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[Warfarer]

Already have timberwolf and atlas. What are more iconic mech that i need to add to my collection?

[Spike Brave]

This really depends on the player and how they've interacted with the franchise. IMO it's all the Mechs in the Phoenix Pack. When I bought my first BattleTech box set, those Mechs where the ones with markers and stats included.

[Koniving]

Urban mech is pretty iconic as the underdog. It's even in the 1987 BattleTechnology mags much to my surprise, alongside Marauders, Thunderbolts and Shadowhawks.

Hunchbacks were iconic in their own right. Summoner was definitely iconic, in most cases wherever there was a Timber Wolf there was a Summoner nearby.

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By extension, you might also notice the IS had a captured and highly disrepaired Mad Dog.

Which also became iconic in its own way.

There's a Shadow Cat in there too. So that can make for a good future goal as well.
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On a side note, for those interested in the events of MW2's intro:

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I learned something really funny with a bit of research. In the iconic battle between two Timber Wolves and two Summoners in Mechwarrior 2... It's said that the Timber Wolf is NOT using machine guns, but instead ultra autocannons (specifically UAC/5s) in that video. (Keep in mind, in MW2 they were 'reasonably' true to the lore of ACs in the sense that a UAC/2 fired 2 shots, UAC/5 fired 5, 10 fired 10, 20 fired 20. MW3 and 4 went burst fire and MWO went giant cannons [BT Rifles] instead.) There is also a through armor crit (disabling the right arm ER PPC), an awkward but interesting depiction of a 'rear shot' by the LBX, and finally execution by LBX to the cockpit.

The sequence of events was based on a tabletop fight which lasted a total of 12 turns (1 minute, 20 seconds) and each mech had a single ton of ammunition per weapon type. Stock Summoners completely stock. The one Timber Wolf (bravo cadet) was given poor skills and a stock TBR. The other was given twin ER PPCs, twin UAC/5s and that was really it, exactly 1.52 tons left for a single ton of ammo and the rest unused. Could've mounted MGs but what's the point without ammo?

So that's why there's no LRM usage by the TBR. And also why the fight turned out the way it did. Also why the mechs moved slowly toward the end, they kept their speeds low to have accuracy chances high (it was literally based on a TT fight between the devs), and in the end the Summoner won. Had the fight gone on for a single turn longer (10 more seconds), the Timber Wolf would have wrecked the Summoner. (Interestingly, the Timber Wolf in the TT fight didn't run out of ammo, he perma-jammed.)

The stage was set with one TBR ambushed by two Summoners. On the second turn, (11 to 20 seconds) the second TBR was placed on the edge of a small map. It took 3 turns to get there (hence '34 seconds'). The first Summoner was badly damaged hence it was blown out.

The words of "Bravo cadet" and a partial visual detail should gave his TT conditions at that point in time.
"I have got hip actuators out" (actually one hip actuator was out, and if you notice he's missing a toe. This was because an LBX shot earlier had simultaneously taken out his hip and foot actuators. Repeated fire had also taken out a number of his heatsinks. However the real critical condition of his status was he could no longer move, the fact that the mech was standing is a feat in and of itself given his condition and it's not specified whether or not the mech was actually prone / knocked down at the time).

"Targeting System is damaged." This was partly to explain the lack of shooting (which was actually because the Summoners were Richards in the sense that they deliberately avoided his firing arcs; you can twist a lot more in MW games than you can in TT). However it was also a reference to a previous headshot in which his one of his sensor crits was knocked out.

"3, 2 of them. Be on the line!" A reference to the fact that it actually had become 3 Summoners to 2 Timber Wolves when 'Bravo Cadet' had instantly killed a Summoner on the first turn and it was subsequently replaced to counter the guy's luck with the dice.

The Summoner killed by twin ER PPCs didn't actually die from the twin ER PPCs. Being shot during an attempt to DFA Bravo Cadet caused the mech to fall. The landing itself terminated the mech. But they didn't believe that would be as spectacular as exploding mid air with parts flying (which an arm was blown off due to a total ST destruction from the shot).

Attacking the first (second) Summoner with ER PPCs, Bravo Cadet being destroyed by LRM. In the next turn Alpha Assault brought his UACs to bare on the Summoner because his heatsinks were taxed from the twin ER PPC firing. Needed time to cool the mech off. The Summoner's ER PPC did actually get to fire on the same turn it was crit, but that attack was left out of the video for "heroics". Both weapons were actually fired backwards. They kept the LBX firing since it didn't get crit. In the final turn, the result could have gone either way. The UACs would have done great had they all hit -- or the ER PPCs have fired then and there.

Instead, what happened was after a miss, Alpha Assault's dice roller managed to jam BOTH UAC/5s on the same turn. Hence 'ammunition depleted' could easily have been 'weapons jammed'. Someone jamming both at the same time seemed excessive, so they opted to run out of ammo instead.

The execution shot in the same turn, put several of the 10 LBX 'slugs' directly to the 'head'. The pilot was killed by these hits due to the pilot damage if cockpit hit (even if just to the armor) rule.
One more turn, or just a little less cocky and it would have been a very different outcome.

Edited by Koniving, 22 March 2015 - 11:17 AM.

[SethAbercromby]

In a way, from the lore perspective, any 'Mech can be iconic depending on who you ask. To me, one of the most iconic 'Mechs is the Stalker which managed to be one of the most used Assault 'Mechs in the entire Inner Sphere and its Periphery due to its high reliability and versatility as a spearhead 'Mech for more than 5 centuries.

[MechWarrior3671771]

Oh Ravens. Definitely Ravens. We need more of them too.

[Redshift2k5]

Jenner is a classic.

[MechWarrior3671771]

Also.. Ravens.

[Axefan]

For me it was Centurian, Catapult, Stalker, Jenner, Raven.

[Nightmare1]

Madcat and Atlas are perhaps the most overall iconic.

I also like the Devastator, though it's not in the game yet.

For you, I would recommend the Centurions or Hunchbacks. Both are relatively iconic with Kai Allard's Yen Lo Wang being perhaps the most iconic Hero Mech around.

[White Bear 84]

C'mon.. ..the catapult!! With those cute fluffy ears

Madcat is definitely the most iconic clan mech I reckon. My opinion, not necessarily the 'most' iconic, but definitely up there

IS:

1.Atlas
2.Hunchback
3.Zeus
4.Raven
5.King Crab
6. Awesome
7. Battlemaster for sure!!
8. Catapult
9. Jenner
10. Centurion

[Void Angel]

Eh, this is a somewhat subjective subject (hee-hee,) but still, there is a difference between an "iconic" 'mech, and a 'mech we like and favor. For a 'mech to be Iconic, it should be somehow visually representative of Battletech or Mechwarrior. So the Warhammer and Marauder, which currently remain Unseen, are iconic 'mechs, as are the Atlas and Mad Cat; other examples would possibly be the Locust or the Axeman, as they appear prominently in certain literature.

Essentially, for something to be iconic, it should stand for something else - so you don't just look at a 'mech say, "Hey, that's a Quickdraw, I love that 'mech" - rather, you should say to yourself, "Ah, Battletech."

Edited by Void Angel, 22 March 2015 - 04:24 PM.

[Tim East]

Valid point, Void Angel. I'd have to say that for me, the Timber Wolf is first among iconic mechs, alongside the Atlas.

For mechs with relatively unique profiles that I recall fondly, you can't really go wrong with the Jenner/Jenner IIC, the Rifleman IIC, the Mad Dog, the Summoner, the Commando, and the Executioner.

For mechs that have joined the list that I will recall fondly in the future from playing this game, you've got the Locust, the King Crab, the Dragon, the Catapult, and the Hunchback

[TheCaptainJZ]

My perspective is limited only to video games so iconic to me is the mechs which appeared (and were among the most powerful) in the most games. Not the best standard to go by but we can list a few:

Madcat, Atlas, Thor, Vulture, Uller, Jagermech, Catapult, Raven, Bushwacker, Hunchback, Cougar, Shadowcat

Mainly I think those feel iconic to me because they were starter mechs in those games or just good mechs that I liked using. They also have unique profiles.

[MechWarrior3671771]

Oh, in case someone forgot to mention it .... Ravens. They rock.

Also, the Raven.

[Koniving]

Fenrisulvyn, on 23 March 2015 - 04:38 AM, said:

Oh, in case someone forgot to mention it .... Ravens. They rock.

Also, the Raven.

I'm actually saddened by the general lack of Ravens in the books I've got so far. Granted I'm not through them yet, but no arts yet. Wound up finding the Annihilator before the Raven.

And the Cyclops -- which I had once thought Microsoft made up near 2000, is in this 1987 issue. And it looks better than any iteration of the Cyclops I had ever seen drawn ever since. This is actually a Phoenix Hawk. O.o;


On a side note:
The typical mercenary. Found in Battletech: Mercenaries (sourcebook)


Pilot of the Heavy Metal heromech, see left.

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Note that's her much younger.

Around that time, she actually piloted a Shadowhawk with 9.5 tons of armor (152 armor BT, 304 armor MWO).

She also has prosthetic limbs for those cyborg-lovers out there (obviously occurring after the big image of her).

The Cranston Snord's Irregulars 12 mech lineup!

Ever wonder where all the room for hydrolics are on a mech? Stop wondering; there are none. Mechs have Muscles! They are called Myomer for short. Myomer Muscular Architecture.


What does a Mechwarrior wear? Almost nothing.

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No, seriously.

The bulky thingy is the pre-3000 neurohelm, from times when Battlemechs could do virtually gundam-esque things (provided we're talking about 'gundams' in the sense of the 08th MS Squad and not 'God mode' gundams). Now mechs are considerably reduced in capability -- but sanity rates are improved and early hits of schizophrenia / Alzheimer's disease are reduced. Save for Clans, those with E.I. nanomachine tattoos have 'built in' neuro helms and can remote-pilot their mechs without even being inside them -- and they typically lose their minds in about 6 years to 12 years.

Edited by Koniving, 31 March 2015 - 07:33 PM.

[Tim East]

Two thumbs up just for the 08th MS Team shoutout.

Too bad I ran out of thumbs for the rest of the post though, since I always liked the cooling vest bit of lore, and found Snord's Irregulars to be one of the funnier canon stories.

[iNF3CT3D]

Top five most iconic for me

1. Atlas
2. Rifleman
3. Locust
4. Phoenix Hawk
5. Commando

[DrSlamastika]

ATLAS

[Shalune]

Fair warning: most of these iconic mechs are not nearly as good in combat as the two iconic mechs you have , There are lots of them, yes, but then PGI chose which mechs to put in game for a reason.

Inner Sphere:
Commando
Jenner
Raven
Hunchback
Dragon
Catapult
Jagermech
Orion
Awesome
Stalker
Highlander

Clan:
Kit Fox
Stormcrow
Mad Dog
Hellbringer
Summoner
War Hawk
Dire Wolf

[mark v92]

for me its:

clan:

timberwolf
maddog
summoner

IS:

raven
catapult
atlas