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[cplkillem]

So I have been playing World of tanks for over a year now (~1700 matches in) so I do not consider myself a newb to FTPgames.

In typical FTP you start with cheaper gear (in this instance it will be mechs), and you will have to unlock better mechs and earn money to buy them. In world of tanks, you start with a tier 1 tank. You accrue XP to unlock upgrades and better tanks while earning money (used to repair your tank, buy ammunition and upgrades). At the start, money is never an issue. You simply make more money then you need to repair and rearm your cheaper low end, entry tank (you may have to grind a little to earn enough $ to buy that next, tier tank but you end up with a profit from every match). This makes sense, a new player needs to be able to cut his teeth, get the feel of the game, try different classes to see what suits their fancy and frankly, get hooked.

As you progress in world of tanks, as you get to arround tier 7 things have changed greatly. If you have a bad round you loose alot of money (you may not make enough to repair your tank, let alone pay for ammunition to replace what you expended), while on a good round you may break even or make a small profit. Leading to 3 play options,
1) stick to playing with tier 6 and below tanks, rarely earn less virtual money in a match then it costs you to play the round and be happy

2) Play multiple lower level tier matches to build up some cash reserves then play with the tier 7+ tank until the reserves run out, then go back to grinding lower tiers to rebuild the reserve.

3) buy a premium account and or premium tank. to greatly decrease the amout of farming needed to generate the required cashflow to compete in higher tier matches.

Premium accounts let you earn more $ and they also let you earn more XP (sound familiar?). In short, a premium account at the beginning serves no purposes but to help you get thru the lower tiers quicker, while later on, a premium account lets you play higher tiers without having to grind money with lower tier'd matches.

Please oh please let me buy into the founders program, but let me choose when I want my account to be a premium account. I am more then happy grinding thru the lower level/beginning tiers at a normal pace, without the premium account. I am concerned if I have a premium account at the beginning, I'll fly thru the lower ranks and when I need the premium account the most, it'll expire. For this reason, today, it makes no sense for me to buy in to the founders program, but wait until the ~2 month mark and just buy a premium account then (if at all).

with this simple little change, you'll get more money out of me (and I suspect others) in the long run....

Edited by cplkillem, 04 July 2012 - 07:02 AM.

[Xune]

If all you are intrested in are your own selfish reasons and the 3 Months of premium your not the target audiance of the "Founder" pack anyway.

[RedHairDave]

so you dont wana buy founders because you will get premium when you might not need it? that sounds like a bad reason to not buy. just get premium again when you think you need it, use the faster grind time at the beginning to see if you need it at all. there wont be tiers as such, so dont think it will be like tanks.\

keeping premium going wont be expensive, why not just support the game for the long run. it will be worth your time. if you put in a few hours a week you will make it back(sorta, every hour you play on premium, its 30 minutes you get for free, take your wage at work, and figure how long it takes for your time to be more valuable than premium. for me its instantly. so it makes sense to for me to go premium as my time is more valuable than the minimal premium amount.)

[Quintus Allard]

Having the freedom of toggling on and off premium account time is a dream. Perfect for the player but unfortunately less profitable for the Game.

Of course to balance it, instead of having a month of premium you could have, let's say, 14 days of premium time that you assign yourself for the same price.

More granularity (premium time hours) could also work... but would be harder to manage.

[cplkillem]

lol, I think you need to look up the definition of selfish... you bought it for selfish reasons, otherwise you would have simply donated the money...

If money grew on trees and I wasn't tight on $$ maybe I could afford to drop 250$ on this game, but I can't afford it (and I cannot justify it to my wife). I could afford to frop 60 on the founders pack, then maybe another 30$ down the line to extend the premium account. but if the account goes premium off the bat, that initial 60$ won't have served me any good... Not everyone wants to race thru the initial/lower tiers.

Quintus Allard, on 04 July 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:

Having the freedom of toggling on and off premium account time is a dream. Perfect for the player but unfortunately less profitable for the Game.

Of course to balance it, instead of having a month of premium you could have, let's say, 14 days of premium time that you assign yourself for the same price.

More granularity (premium time hours) could also work... but would be harder to manage.

honestly, I don't even want to be able to toggle it on and off... I'm fine with once it being on, it's on regardless of whether I log in or not. I'm just looking to let me decide when it starts to be premium rather then have the devs decide for me.

Edited by cplkillem, 04 July 2012 - 07:12 AM.

[Nairdowell]

Major part of your premise is that MWO will be exactly like WoT... you seriously need to rethink that....

and no one is twisting anybody's arm over buying into the Founder's program.... if you have your personal reasons for not doing it... fine.... just spare the rest of us the whining that seems to always accompany these threads....

<steps back off soapbox to patiently wait for Aug 7>

Edited by Nairdowell, 04 July 2012 - 07:14 AM.

[BaneReIIiK]

cplkillem, on 04 July 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

otherwise you would have simply donated the money...

I did donate the $120 to the devs since they work their collective *** off to make this thing awesome. Luckily they gave me cool stuff in return.

Edited by BaneReIIiK, 04 July 2012 - 07:14 AM.

[cplkillem]

Nairdowell, on 04 July 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

Major part of your premise is that MWO will be exactly like WoT... you seriously need to rethink that....

Sadly, due to the NDA, you are right, I can only go on what the devs have released, and what they've released line it up pretty well with WoT. Earn XP and in game curency to unlock and buy/repair mechs better and better mechs. No way would the devs be so dumb as to make you NEED a premium account to start, they've openly said, it isn't "pay to win"

[shadowhawk102]

buy or don't, it is up to the person, i don't have any other hobbies so the money on the founder pack for me is a way to be able to get into the game faster and enjoy it with out the lower lvl grind.not that i wont grind the lower lvl, but it will be faster and will allow me to get the bigger units in a more timely fashion.

BaneReIIiK, on 04 July 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

I did donate the $120 to the devs since they work their collective *** off to make this thing awesome. Luckily they gave me cool stuff in return.

ditto.

[cplkillem]

BaneReIIiK, on 04 July 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

I did donate the $120 to the devs since they work their collective *** off to make this thing awesome. Luckily they gave me cool stuff in return.

OHHHHHHHH so it was also about getting things in return... sounds selfish.

Someone who wasn't selfish would have donated the money for NOTHING in return, or maybe even bought the founders program for someone else, you know, if they didn't want/care for anything in return....

I'm just saying, you gave em money for something in return... I'm also looking to give them money for something in return, I just want to decide when my account gets flipped to premium rather then have someone else decide for me, nothing more.

[Dispiritor]

You don't have to spend the maximum(or at all and skip founders if you are uncertain)... perhaps get veteran or elite? mechs are the same anyway aside from the lifetime mech % income boost and skin.

I suppose if there will be tier stuff it will be in equipment/weapons, but that level of detail hasn't been revealed as far as i know. As for premium account... once you have tons of cbills... and have everything you "need", would you still want to maintain premium? depends on the rate of content delivery i suppose. all of which we'll have to wait and see...

[Belorion]

Founders =/= Premium account. They will have a premium account later, so if that is what you want get a premium account later.

Also, this is not WoT... hopefully once the game comes out this difference will become more apparent. This isn't going to be a game where you get higher teir mechs latter in the game.

[Talenvar]

OP, the other thing to think about, as Nairdowell was pointing out, is that this isn't WoT. You don't have 'tiers' here in the WoT sense. In buying the founders pack, you get the training required to get to the mechs you have as part of the package so there's less grinding there, if I understood Russ correctly.

The premium time will let you grind out for other modules you will want while others will be spending time still trying to get to just get to the mechs, all the while building c-bills faster than them too.

Just something else to think about.

[Shredhead]

Stop flaming. All the OP wants in a quite long wall of text is, broken down, to be able to activate his premium account when he likes, not automatically starting it on August 7th. I support this, and there have been some other threads discussing the very same matter. I think an answer beyond "we're looking into it" by the Devs is still missing.

Calm down, guys...

[BaneReIIiK]

cplkillem, on 04 July 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

OHHHHHHHH so it was also about getting things in return... sounds selfish. Someone who wasn't selfish would have donated the money for NOTHING in return, or maybe even bought the founders program for someone else, you know, if they didn't want/care for anything in return.... I'm just saying, you gave em money for something in return... I'm also looking to give them money for something in return, I just want to decide when my account gets flipped to premium rather then have someone else decide for me, nothing more.

Maybe they'll change it for you before the packs are no longer for sale. I'll see the rest of you in the Legendary Founder's Lounge.

[1stStrike86]

...is it just me, or is there anyone else just stop reading a post as soon as "WoT" appears?

[Helmer]

Shredhead, on 04 July 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

Stop flaming. All the OP wants in a quite long wall of text is, broken down, to be able to activate his premium account when he likes, not automatically starting it on August 7th. I support this, and there have been some other threads discussing the very same matter. I think an answer beyond "we're looking into it" by the Devs is still missing.

Calm down, guys...

Agreed. Let's be a little more civil, shall we? Remember what we (should have) learned when we where little , "If you can't say something nice...."


The Founders pack also conveys a lifetime +25% C-Bill earning per match which, over the lifetime of the product, could be considerable amount of money.


Cheers

[Xune]

cplkillem, on 04 July 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

OHHHHHHHH so it was also about getting things in return... sounds selfish.

Someone who wasn't selfish would have donated the money for NOTHING in return, or maybe even bought the founders program for someone else, you know, if they didn't want/care for anything in return....

I'm just saying, you gave em money for something in return... I'm also looking to give them money for something in return, I just want to decide when my account gets flipped to premium rather then have someone else decide for me, nothing more.

I gave them the money so they could pay the bills and have a good starting found to run the game.
That was my main reason, getting some goodies on top was a plus. Dont Judge everyone by your standarts.

[Belorion]

Shredhead, on 04 July 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

Stop flaming. All the OP wants in a quite long wall of text is, broken down, to be able to activate his premium account when he likes, not automatically starting it on August 7th. I support this, and there have been some other threads discussing the very same matter. I think an answer beyond "we're looking into it" by the Devs is still missing.

Calm down, guys...

Simply put, if all he wants is a premium account later in the game, then he should get a premium account later in the game. Not everyone needs a founders package. If thats not exactly what he is looking for then don't get it.

[cplkillem]

Shredhead, on 04 July 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

Stop flaming. All the OP wants in a quite long wall of text is, broken down, to be able to activate his premium account when he likes, not automatically starting it on August 7th. I support this, and there have been some other threads discussing the very same matter. I think an answer beyond "we're looking into it" by the Devs is still missing.

Calm down, guys...

cool, thanks. I am glad to hear the devs are looking into it.