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[dr lao]

Ok Dr lao here
I just put together my new computer and made some bad choices the mother board is a Gigabyte AM1M-S2H with a AMD 5350 at 2.0 mhz runs MWO horribly at 21 fps if I cant find a AMD sempron socket cpa at the lest 3.0 mhz il half to buy a new mother board cpa and win 7 becouse of the upgrade .
please help i want to stay with AMD heres my specs.

[Lord Letto]

I hate to break it to you, but a new Motherboard and CPU is what you need, What you have now is just not ment for Heavy Gaming, it's more for HTPC Builds or possibly Light gaming using older/Less Demanding Games. if you want to stick with AMD, i'd say get a AM3+ Motherboard & a FX CPU or a FM2+ & a Newer/Better Athlon X4, otherwise go Intel as Intel got a higher CPU Cycle count that MWO Needs to Run Good.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Ugh you did pick bad.
First thing I will dismiss is you don't need a new windows 7 if you buy a new board and CPU.

The current one will work.

The AM1 socket type is horrific in terms of options I can't find anything acceptable out there.

If budget is tight and I expect it is for you to choose such a terrible option I would look at the Pentium K and a new board with a cheap aftermarket cooler like a hyper evo 212.

For a quick example

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $158.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-12 11:49 EDT-0400

[Flapdrol]

You can probably reuse the windows key even with another motherboard. Only time this doesn't work if its an oem system without a key sticker (bios key). Might have to call the microsoft robot telephone.

Also, that pentium G3258 comes with a cooler that's actually quite decent, so the hyper evo is optional. Could also run it on a H81m-hds board (rev1 if possible, rev2 seems to be cost cutting, removed a cpu power phase), it allows overclocking too and is very cheap.

Edited by Flapdrol, 12 March 2015 - 07:58 AM.

[Catamount]

Yeah given the budget you're probably working with get a G3258 and overclock it.

[dr lao]

I have a little more on cash if I don't have to buy the win 7 again but i did use the microsoft robot telephone. all ready
​this is what I put together for my son last year his what do you guys think of this dose not play MWO { thought I raised him better then that } but his games really rock at all high to ultra with the same GPU gtx 750 I have
here is what I put in his

AMD A10-5800K APU 3.8Ghz Processor

http://www.amazon.co...d=AWUJ1PRCOF6FM

mother board
Gigabyte AMD FM2+/FM2 A75 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s MATX Micro ATX DDR3 2133 NA Motherboard - GA-F2A75M-HD2

http://www.amazon.co...ef=cm_lmf_tit_2

total $157

is the
AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor

better and if so can i use this mb?

Edited by dr lao, 12 March 2015 - 08:31 AM.

[Lord Letto]

DV McKenna, on 12 March 2015 - 07:49 AM, said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $158.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-12 11:49 EDT-0400

and some comparisons from the AMD Side:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($93.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.98 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $236.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-12 12:17 EDT-0400



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.98 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-HD3 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($62.18 @ Newegg)
Total: $164.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-12 12:19 EDT-0400

[Oderint dum Metuant]

dr lao, on 12 March 2015 - 08:15 AM, said:

I have a little more on cash if I don't have to buy the win 7 again but i did use the microsoft robot telephone. all ready
​this is what I put together for my son last year his what do you guys think of this dose not play MWO { thought I raised him better then that } but his games really rock at all high to ultra with the same GPU gtx 750 I have
here is what I put in his

AMD A10-5800K APU 3.8Ghz Processor

http://www.amazon.co...d=AWUJ1PRCOF6FM

mother board
Gigabyte AMD FM2+/FM2 A75 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s MATX Micro ATX DDR3 2133 NA Motherboard - GA-F2A75M-HD2

http://www.amazon.co...ef=cm_lmf_tit_2

total $157

is the
AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor

better?

The windows 7 is a non issue I have re registered mine so many times, the automated line always takes it.

The problem with the machine you son has is its a dead socket FM2 really would not go there.

At least with socket 1150 from Intel you can move up to I5 or I7 Haswell in the future.

AMD may look cost effective on paper but trust me if this is your main game.
Go Intel.

No fanboyism it's just a fact here.

Edited by DV McKenna, 12 March 2015 - 08:34 AM.

[Flapdrol]

dr lao, on 12 March 2015 - 08:15 AM, said:

I have a little more on cash if I don't have to buy the win 7 again but i did use the microsoft robot telephone. all ready
​this is what I put together for my son last year his what do you guys think of this dose not play MWO { thought I raised him better then that } but his games really rock at all high to ultra with the same GPU gtx 750 I have
here is what I put in his

AMD A10-5800K APU 3.8Ghz Processor

http://www.amazon.co...d=AWUJ1PRCOF6FM

mother board
Gigabyte AMD FM2+/FM2 A75 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s MATX Micro ATX DDR3 2133 NA Motherboard - GA-F2A75M-HD2

http://www.amazon.co...ef=cm_lmf_tit_2

total $157

I'd get an intel for this game, this game doesn't multithread that well, and intel cpu's have higher per-thread performance.

The G3258 pentium is nice because you can overclock it and then performs really well in this game, even works on many cheap H81 boards.
http://forums.anandt...d.php?t=2389948

if you have a bit more to spend or don't want to overclock get an i5-4460.

DV McKenna, on 12 March 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

The windows 7 is a non issue I have re registered mine so many times, the automated line always takes it.

Good to know.

Edited by Flapdrol, 12 March 2015 - 08:37 AM.

[dr lao]

well the
Intel CPU BX80646G3258 Pentium G3258 3.20GHz 3M LGA1150 2Core/2Thread Haswell RF Retail is cheaper and at 3.20ghz

is this motherboard is good with this ?

http://www.amazon.co...words=H81+board

Edited by dr lao, 12 March 2015 - 08:54 AM.

[Flapdrol]

It'll probably allow overclocking, but I'm not sure, could contact asus support to make sure.

If you don't want to overclock I'd recommend spending a little more and getting an i5.

Edited by Flapdrol, 12 March 2015 - 09:13 AM.

[Catamount]

Although all Asus materials loosely imply overclocking, reviews state otherwise. That board will not overclock.

Many Asus/Gigabyte/Asrock H81/B85 boards have been updated so that they will OC, but Newegg has a review as recently as December indicating otherwise here.

Dr Lao, just what kind of budget are you looking at anyways? The G3258 is being suggested because we're assuming it's pretty small, but let us know what you're willing to spend just in case something like an i5 is feasible.

Edited by Catamount, 12 March 2015 - 10:16 AM.

[dr lao]

Catamount, on 12 March 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

Although all Asus materials loosely imply overclocking, reviews state otherwise. That board will not overclock.

Many Asus/Gigabyte/Asrock H81/B85 boards have been updated so that they will OC, but Newegg has a review as recently as December indicating otherwise here.

Dr Lao, just what kind of budget are you looking at anyways? The G3258 is being suggested because we're assuming it's pretty small, but let us know what you're willing to spend just in case something like an i5 is feasible.

Well with just a MB and cpu left to get id say $160 .
just saying i never have overclocked a cpu before but a g3258 at 3.20 thats good right
O iall so have amazon prim if that helps thank you all for this

Edited by dr lao, 12 March 2015 - 10:33 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

dr lao, on 12 March 2015 - 10:23 AM, said:

Well with just a MB and cpu left to get id say $160 .
just saying i never have overclocked a cpu before but a g3258 at 3.20 thats good right
O iall so have amazon prim if that helps thank you all for this

In which case i stand by my original suggestion



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $158.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-12 11:49 EDT-0400

In budget and the board has reviews on newegg both for overclocking and specifically with that very chip

[BigBadVlad]

With the G3258 hopefully you can afford a cheap aftermarket heatsink instead of using the included Intel one. It will make loads of difference to the performance you will get when overclocking. Hopefully whatever cheap heatsink you can find will fit inside your case. I got the G3258 $60, an H81 Bit-Coin Mining board from Asrock $20!, a Zalman Performa heatsink $20 and it does well for his gaming needs. With a couple other fans inside the case the G3258 has been running overclocked at 4.5 Ghz without issue.

[Lord Letto]

The G3258 May be OK @ Stock but it would be loads better OCed, but if you don't want to OC i'd say add a Extra $50-60 or more to the budget & Get a i5-4460:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($178.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Foxconn H81MXV Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($38.01 @ Mwave)
Total: $217.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-12 15:07 EDT-0400

Edited by Lord Letto, 12 March 2015 - 11:08 AM.

[Catamount]

OP, stretch for the $220 to get the i5 if you can, but if you can't, don't worry. We'll walk you through getting that 3258 up to 4-4.5GHZ so that it plays MWO decently.

[Henchman 24]

DV McKenna, on 12 March 2015 - 07:49 AM, said:

Ugh you did pick bad.
First thing I will dismiss is you don't need a new windows 7 if you buy a new board and CPU.

If you have already installed and activated Windows 7...you MIGHT run into a situation where it does not want to activate over the internet as it's already seen one motherboard cfg, and assumes you are trying to use the one copy on two separate machines. In this case, you will want to choose other activation methods or "Show me other ways to activate". Pick "Use the automated phone system" and follow the instructions. Yes it's a pain, but worth it. Always remember to answer ONE when it asks you how many computers this copy of Windows 7 has been installed to. This keeps the license restriction to one pc based off the new parts. After that you should be good to go with Windows.

Other than that, a mild overclock on the pentium on air will see better MWO results than any APU.

[Summon3r]

dr lao, on 12 March 2015 - 10:23 AM, said:

Well with just a MB and cpu left to get id say $160 .
just saying i never have overclocked a cpu before but a g3258 at 3.20 thats good right
O iall so have amazon prim if that helps thank you all for this

OC'ing really is a peice of cake these days, likely your mobo will have an auto OC in the BIOS is your scared to change the multiplier and voltage yourself... if u go G3258 your gonna want at least 4ghz, which that cpu hits easily.

as said above though for a few more bucks an I5 would get you a lot further in terms of MWO performance.

Edited by Summon3r, 12 March 2015 - 02:17 PM.

[fragmented]

Keep an eye on the microcenter combos

INTEL

AMD

Newegg usually has some solid deals on combos, and at Slickdeals you'll be able to find an occasional deal also.