.. Anyway from my understanding.. Intel CPUs downclock themselve when there reach unsafe temps. Need someone to confirm this though...
That was that old video Amd Vs. Intel... Take off Heatsink on Intel, it downclocks and lives... Take off Heastsink on AMD... Fizzle... Poof! Dead AMD.

Ok thanks for the info...

I was able to get my Zalman X5 installed with the included 775/1156 bracket. Rather odd because I tried to fit it before mounting the mother board in the case and it seemed like the black plastic bracket that goes onto the motherboard would not line up with the holes. I got it to line up and its installed...with Artic silver 5 now. I was under the impression that 775/1156 brackets would not work on the 1150 boards... but if this is the case, I might be able to put my swifttech water block on it after changing out the back plate. I tried to line the metal back plate up before, but it seemed like a no go for sure. Temps at start up was 50C idle in the bios, now that I am in windows 7 coretemp is showing Idle around 29-33C and seems like a improvement from the stock cooler and paste, + there is the break in period with the artic 5.

Here is my first match on the bog with the new I7 build....stock clocks, with a mild over clock of 1025/1475 on my 7970. doesn't really seem to be very impressive yet from the FX-8350 at 4.8 ghz and same OC on the 7970.

2015-02-21 13:14:54 - MWOClient
Frames: 6588 - Time: 124458ms - Avg: 52.934 - Min: 41 - Max: 68

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 11:41 AM

http://forums.guru3d...ad.php?t=396572

http://www.win-raid....t-v-v-WHQL.html

http://forums.guru3d...ad.php?t=397134

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 11:50 AM

View PostGoose, on 21 February 2015 - 11:41 AM, said:


Thanks goose, I will look into the drivers and the info as soon as I have time to do it. I did download all the lastest drivers from Gigabyte instead of using the disc that came with the board. I also am running F5 bios and I think there is a beta out that I have downloaded but haven't upgraded to yet.

Right now I have over 190 updates from windows to do.. and I need to get the killer 2200 up and running. Windows shows it as being connected to the internet and I have I4 connectivity but I6 shows up in properties as not connected. When I plug in my land land, my asus Wifi goes out so I am guessing there is a issue with the Killer network manager for some reason. Very frustrating.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 21 February 2015 - 11:53 AM.


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Posted 21 February 2015 - 01:34 PM

View PostBill Lumbar, on 21 February 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

Thanks goose, I will look into the drivers and the info as soon as I have time to do it. I did download all the lastest drivers from Gigabyte instead of using the disc that came with the board. I also am running F5 bios and I think there is a beta out that I have downloaded but haven't upgraded to yet.

Right now I have over 190 updates from windows to do.. and I need to get the killer 2200 up and running. Windows shows it as being connected to the internet and I have I4 connectivity but I6 shows up in properties as not connected. When I plug in my land land, my asus Wifi goes out so I am guessing there is a issue with the Killer network manager for some reason. Very frustrating.



I uninstalled Killer Network manager on my machine i found that for some reason anytime the PC was on and using the internet, it would knock the wifi out on the mrs Ipad and only the ipad.

Was rather odd.

#27 Bill Lumbar

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 03:28 PM

Well that is odd... I have uninstalled it right now after installing the newest drivers from Killers site. 1.5 something I think, and it still didn't work. How crappy is that....?

My temps are much better since putting on the Zalman but way to hot for my liking. I am not getting around 72C max while playing MWO, vs around 88C-92C with stock cooler. I can't wait for the new water block and the rest of my parts for the loop to get here, I really don't like seeing any CPU over the 48C mark while maxed out.

Oh yeah, one more thing, I can't seem to get the needed XINPUT1.3dll's installed from microsoft and I can not play in 64bit right now. I have not made any changes yet or unparked the cores or the other changes that links were posted for. I have not OC the 4790K yet, as I would hate to see what temps would go up to... must likely won't OC till the new parts and block get here.

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 03:39 PM

View PostBill Lumbar, on 21 February 2015 - 03:28 PM, said:

Well that is odd... I have uninstalled it right now after installing the newest drivers from Killers site. 1.5 something I think, and it still didn't work. How crappy is that....?

My temps are much better since putting on the Zalman but way to hot for my liking. I am not getting around 72C max while playing MWO, vs around 88C-92C with stock cooler. I can't wait for the new water block and the rest of my parts for the loop to get here, I really don't like seeing any CPU over the 48C mark while maxed out.

Oh yeah, one more thing, I can't seem to get the needed XINPUT1.3dll's installed from microsoft and I can not play in 64bit right now. I have not made any changes yet or unparked the cores or the other changes that links were posted for. I have not OC the 4790K yet, as I would hate to see what temps would go up to... must likely won't OC till the new parts and block get here.



http://www.microsoft...ails.aspx?id=35

Should fix the .dll error

#29 Bill Lumbar

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 03:40 PM

I have already tried to install that one..... didn't work :unsure:

When I try to install it it comes up with this....

An internal system error occurred. Please refer to the DXError.log and DirectX.log in you Windows folder to determine problem.


when I go to my logs here is one of them...

[02/21/15 12:06:42] module: DXWSetup(Mar 30 2011), file: dxwsetup.cpp, line: 229, function: CDXWSetup::InitInstallEngine

Sections are not initialized.

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[02/21/15 12:06:42] module: DXWSetup(Mar 30 2011), file: psheets.cpp, line: 705, function: PreinstDlgProc

CDXWSetup::InitInstallEngine() failed.

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[02/21/15 12:31:36] module: DXWSetup(Mar 30 2011), file: dxwsetup.cpp, line: 229, function: CDXWSetup::InitInstallEngine

Sections are not initialized.

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[02/21/15 12:31:36] module: DXWSetup(Mar 30 2011), file: psheets.cpp, line: 705, function: PreinstDlgProc

CDXWSetup::InitInstallEngine() failed.

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[02/21/15 17:34:11] module: DXWSetup(Mar 30 2011), file: dxwsetup.cpp, line: 229, function: CDXWSetup::InitInstallEngine

Sections are not initialized.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 21 February 2015 - 03:47 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2015 - 03:44 PM

View PostBill Lumbar, on 21 February 2015 - 03:40 PM, said:

I have already tried to install that one..... didn't work :unsure:

When I try to install it it comes up with this....

An internal system error occurred. Please refer to the DXError.log and DirectX.log in you Windows folder to determine problem.


Try an /sfc check in command prompt

the .dll is a direct x one, so you definitely need it to work :P

Edited by DV McKenna, 21 February 2015 - 03:44 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2015 - 03:47 PM

And try the full installer, but Run as Admin

http://www.microsoft...ls.aspx?id=8109

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 03:49 PM

I have tried to run the first as admid.... didn't work...still. I have already tried to run the full version, but it ask me where I want to extract the files too.... ? I can not proceed till I pick a file with in the computer.??

I have never had a install ask me where to place the files with out giving a default of where they should be installed... wtf?

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 21 February 2015 - 03:51 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2015 - 03:58 PM

View PostBill Lumbar, on 21 February 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

I have tried to run the first as admid.... didn't work...still. I have already tried to run the full version, but it ask me where I want to extract the files too.... ? I can not proceed till I pick a file with in the computer.??

I have never had a install ask me where to place the files with out giving a default of where they should be installed... wtf?


Extract to desktop (in a folder theres tons of files), and run the DX setup

Edited by DV McKenna, 21 February 2015 - 03:58 PM.


#34 Bill Lumbar

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 04:04 PM

I thinks that might have done the trick.... I believe its installing now. Thanks DV Mckenna :D

I have never had to do this before.... always just installed from there website.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 21 February 2015 - 04:05 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2015 - 04:06 PM

View PostBill Lumbar, on 21 February 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

I thinks that might have done the trick.... I believe its installing now. Thanks DV Mckenna :D

I have never had to do this before.... always just installed from there website.


I've never had an issue with the webtime installer, that normally does the trick.
But if i ever did have one, i'd jump to the full version :)

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 04:10 PM

Yep.... that did it, I am now in 64 bit goodness land. :D Thanks again! I even went to install DOW Soulstorm and was downloading it from steam... I figured it would install what was needed, lol. No need to now.

Here are the first two games in normal matches and 64 bit client.

2015-02-21 18:31:07 - MWOClient
Frames: 12077 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 67.094 - Min: 43 - Max: 78

2015-02-21 19:29:59 - MWOClient
Frames: 12654 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 70.300 - Min: 49 - Max: 84

I have seen on game in 32 bit hit as low as 34 min.

Two more games in normal drops

2015-02-21 20:23:17 - MWOClient
Frames: 10331 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 57.394 - Min: 37 - Max: 71

2015-02-21 20:40:56 - MWOClient
Frames: 12918 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 71.767 - Min: 53 - Max: 85

And three more games.

2015-02-21 21:38:21 - MWOClient
Frames: 8702 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 48.344 - Min: 31 - Max: 63

2015-02-21 21:48:04 - MWOClient
Frames: 11858 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 65.878 - Min: 46 - Max: 78

2015-02-21 22:09:53 - MWOClient
Frames: 11077 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 61.539 - Min: 45 - Max: 72

2015-02-21 22:56:21 - MWOClient
Frames: 11928 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 66.267 - Min: 49 - Max: 80



For the most part as the numbers would show, min frames are up right now, for the most part from my FX-8350 @ 4.8Ghz.

Everything is the same hardware wise with the exceptions of the Hard drive not being my Samsung 840 500G SSD. I am running a Seagate 1.5 gb 7200 rpm drive for the OS right now. This is a older drive I used for movie backups several years ago, and they are the ones that was hit or miss, either they failed badly or some had luck with them and they didn't. Mine is still running. Not sure how much difference if any in FPS there will be once I transfer over or clean install Windows onto the Samsung SSD.

My ram also gave different timings with Intels Xmp settings vs. what I went in and had to manually set my ram to on my AMD build. Ram on my FX build was set to 9-9-9-24 trfc at 34 I believe? Timings in the Xmp profile has them at 9-9-9-27 with a row refresh cycle time of 128 and command rate at 1T. As I said before, not that Windows system ratings mean much...but I got a 7.9 on the same ram on my FX build vs 7.8 that I am getting now. I will look forward to when the water loop parts and block get here so I can really see what this I7 4790K can clock to, I would like to see 4.8ghz out of it stable.

It seems like a mixed bag so far on just how much I notice the "smoothness" Intel offers from my FX build in this game at this point..... I think I needs to wait to get everything up and running with the parts I need, OC it, and go from there before I make any real judgments on this new Intel rig.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 21 February 2015 - 10:24 PM.


#37 Thorqemada

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Posted 22 February 2015 - 06:10 AM

I am not sure how to value your FPS ?

MWO FPS have increased significantly with the latest 2 Patches and i dont find your Settings, currently i wonder how "good" these FPS are.

Edited by Thorqemada, 22 February 2015 - 06:10 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2015 - 07:42 AM

80-90C temps stock clocks are obscene. Even 72C load in a game is not good. That's about what my 3770k does on a 212 EVO at 4.4. Prime or OCCT would add 10-15 degrees onto that at least. I don't have much temperature experience with Haswell, but bumping that close to the max temp at stock clocks just can't be normal, and my Ivy at stock clocks, in an artificial stress test, hits like 50, maybe 60, and it's not even a good chip for temperature (bad IHS problems, just like every IB I end up with).

AS5's curing period is a real thing as far as I know, but makes differences of a degree or two, so either there's seating problems there, cooling problems, or your motherboard is for some reason dumping way too much voltage into the chip. Hopefully once you get your final cooler in you'll see a very drastic improvement. 48C on a modern gen Intel chip isn't going to happen, not with OCing, but you should see those temps in the 70s after significant OCing not before.

Edited by Catamount, 22 February 2015 - 07:42 AM.


#39 Bill Lumbar

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Posted 22 February 2015 - 09:30 AM

I am sorry guys..... I pretty much run on the same settings as my FX build. Let me post them.

As for the temps I had with the stock cooler, I was using the stock paste....and I believe it was seated right but you all now how Intel stock coolers are a PITA to seat. Pretty sure I had it right though. I am at Idle right now around 29-31C and while gaming in MWO I see around 50C-low 70's at stock clocks with the Zalman cooler. Cpu is showing my Volts at 1.26 and since I change performance in Windows to High performance in the power options, my CPU doesn't use the power saving and Idle down, it stays at 4.4 ghz and at 1.26 volts. Should I turn the balance plan back on or lower my Voltage on the CPU in the bios and see if it stays stable?

I have MWO game up and running but I am on the desktop and uploading some pics, surfing and my temps are around 40C right now and staying there. Keep in mind if you look at the pic of my case I modded to build into my desk, this case isn't set up for great air cooling, there is a 120mm fan blowing from the bottom onto the 7970, and a 90mm fan blowing out the back, and the PSU 140mm blowing out the top... and then the Zalman aimed at the back 90mm fan to pull air out of case. There are no intake fans in the front of the case, but its not air tight and I am sure it draw's fresh air in. This case mod was meant for the CPU to be water cooled, and this is a temp set up till I get my wall mount case finished.

Here are my settings in game with the new setup and the pretty much match my FX build setting for setting.

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My ram defaulted to 1333mhz, and I used the Intel XMP profile to bring them up to speed.... they are different settings from my manual settings I dialed in on my FX rig...and as I stated, Windows rating is 7.8 with the new intel rig, and was 7.9 on my FX rig for the ram. Odd? Please keep in mind also that I am on a 32" BenQ 2560x1440P monitor..... and not gaming at 1080P like many of you guys are.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 22 February 2015 - 09:51 AM.


#40 Bill Lumbar

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Posted 22 February 2015 - 10:10 AM

Btw.... I can tell the Zalman is seated right.... the fins are warm, and its pushing off heat from the CPU. It is doing its job...are the Volts to high on the CPU?

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 22 February 2015 - 10:54 AM.






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