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Lord Letto, on 02 April 2015 - 09:00 AM, said:

Still Don't Know the Brand/Manufacturer of the PSU, I'll assume it's a Low End OEM Prebuilt Piece of ****, Therefore i'd Recomend Replacing the PSU with the GPU, For $240 i'd Recomend going with this: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 270 2GB DirectCU II Video Card ($143.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($85.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $229.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-02 12:57 EDT-0400

I think we can do better than that no reason to pay that price on the PSU sacrificing the GPU upgrade

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $234.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-02 13:03 EDT-0400

Or


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $229.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-02 13:06 EDT-0400

[S204STi]

Since you already have the chipset on hand, go for the R9 280x. You may want slightly more PSU with it, but for the money it's a solid choice.

[Lord Letto]

DV McKenna, on 02 April 2015 - 09:06 AM, said:

I think we can do better than that no reason to pay that price on the PSU sacrificing the GPU upgrade

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $234.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-02 13:03 EDT-0400

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $229.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-02 13:06 EDT-0400

I chose that PSU to be safe, Not saying the EVGA PSUs are bad or anything, but I think having a Tier 1 PSU while Spending under $100 would be Nice: http://elitegamingco...power-supplies/

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Seasonic 80PLUS Power Supply M12II 620 BRONZE PSU
There’s nothing like getting a modular 600+ watt 80Plus Bronze PSU made by a tier 1 power supply manufacturer for under $100. If you’re not planning on running dual video cards, overclocking, and running a bunch of other peripherals then you really won’t find a better PSU than the M12II. This PSU is seriously everything any moderate to high-end gamer could hope for.

Seasonic M12II 620W Specs

• Tier 1 PSU
  
• 620W Max Power
  
• 80Plus Bronze Certified for high efficiency
  
• Ample +12V outputs
  
• Active Power Factor Correction
  
• Double Forward Converter Design
  
• Uses highly reliable Japanese brand capacitors for durability and stability
  
• Modular design helps with cable management
  
• 12cm ball bearing cooling fan makes for excellent cooling
  
• Compatible for SLI/CrossFireX setups
  
• 5 Year Limited Warranty

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Lord Letto, on 02 April 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

I chose that PSU to be safe, Not saying the EVGA PSUs are bad or anything, but I think having a Tier 1 PSU while Spending under $100 would be Nice: http://elitegamingco...power-supplies/

The problem with such is "Tier 1" is subjective site to site. having an OCZ PSU listed as Tier 1 is also somewhat questionable!

[Surn]

FYI, the new DirectX systems have been influenced heavily by AMD's MANTLE technology. The New AMD cards (280x, 290..etc...) will have a better shelf life than the latest round of "catch up to AMD circa 2014" cards by NVidia.

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MechregSurn, on 02 April 2015 - 09:29 AM, said:

FYI, the new DirectX systems have been influenced heavily by AMD's MANTLE technology. The New AMD cards (280x, 290..etc...) will have a better shelf life than the latest round of "catch up to AMD circa 2014" cards by NVidia.

Rubbish.

For one, the 280X is not a new card, its a refresh 7000 series from last generation.
DX 12 has been in development longer than Mantle (now dead), and Direct X will be Direct X with no favoritism of brand.

the Maxwell 900 series outstripped the R9 200 series cards.

Story ends.

We don't do fan boys here, we do facts.

Edited by DV McKenna, 02 April 2015 - 09:47 AM.

[xWiredx]

DV McKenna, on 02 April 2015 - 09:47 AM, said:

We don't do fan boys here, we do facts.

Most of the time, anyway.

The worst feeling is watching the occasional trainwreck where, despite sound advice from everybody else, a fanboy asking for help will take advice from another fanboy. Then they drink their kool-aid together and get louder and it's more work for those of us that just want some sanity.

The 280X is a rebranded 7970 GhZ Edition. Can't knock its performance, but seriously... last year it was not leaps and bounds beyond anything Nvidia did, and it certainly wasn't new, either (that was released as the 280X in 2013 and the 7970 is 2012). It was slightly worse than the GTX 770, which was essentially the card of that Nvidia generation that it was poised against. It is not unusual for the top-tier card of one generation to become the 2nd best or 3rd best (mid-tier) of the next generation (especially when doing a simple rebrand).

Having said that, it is still the best bang for the buck if OP wants to buy a card that's still NIB probably. At least, right now. I know a lot of people are waiting for the new AMD generation to come out to see if they can get something better, but I don't know how far out that date is.

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xWiredx, on 02 April 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

Most of the time, anyway.

The worst feeling is watching the occasional trainwreck where, despite sound advice from everybody else, a fanboy asking for help will take advice from another fanboy. Then they drink their kool-aid together and get louder and it's more work for those of us that just want some sanity.

The 280X is a rebranded 7970 GhZ Edition. Can't knock its performance, but seriously... last year it was not leaps and bounds beyond anything Nvidia did, and it certainly wasn't new, either (that was released as the 280X in 2013 and the 7970 is 2012). It was slightly worse than the GTX 770, which was essentially the card of that Nvidia generation that it was poised against. It is not unusual for the top-tier card of one generation to become the 2nd best or 3rd best (mid-tier) of the next generation (especially when doing a simple rebrand).

Having said that, it is still the best bang for the buck if OP wants to buy a card that's still NIB probably. At least, right now. I know a lot of people are waiting for the new AMD generation to come out to see if they can get something better, but I don't know how far out that date is.

The 280X is definitely a good card, but trying to pass it off as new is....well...foolish because it's not.

[KhanJames]

(all based off my own search for a new graphics card and recent system build along with previous ones (aka I stuff off top of my head and memory so i might be off a bit))

In terms of parts any tier system is generally only as reliable as quality control (IE they may have the "best PSU" for under 100 but if poor quality control it might fail within a week of use.


For graphics

I would say unless you need it now the R9 300 series is going to be coming out soon supposedly q2 2015), so wait and see what they have/ price and also should drop the price of the "old" r9 200 series cards.

And yes there were only a few "new" cards in the r9 200 series (one of the R7s, +285,290,290x only as far as i remember(the new ones all had "true audio" AFIK)) but considering how people (atleast on the forums) claim to be getting good fps with old cards the tweaks AMD made might be suffiecent

Also depending on how good they are nvidea might lower there prices to compete.

Dx 12 is also going to be out soon and (fingers crossed but highly unlikely) ive heard that since it operates on "hardware level" it should be able to use nividea and amd cards together (like sli/crossfire). Again thats just a theory/rumor/hope because the entire point is to allow direct hardware acess to programs vs dependance on AMD/Nvideas software. (if true however it would be well worth it to wait)

Also DX12 and mantle are based off similar concepts (getting more towards "hardware" use/optimisation vs programming dependance they began develompment at similar timeframes so saying heavily influenced is a bit of a misnomer.

Also last i heard mantle as mantle is dead but its being rewritten into somethign else.

[GentlemanBryan]

(2) gtx 980

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MAVRICK64, on 02 April 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

(2) gtx 980

Because that fits inside a $240 budget

Edited by DV McKenna, 02 April 2015 - 10:44 AM.

[GentlemanBryan]

$140 is not realistic.

[KhanJames]

For got to mention I just upgraded from FX 8350 to the 5820 myself and its awesome for mwo. just switching the rpocessor kept my video card (r9 270 clocked up to 270x) and my fps gained about 10-15 but more importantly there stable fps. ie before smoke/particles and turning to fast would drop me down to about 20-30 but now the lowest i go (aside from initial drop in CW) is 65 with all my video settings turned to atleast high on 1920x1080.

Ive used EVGA PSUs with both builds and both were great paid about 100-120 each and there both fully modular platinums. Seasonic ive heard good things about but the only one i saw that really stuck me as memorable was there fanless model, but i believe that one was ruled out because it only supported around 500w vs 750-1050 for the evgas.

(also not sure if its double lan or the software for it but the Asus x99 Deluxe dropped my ping for mid 70s to high 50s low 60s)

Finally anyone who tells you you need to crossfire 980s is either trying for a 4k build, high, or so rich they dont understand the concept of a budget.

[GentlemanBryan]

I understand the budget thing but if you are going to play FPS games like MWO you need the power to play. It is what it is....Don't waste your money ($140) on something that will make you drink due to frustration

Edited by MAVRICK64, 02 April 2015 - 10:25 AM.

[s0hno]

1. A constant framerate of more than 40 fps should be ok
2. If you gonna buy a new PC anyway and don't need Hyperthreading and some of the advanced Instruction Sets, there's no need to get an i7. Get an i5 instead and invest the money in a proper power supply or cpu cooler, for example.

[GentlemanBryan]

Look at the spec's and make sure your GPU is DX12 ready.

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MAVRICK64, on 02 April 2015 - 10:24 AM, said:

I understand the budget thing but if you are going to play FPS games like MWO you need the power to play. It is what it is....Don't waste your money ($140) on something that will make you drink due to frustration

In a game that is CPU bound the GPU is of lesser importance.
a 960/280 will play the game perfectly fine at 1080P backed up by the right CPU.

[KhanJames]

(he said he had the Pc already)

As i said i have a r9 270 and with a minor overclock it does quite well in mwo. So i would disagree with power to play, they better card will make it better to play but your looking at (minimum) double the budget for the graphics card which isnt really viable. Also its debateable since based off how long dx10 integration took a new high end card or (ultra high end) sli for mwo is debateable when midrange is the price range.

[GentlemanBryan]

MWO will not be the only game you will play - lets be realistic. Build it right now and save money later.

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MAVRICK64, on 02 April 2015 - 10:33 AM, said:

MWO will not be the only game you will play - lets be realistic. Build it right now and save money later.

Which a 960/280 will still play fine at 1080P.

a budget is a budget if you cant offer advice inside that budget don't.

He can't afford one 980 let alone two.(totally unnecessary for 1080P)