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[Night Thastus]

Share yours here!

6x Small Pulse, 1x UAC/20
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...727d6cf1c40c9cd

2x ER Medium, 2x UAC/10
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...347835d12ce1de9

4x Medium Pulse, 2x UAC/5
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...de3ca354d6637dd

4x ER Medium, 2x UAC/5
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...73c133255939c62

2x ER Large, 2x UAC/5
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...63ea2d4f5768131

2x Large Pulse, 4x ER Medium (It's a timberwolf wannabee. It has the same weapons, but 2 less heatsinks. Same armor, smaller profile. AND no negative quirks. Excellent replacement)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...71958ad2da8fad7

2x Guass (WARNING: NO BACKUP WEAPONS)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...08acc14e2904b53

6x Small Pulse, 3x UAC/2 (WARNING: NOT HEAT EFFICIENT)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...89d744b7ef2bd0c

6x Medium Pulse, 2x UAC/2 (WARNING: NOT HEAT EFFICIENT)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...72cf3dde9309dc7

3x UAC/5
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4dd04a407622662

2x UAC/20 (WARNING: NOT ENOUGH AMMO)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b9e8c709f8c7397

1x Gauss, 2x ER Large (WARNING: NOT ENOUGH "OOMPH")
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b5d23f743adb320

1x Gauss, 6x Small Pulse
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d37e493cd535572

1x Gauss, 6x ER Medium
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...55f10b2306303f5

3x LB-X2, 6x Small Pulse (Edited version of Shadey99's build for no ghost heat + different ammo distribution)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c064b303cac84d6

2x ER PPC, 2x A-LRM15 (wat)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f3a3e8590baf1ad

2x ER PPC, 2x LB-X2
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...3d2efa9b54a70a8

Edited by Night Thastus, 17 June 2015 - 09:23 AM.

[Mad Dog Morgan]

EBON JAGUAR EBJ-A "Ankou"
Ran this one to moderate/decent success.

EBON JAGUAR EBJ-PRIME "Dagda"
Ran this one fairly successfully. The high-mounted large lasers make it a great sniper. Recommend toying around with alternate builds and possibly rearranging hardpoints to your liking.

EBON JAGUAR EBJ-B "Balor"
The predictable laser vomit setup. Assume it will do well.

EBON JAGUAR EBJ-B "Balor" Mod 0
Same alpha as the other Balor, better sustained DPS, and slightly better cooling.

EBON JAGUAR EBJ-C "Chulainn"
The streak boater. Want to vaporize lights? Suppress foes at a distance? Here you go.

EBON JAGUAR EBJ-C "Chulainn" Mod 0
More for fire support and long-distance suppression. Slightly less ammo-dependent than the previous build.

[Shadey99]

I posted this elsewhere, but...

EBJ-PRIME
Fast Dual Gauss along the lines of the Yagers. You can trade some ammo for lasers, but... You probably want the extra double shots.

EBJ-A
Triple UAC5 with a triplet of SPLs for some extra close in punch.

EBJ-B
Absolutely brutal and massively overly hot... 4xLPL+3xMPL. You constantly run the redline of heat, but you can literally strip a mech apart in seconds.

EBJ-B
7xMPL... I run a Timbie with the same loadout in nearly identical positions...

EBJ-B
Higher than cockpit ER PPC for hill hump sniping. Everything else is for up close brawling and if you can manage your heat well you should take people apart.

EBJ-B
Three ER PPCs specifically for sniping, the SPLs are solely for close up work against things like lights.

EBJ-A
This is actually a build I made for close in brawling style work. The Triple LB2-X is for range or once you've striped the armor off of someone and with their brutal ROF anything without armor is doomed. The 2xMPL and 5xSPL makes you a solid hitter up close.

[grendeldog]

So first I ran a 2 UAC/5 + 3 ERML + 1 ERLL build on the prime variant using some other omnipods. Then I ran a standard 2 LPL + 4 ERML build on the B like this.

However, I got to thinking about the same build but asymmetrically designed - something like this. Has anybody tried out an asymmetrical build yet on this chassis? It is a pretty symmetrical mech, at least if you are going for maximum E hardpoints, but the difference between the two side torso omnipods would allow for shielding with that right arm.

Unfortunately going asymmetric with a right side build isn't really possible withe laser vomit. But I am interested in the left side build nonetheless, first because the arms are so large from the side and the mech is so squat that shielding should work, and second because it would put those LPL in the high mount above the cockpit for hill-humping and other sniping.

Any thoughts or first-hand experience?

Edited by grendeldog, 17 June 2015 - 02:51 PM.

[Tim East]

EBON JAGUAR EBJ-A
This little puppy just drilled through one KGC's face and another's back in a match on mining colony. I like the Ebon Jaguar so much; the way it feels reminds me of my old Uziel in MW4.

[RolfS]

My cataphract like build of ebon-jaguar, solid damage to anybody at all times
3 ac/5 ultra and 6 small lasers
EBON JAGUAR EBJ-PRIME


And then there is the my true Marauder build, clan version, well at least the armament is identical (and ebon looks a bit like marauder)
This build is supposed to replicate the original Marauder from battletech.
EBON JAGUAR EBJ-PRIME

Solid ER-PPC build for sniping, (remember to buy advanced zoom)
EBON JAGUAR EBJ-PRIME

Some other good build are of course to use an ebon with 6xML and a Gauss and the 4xLL ebon (sniping).

Edited by RolfS, 18 June 2015 - 06:31 AM.

[grendeldog]

grendeldog, on 17 June 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

So first I ran a 2 UAC/5 + 3 ERML + 1 ERLL build on the prime variant using some other omnipods. Then I ran a standard 2 LPL + 4 ERML build on the B like this.

However, I got to thinking about the same build but asymmetrically designed - something like this. Has anybody tried out an asymmetrical build yet on this chassis? It is a pretty symmetrical mech, at least if you are going for maximum E hardpoints, but the difference between the two side torso omnipods would allow for shielding with that right arm.

Unfortunately going asymmetric with a right side build isn't really possible withe laser vomit. But I am interested in the left side build nonetheless, first because the arms are so large from the side and the mech is so squat that shielding should work, and second because it would put those LPL in the high mount above the cockpit for hill-humping and other sniping.

Any thoughts or first-hand experience?

Turns out not to be the best build. I'm not sure exactly why, but I have much more success in the traditional, symmetrical las-puke build.

If I had to guess, I would say that the lower stance due to keeping my LPLs in the lower torso mounts helps. Additionally, I don't think that this mech has the side torso armor to tank that well with one side. It seems better to spread it all over.

Another factor is that the shield arm is chock full of four DHS. That means that you shield by losing cooling - not ideal. And you actually end up with fewer crit-able things per arm on the shield side because it's either four DHS or three DHS and two ERML.

Finally, due to the duration of the lasers - granted there's no duration quirks but simply the longer duration of clan las - you have to stare somewhat. This means that you can't really shield as well as you'd like, because you end up missing part of your burn.

I got plenty of good damage in this asymmetrical puke build - on par with the symmetrical at around 500 to 700 per game. But I died much faster, and so I killed less often.

Edited by grendeldog, 18 June 2015 - 07:34 AM.

[LMP]

It will hold slightly more weapons tonnage than a Timber Wolf but it's more fragile even with the armor maxed out.

[Foxwalker]

1 x UAC20 1xUAC5 5xER Small Lasers.

Build that works for me.

[Escef]

So far I've tried 2 builds in live matches. 2xUAC10, 2xSRM4, 1xERML on a completely Prime EBJ is... mixed results. Want to see how it works once fully skilled.

I've gotten good results from the EBJ-C with A arms podded in. 2xUAC5, 4xERSL, 2xSSRM6 http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9126ada140ab4eb

EDIT: That EBJ-C build can also be done with Prime Side torsos and A arms.

Edited by Escef, 18 June 2015 - 06:25 PM.

[Black Ivan]

Has somebody tried the EBJ as a pure muntions dependant variant?

I want to try: 2 AC5 Ultras+ 4 SRM6

[Zookeeper Dan]

I've had the best luck with a Gauss 6 ERML build on my EBJ-A. Not a lot of damage, but racks up the kills.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d1831f7c51a392b

After some searching, this is what I'm running on my EBJ-B. It's all about the wubs, 2 LPL's and 5 SPL's
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a8026284c2e6f37

I'm not having much luck finding an AC and Missile build for the Prime.

I started with 2 UAC5, 2 SSRM6, 1ML, Active Probe and TC. But it spreads damage too much.

Anyone have luck with either an UAC20 build or a 2 UAC10 build?
I like Escef's 2 UAC20, 2 SRM4, 1 ERML build. How does it play.
This was my thought for an UAC20 build with 2 ASRM6 and 3 ERML (using the B Left Arm Pod).
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c64a58bf5de4c58
It's also possible to drop a HS and the 3 ERML's for a single ERLL.

Edited by Danth Reduviid, 25 June 2015 - 09:14 AM.

[Escef]

Danth Reduviid, on 25 June 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

I like Escef's 2 UAC20, 2 SRM4, 1 ERML build. How does it play.

2xUAC10, not 20. It plays ok, but I haven't even gotten any elite skills on that one yet. So far I prefer 2xUAC5 (4 tons ammo), 4xERSL, 2xSSRM6 (2 tons ammo), Active Probe. Or the "MurderBorn" (build based on a common ILya Muromets, aka Murdermets, build), 3xUAC5 (6 tons ammo) with 3xERML (had to cut armor a bit to fit it all, though).

[Zookeeper Dan]

Escef, on 25 June 2015 - 01:17 PM, said:

2xUAC10, not 20. It plays ok, but I haven't even gotten any elite skills on that one yet. So far I prefer 2xUAC5 (4 tons ammo), 4xERSL, 2xSSRM6 (2 tons ammo), Active Probe. Or the "MurderBorn" (build based on a common ILya Muromets, aka Murdermets, build), 3xUAC5 (6 tons ammo) with 3xERML (had to cut armor a bit to fit it all, though).

Yeah, a typo there. Fitting two UAC20's would be a feat.

I'll have to try out your 2 UAC5 build with 4 ERSL. I don't have the EBJ-C pods but it looks like I could just use A's in the torsos instead.

[Raso]

I'm seriously considering picking one of these guys up and wanted to theorycraft a few builds. Figured I'd share.

This one here is an LRM Support design. It's meant to support from just behind the front line. I can swap out the LPS for a PPC for more long range combat. I'm unsure of the ammo store, however, and might bump each of the LRMs down a 5 to fit in extra ammo.

Another LRM build using the Prime as a base with small lasers in the arms for defense and mop up.

Here we have an LBX20 brawler centered around am LBX20 with medium lasers for some range because Clan medium lasers are cool like that.

Here's what I'm calling the Ebon Jager. Dual UAC10s and dual small lasers. 2 SLas shy of my old school JM6-S build.

This one's different. 3 LPL, 3 SLas and 3 Machine guns.

Not gonna lie. I'm a little miffed this out heavy out guns my Hellslinger.

And there here is an ERPPC sniper with small lasers for CQC.

[Escef]

Raso, on 26 June 2015 - 05:41 PM, said:

I'm seriously considering picking one of these guys up and wanted to theorycraft a few builds. Figured I'd share.

This one here is an LRM Support design. It's meant to support from just behind the front line. I can swap out the LPS for a PPC for more long range combat. I'm unsure of the ammo store, however, and might bump each of the LRMs down a 5 to fit in extra ammo.

Another LRM build using the Prime as a base with small lasers in the arms for defense and mop up.

Here we have an LBX20 brawler centered around am LBX20 with medium lasers for some range because Clan medium lasers are cool like that.

Your first LRM boat should be fine. I run ALRM50 (backed up with 4xML) on my BLR-1S with only 1 more ton of ammo and fewer heat sinks. If the ammo gets to be a problem you can cut a sink and should still be fine.

The second LRM build, IMO, has too much ammo, and is half a ton underweight. I'd replace one of your full tons of ammo with a half ton, and either swap out your ERSLs for SPLs or swap out ALL of your lasers for ERMLs.

Your LBX20 build I'd make one change to: move 2 tons of ammo from the torso to the right arm. As it is now, losing your left torso also silences the cannon, leaving you with a paltry 2xSPL to fight with. Not sure how often that situation will come up, but even once will suck.

[Plaguetongue]

2x ultra ac2
4x streak srm6
1x flamer

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b6ab3e789098187

this is how i whould do it, not cuz its best in any way but cuz its cool, ac2 for longrange, streaks for shortrange and a flamer cuz its cool

[Raso]

Could have sworn I stuck that half ton in there. Must have forgot. It actually looks like it might not have much worse heat efficiency with the MLas. Realistically they'd probably be better for a fire support role anyhow. I was thinking of using the small lasers for CQC if lights came in to harass me.

I do wonder if anyone has any thoughts or opinions on the Ebon Jaguar as an LRM support? I've read here and there that some people are of the opinion that clan LRMs are weak because of spread and the stream of missiles rather than the LRuMp you get with IS missiles. I like having different styled builds on each of my mechs and would definitely like try to run one of my Ebon Jaguars run as a LRM boat.

[Shadey99]

I'm not a fan of LRM builds on the Ebon Jaguars... Well they can technically be useful, the EBJ seems so much better in direct fire support, then lobbing lrms would achieve. I run a LRM40 Adder build (With 990 rounds of ammo), so it's not like I think LRMs are useless. I could maybe see a LRM40 (4xLRM10) build with heavy backup weapons may be useful, but it seems to low powered compared to the usefulness of a more direct fire loadout.

All that said... I've been playing with a new energy loadout and a few variations of it: Armored EBJ-B, Targeting EBJ-B, and MG EBJ-B. All three focus on their LPLs for shooting over small hills and should the enemy get cocky and charge they head straight into fire from 6 SPLs. With ~62 damage per alpha it will ruin someones day and against an XL design can in fact one shot it at less then 150m. It also runs fairly hot at max firing rate, but if given at least some time to cool down it has so far been pretty effective.

[Escef]

Raso, on 27 June 2015 - 06:05 AM, said:

I do wonder if anyone has any thoughts or opinions on the Ebon Jaguar as an LRM support? I've read here and there that some people are of the opinion that clan LRMs are weak because of spread and the stream of missiles rather than the LRuMp you get with IS missiles. I like having different styled builds on each of my mechs and would definitely like try to run one of my Ebon Jaguars run as a LRM boat.

LRMs themselves are very situational. On some maps, with even a little teamwork, they are deadly. On other maps they are just this side of useless.

Clan LRMs are more prone to being countered by AMS (which a lot of people don't use) than Inner Sphere LRMs due to the way the Clan missiles stream out, but make up for it with scaling damage under minimum range (as opposed to Spheroid LRMs with their hard minimum of 180 meters)