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[NUJRSYDEVIL]

The Hero mech is in theory suppose to be the best available mech for each design due to generous quirks and/or hardpoints you wouldn't normally find on the normal versions of the chassis.

What chassis variants in your opinion outperform their Hero equivalents?

My shortlist is:

Firestarter A/H > Ember

Jagermech DD > Firebrand

Cicada 3M > The X-5

Atlas D-DC > The Boar's Head

Awesome (almost every variant) > Pretty Baby

Please add some of yours.

[NRP]

Almost all of them.

[luxebo]

Heroes are only there to add some new flavor to the chassis, like the Boar's Head expanding the speed limit farther (71.3 kph), along with more energy hardpoints for the lack of tonnage, while other Atlases are more reliant on ballistics/missiles. Ember is also there to give some more ballistic options, which basically mandates 4 MGs there with some energy. Other Firestarters were limited to pure energy.

Edited by luxebo, 11 April 2015 - 01:25 PM.

[InspectorG]

Easier to list the ones that are better than the other variants:

Some of this is role specific.

Pirate's Bay

Oxide

Death's Knell

Huginn

Wang

Grid Iron

Loup de Guerre

(skip the heavies)

Misery

Dragon Slayer


If Heros were meant to be better outright, people would be crying P2W all day every day.

[MarineTech]

NUJRSYDEVIL, on 11 April 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

The Hero mech is in theory suppose to be the best available mech for each design due to generous quirks and/or hardpoints you wouldn't normally find on the normal versions of the chassis.

Since when?

[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

IV-4 is the worst IS heavy currently.

InspectorG, on 11 April 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

Loup De Guerre

well no,this mech looks only good on paper.

if it had all the missile hardpoints in the torso,it would be very good,even comp level good.

[InspectorG]

Cookiemonter669, on 12 April 2015 - 03:43 AM, said:

IV-4 is the worst IS heavy currently.



well no,this mech looks only good on paper.

if it had all the missile hardpoints in the torso,it would be very good,even comp level good.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...7ede1d133bef618

GMan puts it in his T2 for IS. (he has no T1 for IS mediums in comparison to the Stormcrow)

I think his lists decently show whats viable and not. Ive used the builds to good effect.

[TercieI]

InspectorG, on 11 April 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

Easier to list the ones that are better than the other variants:

Some of this is role specific.

Pirate's Bay

Oxide

Death's Knell

Huginn

Wang

Grid Iron

Loup de Guerre

(skip the heavies)

Misery

Dragon Slayer


If Heros were meant to be better outright, people would be crying P2W all day every day.

Not a bad listing but the LCT-1E is better than the Pirate's Bane. Not even close, actually.

[Tarogato]

Almost all the Heros are inferior to a standard variant. Here's ones that you missed.

LCT-1E > Pirates Bane
DRG-1N > Fang/Flame
RVN-2X > Huginn
CDA-2B/3M > X-5
QKD-5K > IV4
BNC-3E/3M > La Malinche
CTF-3D > Ilya Muromets
BJ-1/1x > The Arror
SDR-all > Anansi
VND-1AA > St. Ives Blues
SHD-2K > Gray Death



... the only Hero's that might at least compete for the best variant...

Oxide
Deaths Knell
Loup de Guerre
Grid Iron
Protector
Dragon Slayer
Yen Lo Wang

... not very many.

[Appogee]

NUJRSYDEVIL, on 11 April 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

The Hero mech is in theory suppose to be the best available mech for each design due to generous quirks and/or hardpoints you wouldn't normally find on the normal versions of the chassis.

No, they're not.

If Hero Mechs were ostensibly better than stock variants, then this game would be "pay to win".

Which it isn't.

In my opinion, the only Hero Mechs which are (accidentally) better than their stock variants are:

• Ilya Murmets. The 3D used to be better thanks to its Jump Jets. But the meta of the past year has favoured the Chainsaw Ilya's sheer DPS capabilities.
  
• Huggin. Thanks to quirks, it's probably slightly better than the quirked 2X and 3L Just slightly.
  
• Pirate's Bane. Its weapon loadout is inferior to other variants. But it gets the benefit of ECM.
  
• Grid Iron. But only after the crazy Gauss quirks, which will no doubt be toned down just after I buy one .

In the 'close, but no' category:

• Jenner Oxide is equal to the F.
  
• Victor DS is equally uncompetitive as other Victors.
  
• Yen Lo Wang is eclipsed by the Loyalty AH.
  
• Misery is still beaten by Stalker 9N and 3F.

Edited by Appogee, 13 April 2015 - 07:13 AM.

[warner2]

Yeah no, that isn't the theory, at all.

[Mad Ox]

Each one has it plus and minuses there a different flavor from whats already there.

Have almost every Hero in game and each one I have found to fit into the game. With exception of ECM giving a mech a good bump in usefulness. Pre quirks there were some real painful Heros but now that quirks are being filtered in really can make each work. Only real limitation is the pilot hero designed for game style your not into well then it will be a very bad purchase option for you.
and Pilot aside add on the boosted credits and well your still going to make more credits with a Hero.

[Frytrixa]

You can add

Kintaro > GoldenBoy

(Max Engine Rating on all Kintaros are higher except GB)

[InspectorG]

Terciel1976, on 13 April 2015 - 06:09 AM, said:

Not a bad listing but the LCT-1E is better than the Pirate's Bane. Not even close, actually.

Agreed but i was also thinking utility as a ECM boat for CW.

At the moment, E is THE Locust to roll in.

Appogee, on 13 April 2015 - 07:03 AM, said:

• Misery is still beaten by Stalker 9N and 3F.

I think some prefer the Misery to the N/F for brawling.

[TercieI]

InspectorG, on 13 April 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

Agreed but i was also thinking utility as a ECM boat for CW.

At the moment, E is THE Locust to roll in.

Yep. Makes me sad what they did to the 3M. For my money, the Pirate's Bane is a nigh perfect hero: there's something unique about it that makes it situationally preferable but it's not straight OP. My other favorite example is Sparky. It's good, but also different than the main Griffins.

[DrSlamastika]

NUJRSYDEVIL, on 11 April 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

The Hero mech is in theory suppose to be the best available mech for each design due to generous quirks and/or hardpoints you wouldn't normally find on the normal versions of the chassis.

What chassis variants in your opinion outperform their Hero equivalents?

My shortlist is:

Firestarter A/H > Ember

Jagermech DD > Firebrand

Cicada 3M > The X-5

Atlas D-DC > The Boar's Head

Awesome (almost every variant) > Pretty Baby

Please add some of yours.

agree . . .

for me it's also

Cataphract 4X > ILYA MUROMETS ( just my personal opinion but ILYA is second one. )

[focuspark]

NUJRSYDEVIL, on 11 April 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

The Hero mech is in theory suppose to be the best available mech for each design due to generous quirks and/or hardpoints you wouldn't normally find on the normal versions of the chassis.

Absolutely untrue.

[TercieI]

DrSlamastika, on 13 April 2015 - 02:33 PM, said:

agree . . .

for me it's also

Cataphract 4X > ILYA MUROMETS ( just my personal opinion but ILYA is second one. )

Never was first. The 3D was always better until they broke JJ, too.

[eFTy]

Shame nobody here thought of mentioning the sparky. It's the only Griffin I've driven for the past 6 months.

[Questia]

Well, speaking of Sparky...

Brawls? GRF-3M > GRF-1E [Sparky]
Because 4 ASRM4 + 2 MPL 3M is still greater than any form of Pulse Laser boating on the Sparky under 270m.

Medium-range poking? GRF-1E [Sparky] > GRF-3M
There's a reason why the Sparky is known as the IS' own version of Stormcrow laservomit, after all. IS tech, yes, but it has JJs.

So... unsure here.

Edited by Questia, 16 April 2015 - 02:35 AM.