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[Contrabandit]

So short story, recently upgraded from a 2550k and now my frame rates drop considerably.
Before the upgrade the fps stayed in the 60+ area, now it drops into the 25's in a heavy fire fight and it turns into a less than enjoyable scenario. It also seems like i maybe getting some micro stuttering in game...

Upon upgrading i was expecting to see an improvement, the 2550k was under heavy load (around 90% continuous) in game.
Currently I am only seeing a 18% load on average. Currently all bios setting are stock other than manually setting my ram speed/timings
Is there some setting in the bios i might need to change?

Current Rig as follows

I7 5820k / Corsair H110i GTX
Asus Sabertooth X99
Corsair Vengance XLP 2666
Zotac GTX980 AMP
Intel SSD 530 240gb / Seagate Barracuda 1Tb
SeaSonic 1250XM
Samsung U28D590D
Corsair Obsidian 750D

Edited by Contrabandit, 01 July 2015 - 05:29 PM.

[Goose]

In no particular order:

• 90% load on a quad core means something; 18% on a hexacore with Hyperthreading can mean anything I want
  
• 400 MHz (3.6GHZ vs. 4 on the old 2550k, as per your sig) should have been broken even (maybe) with the improved Instruction Per Clock of the new chip: Maybe it spends a lot of time at lower Hz?

Take two of these, and call me in the morning:

sys_budget_sysmem = 5120
sys_budget_videomem = 4096
sys_MaxFPS = 71 or something
 
sys_budget_streamingthroughput = x * 1024
sys_LocalMemoryGeometryStreamingSpeedLimit = x
sys_LocalMemoryTextureStreamingSpeedLimit = x
sys_streaming_max_bandwidth = x
 
r_GeomInstancing = 1
r_multiGPU = 0
r_silhouettePOM = 0
r_stereodevice = 0
r_UsePOM = 0
 
sys_budget_soundCPU = 5
 
r_WaterUpdateThread = 2
sys_streaming_CPU = 4
sys_TaskThread0_CPU = 0
sys_TaskThread1_CPU = 0
 
e_GsmCache = 1
q_ShaderWater = 0
r_FogShadows = 0
 
sys_limit_phys_thread_count = 0
p_num_threads = 6
 
e_AutoPrecacheCgfMaxTasks = 6
p_num_jobs = 6
r_ShadersAsyncMaxThreads = 6
sys_job_system_max_worker = 6

them last set of "6" could easily be "12" but I don't detect much in testing

How do you get "x"?


What am I on about?

Edited by Goose, 01 July 2015 - 07:18 PM.

[Lordred]

When you upgraded, did you format.

If so, try setting windows power profile to high performance.

[Summon3r]

at first glance MWO wont like the 400mhz drop in cpu clock, that said at 3.6 you should be doing much much better then 25 fps

[xWiredx]

Motherboard, OS, and GPU driver energy settings all come to mind, as does the motherboard's handling of PCIe feature level (a lot of people complained about immature X99 BIOSes throttling PCIe down to 2.0 x4 or x8 when it didn't think the GPU was being utilized or something, I can't exactly remember now).

You may also want to OC that beast. I mean, that IS what it lives for. 4.5GhZ is pretty doable with decent cooling. it's fun to OC these, too, since there are so many different individual grains you can shift around.

[Contrabandit]

Goose, on 01 July 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:

In no particular order:

• 90% load on a quad core means something; 18% on a hexacore with Hyperthreading can mean anything I want
  
• 400 MHz (3.6GHZ vs. 4 on the old 2550k, as per your sig) should have been broken even (maybe) with the improved Instruction Per Clock of the new chip: Maybe it spends a lot of time at lower Hz?

Take two of these, and call me in the morning:

sys_budget_sysmem = 5120
sys_budget_videomem = 4096
sys_MaxFPS = 71 or something
 
sys_budget_streamingthroughput = x * 1024
sys_LocalMemoryGeometryStreamingSpeedLimit = x
sys_LocalMemoryTextureStreamingSpeedLimit = x
sys_streaming_max_bandwidth = x
 
r_GeomInstancing = 1
r_multiGPU = 0
r_silhouettePOM = 0
r_stereodevice = 0
r_UsePOM = 0
 
sys_budget_soundCPU = 5
 
r_WaterUpdateThread = 2
sys_streaming_CPU = 4
sys_TaskThread0_CPU = 0
sys_TaskThread1_CPU = 0
 
e_GsmCache = 1
q_ShaderWater = 0
r_FogShadows = 0
 
sys_limit_phys_thread_count = 0
p_num_threads = 6
 
e_AutoPrecacheCgfMaxTasks = 6
p_num_jobs = 6
r_ShadersAsyncMaxThreads = 6
sys_job_system_max_worker = 6

them last set of "6" could easily be "12" but I don't detect much in testing

I'm not sure what im looking at... is this a usercfg setting? or are these for CMD

Lordred, on 01 July 2015 - 10:48 PM, said:

When you upgraded, did you format.

If so, try setting windows power profile to high performance.

Yes this is a fresh install. Also, changing the performance mode was the first thing i did in windows and the Nvidia control panel

xWiredx, on 02 July 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

Motherboard, OS, and GPU driver energy settings all come to mind, as does the motherboard's handling of PCIe feature level (a lot of people complained about immature X99 BIOSes throttling PCIe down to 2.0 x4 or x8 when it didn't think the GPU was being utilized or something, I can't exactly remember now).

You may also want to OC that beast. I mean, that IS what it lives for. 4.5GhZ is pretty doable with decent cooling. it's fun to OC these, too, since there are so many different individual grains you can shift around.

Yes I was thinking something along the lines of that, the funny thing is if i disable Inlet speedstep it wont boot into windows...
I have had the cpu at 4.4 at 1.2v but as i am not fermiliar with all these new bios setting i decided to revert to the defaults in bios for the time being.

i disabled hyper threading and changed the pci-e handling to gen3 to see if that would make a difference, I have not had time to test it with those changes tho

[Goose]

user.cfg, yes

Don't disable HT: The Pentium days are over.

The guys are right, though: What tweaks have you forgotten about, having put them on the 2550k, but not the 5820k?

For instance: Core Parking seems to be a thing with HT, but it might have also required Win7 in order to cause problems …

[Contrabandit]

I did have the cores Unparked on the 2550 but other than that all i ran was a x40 multi with a higher vcore.. nothing special really. And I'm still on Win7, i refuse to upgrade until there's a good reason to...

As per some one on Overclock.Net:

your on X99 now... tune your Uncore and all will be better
*SB IMC/Uncore ran 1:1 with CPU.. so you came from a system with muuuuuuch tighter RAM latency and muuuuuch higher bandwidth.
**Both of these are only an issue if you have not yet OC your uncore for X99 CPU



i really don't want to have to play at 1080p when i was perfectly capable to do 2550x1440 on the old rig.
its just frustrating when you expected a frame increase and got the exact opposite on a new setup

[xWiredx]

I'll take a picture of my OC settings for you later tonight so you can see how mine is set up.

[Contrabandit]

so i Just un parked my cores to eliminate it as a possible cause.

xWiredx, on 04 July 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

I'll take a picture of my OC settings for you later tonight so you can see how mine is set up.

i will also post one so that we can compare

[MavRCK]

Lacking so many details of your system settings drivers etc - maybe review all the articles here, ensure you have your rig set up properly and then list in detail everything you've done so people aren't taking shots into the dark ie guessing what is wrong with your system?

[Contrabandit]

Well i did a fresh install of windows, seems the fps is higher now.
staying in the 80 to 130 average but still getting the occasional drop to ~32 for a split second
Why its better now i have no idea, im stumped...

bios settings default for now

cpu cores are unparked

nvidia settings default except for (single display mode) and power to (max performance)

here is also the cmd test, i have not yet tried the user.cfg that was posted.
Should i still try it?

I'm still open to suggestions to the random fps dive, other than that does 80 to 130 seem about right for this system? and if not what can i do?

Really do appreciate everyone's help and patience!



in game settings

Edited by Contrabandit, 05 July 2015 - 05:03 PM.

[Goose]

Yes: You should put something in your user.cfg

winsat formal -restart clean

is the real test you should run after driver updates et al, but you put the memory performance number into user.cfg

[Lordred]

A benchmark test for you Contrabandit, your i7 should smoke my FX-8350 at default clocks (Test performed at default clocks)




Frozen City Night.
Ingame settings: High @ 1440p No AA (setting match yours)
Empty User.CFG

Pre-match and post match were trimmed from the log (they inflate fps)
Avg FPS: 71.587
Minimum: 41

Edited by Lordred, 05 July 2015 - 08:05 PM.

[xWiredx]

Here is my current configuration for my overclock, tested stable. Most 5820K chips should be able to do this or better.

[Clit Beastwood]

Goose, on 02 July 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:

user.cfg, yes

Don't disable HT: The Pentium days are over.

The guys are right, though: What tweaks have you forgotten about, having put them on the 2550k, but not the 5820k?

For instance: Core Parking seems to be a thing with HT, but it might have also required Win7 in order to cause problems …

I was actually just fiddling with this last night - when I turned off HT, my FPS in the game was a stead 220ish, but with HT *on* it was bouncing 90-240 or so. Testing grounds runs in the 300's FPS-wise, and exhibits the same "bouncing". I ran 3dmark before/after and repeated a few times, it benchmarks higher with HT on, but it feels "smoother" with it disabled. Not contradicting you, I just found it interesting - the HT variance was there at stock clocks (3.5ghz) but once OC'd it was much more noticeable. Even with the gpu's im packin, particles still kicks my comp in the nuts.

i7 3770k @ 4.8ghz
2x evga 980 SC ACX2.0

All settings were on low to eliminate variables, 1920x1080 resolution, DX11, no user.cfg, base OS with just nvidia drivers and windows 8.1 installed.

For what it's worth, if you have an nvidia card and are getting "driver has stopped responding" messages, go into "services" and stop/disable the nvidia streaming service. Completely cleared up my non-stop crashes (every 10 drops or so. usually right as I entered combat. I could hear myself dying but could not see it!).

Edited by Fierostetz, 06 July 2015 - 03:57 PM.

[Goose]

Fierostetz, on 06 July 2015 - 03:52 PM, said:

I was actually just fiddling with this last night - when I turned off HT, my FPS in the game was a stead 220ish, but with HT *on* it was bouncing 90-240 or so …

i7 3770k @ 4.8ghz

My Core Parking Sense is tingling …

[Contrabandit]

Lordred, on 05 July 2015 - 07:50 PM, said:

A benchmark test for you Contrabandit, your i7 should smoke my FX-8350 at default clocks (Test performed at default clocks)

here is a stock run with ram at its rated 2666(1333mhz)


looks like you'r faster with AES256, doesn't look like i'm smoking you in performance either
what do you think?

xWiredx, on 06 July 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:

Here is my current configuration for my overclock, tested stable. Most 5820K chips should be able to do this or better.

What voltages are you running for that? Also, your bios might have an option to print screen(f12 usually) might make it easier to post a screen shot in the future

[Goose]

sys_budget_streamingthroughput = 45119488
sys_LocalMemoryGeometryStreamingSpeedLimit = 44062
sys_LocalMemoryTextureStreamingSpeedLimit = 44062
sys_streaming_max_bandwidth = 44062

[xWiredx]

Contrabandit, on 08 July 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

What voltages are you running for that? Also, your bios might have an option to print screen(f12 usually) might make it easier to post a screen shot in the future

I believe its either 1.28v or 1.3v. I won't go over the 1.3v hump, but as always with proper cooling going higher than that shouldn't be dangerous. I believe 1.3v or 1.35v was the max Intel recommended via the guide released by motherboard manufacturers on launch day.