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[Lord Letto]

xWiredx, on 22 July 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

I'd ditch the ceramique in favor of MX-2 since OP is gonna wanna OC that Pentium chip. I've had considerably worse results OCing on ceramique than AS5, MX-2, and MX-4.

I use a CM Hyper 212+ & Ceramique and it's doing a good job keeping my OCed FX-4100 Cool, Plus Apparently Ceramique isn't Conductive while AS5 and some of the other stuff is.

Big Tin Man, on 22 July 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

i5 is possible, just isn't ideal. I'm assuming your emachine rig has a copy of Win 7 you can use? Also, you'd be using the stock cooler for a while so no overclocking. Really $200 more in the budget would go a very long way.

it's Vista Home (So it Said in the OP), Plus it's OEM So He Can't Reuse it for another Rig/Build, He would need to Buy another Copy of Windows, if the OP is a Student or Teacher he could get a Copy of Windows for like $10-25 or whatever, But if not, $90+ For it, That's a Killer on a Small Budget Build for a Game that Can't/Wont Run on Linux.

To ALL The People Wanting a i5 on a $500 Budget, Here's one Without Windows:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($82.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GT 720 2GB Video Card ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS-I ID ATX Mid Tower Case ($32.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($25.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $504.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-22 13:15 EDT-0400

Lower End (Locked) i5 + Windows, but using Intel HD Graphics IGP:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS-I ID ATX Mid Tower Case ($32.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($25.00 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $504.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-22 13:17 EDT-0400

Edited by Lord Letto, 22 July 2015 - 09:30 AM.

[Big Tin Man]

FWIW, an extra $100 goes a VERY VERY long way in the initial build.

PCPartPicker part list http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gvKhXL / Price breakdown by merchant http://pcpartpicker....XL/by_merchant/

**CPU** Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor http://pcpartpicker....-bx80646i54690k) $219.99 @ SuperBiiz
**CPU Cooler** Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler http://pcpartpicker....er-rr212e20pkr2 $25.98 @ OutletPC
**Motherboard** Gigabyte GA-Z97-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard http://pcpartpicker....rboard-gaz97hd3 $78.99 @ SuperBiiz
**Memory** G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory http://pcpartpicker....-f32133c10d8gab $56.99 @ Newegg
**Storage** Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive http://pcpartpicker....-drive-wd10ezex $52.49 @ OutletPC
**Video Card** EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card](http://pcpartpicker....ard-02gp43753kr $119.99 @ Newegg (again, lots of good choices around $120--$150)
**Case** [Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case http://pcpartpicker....case-vl80001w2z $24.99 @ Micro Center
**Power Supply** Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply http://pcpartpicker....er-supply-cx500 $25.00 @ Newegg

*Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts*
Total (before mail-in rebates) $689.42
Mail-in rebates -$85.00
**Total** **$604.42**
Generated by [PCPartPicker](http://pcpartpicker.com) 2015-07-22 13:22 EDT-0400 |

[Big Tin Man]

Lord Letto, on 22 July 2015 - 09:19 AM, said:

it's Vista Home (So it Said in the OP), Plus it's OEM So He Can't Reuse it for another Rig/Build, He would need to Buy another Copy of Windows.

Ah, I missed that on the first pass. If he has the install disk and the license label on the case, it can be done... just not in a squeaky clean fashion. Done that with plenty of old Dell laptops at work that were getting retired and were running Win 7 64bit. Nobody missed those stickers. That said, I'd rather shoot myself in the face than build a new rig on Vista.

I do still think an i5 gives the overall build more life beyond MWO, and the 4690k oc'd can keep up just fine.

[Lord Letto]

Big Tin Man, on 22 July 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

FWIW, an extra $100 goes a VERY VERY long way in the initial build.

PCPartPicker part list http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gvKhXL / Price breakdown by merchant http://pcpartpicker....XL/by_merchant/

**CPU** Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor http://pcpartpicker....-bx80646i54690k) $219.99 @ SuperBiiz
**CPU Cooler** Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler http://pcpartpicker....er-rr212e20pkr2 $25.98 @ OutletPC
**Motherboard** Gigabyte GA-Z97-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard http://pcpartpicker....rboard-gaz97hd3 $78.99 @ SuperBiiz
**Memory** G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory http://pcpartpicker....-f32133c10d8gab $56.99 @ Newegg
**Storage** Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive http://pcpartpicker....-drive-wd10ezex $52.49 @ OutletPC
**Video Card** EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card](http://pcpartpicker....ard-02gp43753kr $119.99 @ Newegg (again, lots of good choices around $120--$150)
**Case** [Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case http://pcpartpicker....case-vl80001w2z $24.99 @ Micro Center
**Power Supply** Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply http://pcpartpicker....er-supply-cx500 $25.00 @ Newegg

*Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts*
Total (before mail-in rebates) $689.42
Mail-in rebates -$85.00
**Total** **$604.42**
Generated by [PCPartPicker](http://pcpartpicker.com) 2015-07-22 13:22 EDT-0400 |

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($25.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $604.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-22 13:36 EDT-0400

If you add Windows & Thermal Paste (Unless included TP is good enough), then it would be like $200 over Budget, after rebates, before rebates would be like $300 Over Budget (with Windows & TP, would be like $800 Base, Like $700 after Promo Discount & MIR Discount) for a $500 Budget, That's alot.

[xWiredx]

Agreed. A $600 budget makes a pretty significant difference compared to a $500 budget, especially when a copy of Windows is required.

I believe MWO will run in WINE, but it isn't widely tested and I am willing to bet performance takes a hit.

[Big Tin Man]

Lord Letto, on 22 July 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($25.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $604.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-22 13:36 EDT-0400

If you add Windows & Thermal Paste (Unless included TP is good enough), then it would be like $200 over Budget, after rebates, before rebates would be like $300 Over Budget (with Windows & TP, would be like $800 Base, Like $700 after Promo Discount & MIR Discount) for a $500 Budget, That's alot.

Agreed. The copy of windows @ $100 is a build killer at this price point, it's 20% of the entire build budget. And OP never said if his budget was a net cost budget, or if he could wait for rebates. I assumed rebates could play. Also, OP did mention that he could creep up a little on budget, just showing what a little more could do.

And seeing $7 for thermal paste in every build makes me laugh a little on the inside. Yes you need it if you're upgrading the cooling system, I just didn't deal with the hassle of selecting it.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Why is a copy of windows required?
If he has the serial all he needs is the ISO image, and reactivate it over the phone using the automated system.

Alternatively, sign up for the windows 10 insider preview, that continues post Windows 10 release.

[Big Tin Man]

DV McKenna, on 22 July 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

Why is a copy of windows required?

Because it's VISTA [shudder]

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Big Tin Man, on 22 July 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

Because it's VISTA [shudder]

Well yes. But i meant from the OEM perspective.
But even then you don't need to spend $100 on an OS, you just need the ISO of the version you want a USB stick and $20-30

Edited by DV McKenna, 22 July 2015 - 10:41 AM.

[VagGR]

xWiredx, on 22 July 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

I think it's a toss-up between that unlocked pentium and the i3. I'm not sure if the extra clock room makes enough of a difference compared to the hyperthreading since being a dual-core means more background threads vying for attention from each core where hyperthreading will take care of some of that and thus maybe make up the difference of even be the difference. The nice thing is that pentium CPU is cheap and with a Z97 motherboard OP can upgrade to a much nicer CPU later.

I'd ditch the ceramique in favor of MX-2 since OP is gonna wanna OC that Pentium chip. I've had considerably worse results OCing on ceramique than AS5, MX-2, and MX-4.

With that extra $10 of headroom, you can definitely bump up to DDR3-1600. There's a somewhat noticeable difference between 1333 and 1600 (not just in MWO, but in most games).

Everything else looks good for this budget IMO.


An i5 that is worth it for MWO would blow OPs budget out by a lot.

You probably have issues with your system if you have to keep everything on low to manage 60fps. You might want to open a new thread on that and start giving out all the info you can so we can attempt to help.

It will most certainly be on the edge of his budget but still the lowest tier i5 is better that any dual-core, especially if he decides to OC. also im pretty sure he can save up from things that are not essensial for low budget systems (3rd party cpu coolers, SSDs or even 1TB HDDs, DDR3/1600 ect). it 'll be worth it to cut on these and get a better CPU imo.

Regarding my case maybe i'll do that but i highly doubt its my systems fault as it can run pretty much everything on high/ultra at 60+fps. everything but MWO. And lets be honest most people i know are running low. MWO is terribly optimised and thats why i will again advice the OP not to use MWO as a benchmark for his new system

Edited by VagGR, 22 July 2015 - 10:59 AM.

[Lord Letto]

VagGR, on 22 July 2015 - 10:51 AM, said:

It will most certainly be on the edge of his budget but still the lowest tier i5 is better that any dual-core, especially if he decides to OC. also im pretty sure he can save up from things that are not essensial for low budget systems (3rd party cpu coolers, SSDs or even 1TB HDDs). it 'll be worth it to cut on these and get a better CPU imo.

Um, How Can One OC a Low Tier i5? AFAIK Only the k series (4690k) Can be OCed, Not the Lower Locked stuff (4460 for Example), if he gets a low i5 and wants to upgrade later to OC, Then he would have to spend more money ($177 for 4460+$220 for a 4690k=$397, Why do that when he can go all out and get a i7-4790k from the start for $329)

Unless by Lower Tier you mean something older like say a i5-2550k with a Z77 Board:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-2550K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($190.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($7.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Biostar TZ77MXE Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($78.18 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($25.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $496.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-22 15:12 EDT-0400
Then Spend the $90-100 for a OS or Get a Preview Build of Windows 10 Preview.

[VagGR]

Lord Letto, on 22 July 2015 - 11:13 AM, said:

Um, How Can One OC a Low Tier i5? AFAIK Only the k series (4690k) Can be OCed, Not the Lower Locked stuff (4460 for Example), if he gets a low i5 and wants to upgrade later to OC, Then he would have to spend more money ($177 for 4460+$220 for a 4690k=$397, Why do that when he can go all out and get a i7-4790k from the start for $329)

Unless by Lower Tier you mean something older like say a i5-2550k with a Z77 Board:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-2550K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($190.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($7.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Biostar TZ77MXE Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($78.18 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($25.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $496.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-22 15:12 EDT-0400
Then Spend the $90-100 for a OS or Get a Preview Build of Windows 10 Preview.

i mean 2nd or 3rd generation (though i think 3570K is still pretty expensive). i think the 2550K you just posted will be a better choice than a G3258 or even an i3.

Now take the system you just posted (add an HDD which i guess you forgot ) its pretty decent for 500-550

edit: and if he doesnt want want to OC, i5-4460 is a very good choice for ~180

Edited by VagGR, 22 July 2015 - 11:55 AM.

[xWiredx]

Intel CPUs don't really get very much in the ways of retail market price cuts. In the secondary (used) market, you can score some sweet deals. If OP wanted to go that route, I'm sure he could find something golden. We just don't have a good efficient way of providing OP with those types of things.

[Big Tin Man]

Lord Letto, on 22 July 2015 - 11:13 AM, said:

Um, How Can One OC a Low Tier i5? AFAIK Only the k series (4690k) Can be OCed, Not the Lower Locked stuff (4460 for Example), if he gets a low i5 and wants to upgrade later to OC, Then he would have to spend more money ($177 for 4460+$220 for a 4690k=$397, Why do that when he can go all out and get a i7-4790k from the start for $329)

You can still oc a non-k chip, you just won't get as much of out of the oc. The K designation is just an unlocked multiplier on the cpu, which makes for easy overclocking. You can still boost the base clock, but you'll need to work harder with the voltages to get stable and likely run a bit hotter. I was running my i7-930 (stock 2.8 mhz) around 3.6 mhz for a while, but I didn't see much of a difference in MWO vs. 3.4 which was much quieter, cooler and more totally stable.

Do keep in mind absolutely anything OP gets will be a massive boost over his current machine.

Edited by Big Tin Man, 22 July 2015 - 12:09 PM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Big Tin Man, on 22 July 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

You can still oc a non-k chip, you just won't get as much of out of the oc. The K designation is just an unlocked multiplier on the cpu, which makes for easy overclocking. You can still boost the base clock, but you'll need to work harder with the voltages to get stable and likely run a bit hotter. I was running my i7-930 (stock 2.8 mhz) around 3.6 mhz for a while, but I didn't see much of a difference in MWO vs. 3.4 which was much quieter, cooler and more totally stable.

Do keep in mind absolutely anything OP gets will be a massive boost over his current machine.

Whilst overclocking everything else in the system as well....

[Goose]

…

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A (NFC Express Edition) ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($58.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($59.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($112.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $430.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-22 17:46 EDT-0400

Base Total: $510.80
Mail-in Rebates: -$85.00
Shipping: $4.98
Total: $430.78

Recycling the HDD, optical, and case; Assumed there was a case fan somewhere; Get the parts together before the 29th, and the OS is free …

[Summon3r]

Big Tin Man, on 22 July 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

You can still oc a non-k chip, you just won't get as much of out of the oc. The K designation is just an unlocked multiplier on the cpu, which makes for easy overclocking. You can still boost the base clock, but you'll need to work harder with the voltages to get stable and likely run a bit hotter. I was running my i7-930 (stock 2.8 mhz) around 3.6 mhz for a while, but I didn't see much of a difference in MWO vs. 3.4 which was much quieter, cooler and more totally stable.

Do keep in mind absolutely anything OP gets will be a massive boost over his current machine.

think my first 286 system ran faster then that.....

BCLK OC'ing is not recommended at all unless the OP is fairly PC savvy

Edited by Summon3r, 22 July 2015 - 02:28 PM.

[Capt_Kobalt]

Do not use VISA! you will wish you had not!

Most of the build these guys have posted are good builds go with one of them. It will get the job done. For your budget.

Many run Windows 7. You might be able to find a sealed new copy on e-bay for cheap. Many do.

[Dragoon20005]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Antec ASK4000E-U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($28.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($25.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $498.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-22 20:26 EDT-0400


Guys calm down,

don't confuse the OP with all the disagreements

each builds have their good and bad there is no right or wrong builds unless you really mess it up.

if you think you can make a better build use PCPartPicker and make one to see if the PC build fits the budget



even though MWO is still an un-optimized POS

as long as OP picks the Intel CPU,

he wont be regretting on the investment he made

since many mentioned about future upgrades to the build

The i3 is the minimum that OP should be getting since this games likes 4 treads over 2 treads.

i made some changes to mine and included new MIR items as well as a Z97 board so that OP can drop a i5 4690K/5690k or i7 4790K/5790K later on.

the R7 265 is pretty much a HD7850 which is a cut down of the R9 270/HD7870 which can hold on its own at 1080P gaming. the R7 265 can handle Med to High custom settings and hold 60fps steady

added a SSD and HDD which the SSD is for the OS and the HDD for your games.

like I have mentioned before

if OP is a student, he could be able to get Windows 8.1 at student prices or the other way is to go to the reddit/microsoftsoftwareswap (not suggested thou)

some may don't like the casing and PSU i have picked but since they are on sale and still from decent brand. I will pick them when on a budget and you can swap them later for better cases and PSU.

I say this build will get OP started on MWO gaming.

if you still need help on PC builds

head over to linustechtips forums

the community over there will be glad to help get ppl into PC gaming

Thanks for reading

Regards
Dragoon20005


PS: I am trying to update and revise my MWO PC guide but thanks to the requirements to play at least 25 matches to open up the rest of the forum features and allow me to open new treads I will need to find a way to play 25 matches on a laptop ( lower your pitch forks man )

[Big Tin Man]

Summon3r, on 22 July 2015 - 02:03 PM, said:

think my first 286 system ran faster then that.....

BCLK OC'ing is not recommended at all unless the OP is fairly PC savvy

mhz, ghz, what's the difference! So picky. And that's 3.4 mhz is close to 8088 speeds, my 386 ran a blazing 40 mhz. Still needed boot disks to free up the 640k ram to run a lot of games.

And minor BCLK OC's can be done if one does some good internet homework first (it's how i learned), but he also needs some cooling which wasn't included in several of the builds. EVGA MB's and BIOS are very friendly to those that are new to OC's.