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#21 Alistair Winter

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 07:50 PM

The sun is back! Don't stare directly at it! It's... so pretty...

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View PostSpheroid, on 05 May 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:

Why is the location near a blue giant? The radiation environment would be insanely intense.
Bad for both electronics and human life.

Well, I'm not sure all these maps PGI has created are entirely realistic, to be honest. Some of those moons / planets seen in the sky look a tad too close for comfort, especially on River City.

And why does the near-vacuum on HPG Manifold dissipate heat so efficiently?

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 07:52 PM

>And why does the near-vacuum on HPG Manifold dissipate heat so efficiently?

but muh space cold!

#23 Lightfoot

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 08:06 PM

Rigel.

#24 Lightfoot

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 08:13 PM

View PostAlistair Winter, on 05 May 2015 - 07:50 PM, said:

The sun is back! Don't stare directly at it! It's... so pretty...

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Well, I'm not sure all these maps PGI has created are entirely realistic, to be honest. Some of those moons / planets seen in the sky look a tad too close for comfort, especially on River City.

And why does the near-vacuum on HPG Manifold dissipate heat so efficiently?


It's cold. Space dosen't transmit heat well either so the shadow side of objects will be near absolute zero for that area of space. So even is it's not shedding heat well the heatsinks are near the absolute cold for that area which is about -200F to -290F most likely.

#25 Alistair Winter

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 08:16 PM

View PostLightfoot, on 05 May 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:


It's cold. Space dosen't transmit heat well either so the shadow side of objects will be near absolute zero for that area of space. So even is it's not shedding heat well the heatsinks are near the absolute cold for that area which is about -200F to -290F most likely.

Which would explain why we start the match with 0% heat capacity. But does it explain why we cool down so fast on this map compared to other maps?

#26 Y E O N N E

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 08:24 PM

If it dissipated realistically, we'd get to fire our guns for about 15 seconds and then spend the next day or so cooling off through the only process that works in vacuum without an expendable sink of some sort: radiation.

#27 bad arcade kitty

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 08:35 PM

lasers are the light radiation
they should cool down your mech!

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 09:16 PM

View Postbad arcade kitty, on 05 May 2015 - 08:35 PM, said:

lasers are the light radiation
they should cool down your mech!


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#29 LordKnightFandragon

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 12:38 PM

It sure is a small ass map.

#30 Lightfoot

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 01:30 PM

View PostYeonne Greene, on 05 May 2015 - 08:24 PM, said:

If it dissipated realistically, we'd get to fire our guns for about 15 seconds and then spend the next day or so cooling off through the only process that works in vacuum without an expendable sink of some sort: radiation.


I assure you that is not the case. Cold works the same everywhere. Don't plan on any trips to Saturn's moon's with your Bic lighter for heating because there is no atmosphere to transfer the heat away. You'll find you freeze much faster there than Antarctica.

Or have you ever been on a mountain above 15,000 feet? The sun comes out and you are roasting, it goes behind a little white cloud for a few seconds and the temperature drops by 20-30 degrees. In Space the temperature shifts are much more severe where the sunlight side of an object can be 212F while the shadow side is 200 below. Depends on how close to the sun you are of course.

Edited by Lightfoot, 06 May 2015 - 01:42 PM.


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Posted 06 May 2015 - 02:26 PM

View PostLightfoot, on 06 May 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:


I assure you that is not the case. Cold works the same everywhere. Don't plan on any trips to Saturn's moon's with your Bic lighter for heating because there is no atmosphere to transfer the heat away. You'll find you freeze much faster there than Antarctica.

Or have you ever been on a mountain above 15,000 feet? The sun comes out and you are roasting, it goes behind a little white cloud for a few seconds and the temperature drops by 20-30 degrees. In Space the temperature shifts are much more severe where the sunlight side of an object can be 212F while the shadow side is 200 below. Depends on how close to the sun you are of course.


When there is no atmosphere or other material to convect or conduct the heat away from a hot object, it takes a relatively long time for it to leave the system through radiation. Now, I will freeze if you expose me to open vacuum in shadow, but I'm also a A.) only 37 degrees Celsius and B.) a very poor retainer of heat. Even with the amazing heat differential between my temperature and about 3-15 degrees above absolute zero, It's not even close to an instantaneous flash-freeze. It's going to take several [painful] minutes. Furthermore, a planet or other massive celestial body has a large amount of matter in which to sink the heat. So the surface may become hot during the day, but as soon as it stops getting shined on the heat transfers to the cooler inner portions of the crust (or even the core if it isn't molten) with nothing new coming in. The planet is also always radiating heat, which is how it doesn't just become a slag ball. Planet gets exposed to too much energy, and it does become a slag-ball precisely because it can't get rid of the heat fast enough through radiation to maintain system temperature below freezing levels (note, we're talking about freezing levels for something like iron or nickel). If you could rush air or coolant over it, it could stay cold longer because that's a much more time-efficient form of cooling than radiation.

Here's a website that can teach you all about rocketry and what's necessary to consider for operating in space. Its sections are amalgamations of work and interviews with real-world scientists and engineers in this field. The removal of waste heat in space is a very real problem, especially if you need to do it quickly and without creating a massive combat-related weakness.

Now, the 'Mechs in this game could be conducting the heat through their feet into the ground, but then it would have to be assumed that all 'Mechs have sinks in their legs and we'd all have to benefit from standing in water, too, regardless of the presence of sinks there in the MechLab.

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 03:44 PM

View PostLightfoot, on 06 May 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:


I assure you that is not the case. Cold works the same everywhere. Don't plan on any trips to Saturn's moon's with your Bic lighter for heating because there is no atmosphere to transfer the heat away. You'll find you freeze much faster there than Antarctica.


i'm afraid you don't understand the means how heat is transmitted. it's not some magical transmission, you either radiate energy (for a human body with infrared radiation) or you should be in a direct contact with some physical object (for instance a planet surface or atmosphere), then by the second law of thermodynamics you will share your heat with them so your molecules begin to move slower and their faster, the speed of that process depends on the area of the contact, thermal conductivity and the temperature difference and is nowhere near instant but can be very slow

a human body radiates infrared heat as long as its alive, it's a very inefficient way to lose heat, so you have a proper way to avoid overheating, it's perspiration

so if you isolate your feet relatively well (and you have to do it to avoid chilblain) you will rather have a problem how not to boil in your space suit because your body generates a lot of heat. you obviously can use the surface to cool down your space suit...

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 04:12 PM

View Postbad arcade kitty, on 05 May 2015 - 02:16 PM, said:

with that size it's not a sun... it's a gas planet

no representation of depth to determine distance from the star, so for all you know that star could be 20 AU across.

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 04:17 PM

View PostStonefalcon, on 06 May 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

no representation of depth to determine distance from the star, so for all you know that star could be 20 AU across.


what about its ridiculous angular size, how do you explain it

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 04:41 PM

Our 'Mechs must have some super-polarized glass to prevent the star from blinding the pilots, too. Blue giants are some of the brightest visible-light objects in the galaxy, and the blue tint is harsh on the eyes all by itself.

Also, choosing to light a red planet with blue light was cruel, PGI.





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