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[GoatHILL]

That is all.

[Nightshade24]

Very constructive post you have there sir.

[Demonic]

Broken hit boxes like the Spider, ECM like the Spider, far superior armament, nothing really to discuss.
Enjoy while you can, clanners.

[STEF_]

Yawn

[PlzDie]

Demonic, on 01 August 2015 - 04:42 AM, said:

Broken hit boxes like the Spider, ECM like the Spider, far superior armament, nothing really to discuss.
Enjoy while you can, clanners.

Wonder when the hit boxes are going to be fixed, before or after c-bill release?

[El Bandito]

Arctic Cheater cheats death, that's for sure. I was surprised out of my seat when I saw a Light going 140 kph did not die after I blasted off its side torso. If it was a Firestarter, it would have been a goner. Bloody Clan tech.

Edited by El Bandito, 01 August 2015 - 05:01 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

Duppie, on 01 August 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

Wonder when the hit boxes are going to be fixed, before or after c-bill release?

When the Jenner IIC makes its first appearance, I guess

I don't know that they need to be fixed, btw. But someone should look into it. It's definitely extremely hard to kill, compared to other light mechs.

[STEF_]

There are a lot of people that cannot aim.

It's easier to leg a cheetah despite its quirk than a FS9, imo.

[Viges]

Duppie, on 01 August 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

Wonder when the hit boxes are going to be fixed, before or after c-bill release?

Just before as usual.

Stefka Kerensky, on 01 August 2015 - 05:06 AM, said:

There are lot of people that can't use jj and twist, making it really hard to hit that tiny legs.

FTFY.

[Nightshade24]

Demonic, on 01 August 2015 - 04:42 AM, said:

Broken hit boxes like the Spider, ECM like the Spider, far superior armament, nothing really to discuss.
Enjoy while you can, clanners.

I would agree if not like the IS have many counterparts. Also when lowering the speed of the spider to that of the arctic cheetah... you can do similar 100% e builds and with superior jumpjets capacity and quantity and speed (which is mostly due to the fact the spider can equip the engine that is the same weight as the Arctic cheetah but still faster... just a higher rating by 5) There is enough things to make the spider worth while over the arctich cheetah.

However compairing a clan 30 tonner to a is 30 tonner or well 30 tonners to other 30 tonners is not a good idea by any measure.

There is simply NOT ENOUGH 20, 25, or 30 tonners in this game- most of the lights are 35...

Adder, Jenner IIC, Jenner , Raven, Firestarter, Panther, Wolfhound, etc...

30 tonner? Urbanmech, arctich cheetah, spider.

25? Mist lynx, Commando.
20? Locust.

that was off by heart but if my math isn't faulty that basicly means there is more 35 tonners then there are of all the other lights combined.

Statistically speaking there is not a good enough sample size to say the arctich cheetah is simply superior just because you compare it to a mech that was built for a SCOUTING ANTI PERSONAL role.

Of course, the Hankyu/ Arctic cheetah was also a bit of an anti personal kinda mech. But it was less dedicated.
Only way to compare light mechs to other light mechs in this game is not by adding more filters such as faction and weight class- but expand it to simply all in game...


Which the Firestarter does challange the thing quite a bit- which it is superior in boating, but inferior in JJ and slightly to the hardpoint allocation as well.

The commando? Well it is a bit better in SRM's but has ammo dependency issues, however is much more faster then the arctic cheetah and smaller. Also has more M hardpoints. However I do not really think commando is better then the arctic cheetah.

Mist lynx? well this is the mech it was meant to replace, and it does a good job replacing... Mist lynx atm however has an edge when it comes to missiles but anything beyound that is a bit towards the arctich cheetah by a long shot.

Kitfox? another 30 tonner... and this is where things get weird...

Kitfox can mount more missiles (double), can have more tons of weapons to the point it can rival some heavier mechs. and with LRM's can do a 40 damage alpha with reasonable ammo for the whole battle to do 600 damage+ (including factors like some enemy ECM, ams, and lost locks)

Kitfox in quite a few ways looks superior besides the fact it's slower and has lower E hardpoints but higher B hardpoints.



Now we got a rock paper scissors if we look at 30 tonners alone... Excluding specialised light hunting builds (ie streak boats). it would go...

Kitfox is weak to spider.
Spider is weak to Arctic cheetah
arctic cheetah is weak to kitfox....

well it can go a bit more better if we include the term spider to include urbanmech as an interchangable mech... because if you got a kitfox and a urbie, ironically it's a kitfox nightmare... due to it's slow speed. But that's for a different day about omnimech restrictions instead of a arctich cheetah peformance....


As of 2/08/2015, the arctic cheetah is not making any mech inferior besides the mist lynx in overall terms.
The Spider still got the speed advantage and jumpjet advantage WHICH if you compare the arctich cheetah and spider with ER PPC builds or large pulse laser builds the Spider wins due to superior speed, jj capacity, and decent heat control.
If there is a role or build 1 mech can do better then the other in nearly every way, then it isn't inferior.

May be stupid if illogical, but what isn't illogical of an anti personal and light craft hunter being worse then a mech essentially made to be the last thing a lot of IS pilots saw last. (being a spotter, it does mean most of the time it isn't the mech that does the final blow... but lethal it is).
Not like a dragon doing the same dakka as a an aassault mech stupid. But it does prove to give some challenges.

This is mainly a problem with the fact we do not have enough light mechs that are not 35 tonners I would reckon and the regular hit detection issues, a praise to the clans that this is 1 of the 2 mechs that have any form of server lag as a deffense (other being ice ferret), which isn't something I would praise or consider a balancing factor... it's a flaw in the game that needs to be fixed and is being worked on...

Duppie, on 01 August 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

Wonder when the hit boxes are going to be fixed, before or after c-bill release?

Depends on problem.

if it is an actual hitbox problem, it'll be fixed before C-bill release or AT c-bill release.

if it is the normal server issues that most mechs that go 130 kph+ get, then it won't be fixed.

the day that is fixed, PGI needs to work on balancing, because that's the same day all but the urbanmech for the inner sphere will have issues not dying.

[Demonic]

Stefka Kerensky, on 01 August 2015 - 05:06 AM, said:

There are a lot of people that cannot aim.

It's easier to leg a cheetah despite its quirk than a FS9, imo.

Yeah, it's the people's fault...x"D

[Nightshade24]

Alistair Winter, on 01 August 2015 - 05:00 AM, said:

When the Jenner IIC makes its first appearance, I guess

I don't know that they need to be fixed, btw. But someone should look into it. It's definitely extremely hard to kill, compared to other light mechs.

I think it is because it's more noticeable, for a Clan light that performs like an IS one, The fact it has ST weapons and ECM makes it stick in the battlefield much more longer then it's predecessor the Mist lynx or the distant relatives the kitfox and adder.

That and it speed starts to pierce the threshold the game can be accurate with, much like most IS light mechs, this mech has a bit of a shield in form of server lag, not severe, but enough to be noticed.

From personal experience on this thing it seems that some players do not know where to aim, due to the unique shoulder design and such.

however I do have to say- if any of the components is a weakness on this thing, it's the legs... they feel a bit bigger then the other components.

[Demonic]

Nightshade24, on 01 August 2015 - 05:11 AM, said:

I would agree if not like the IS have many counterparts. Also when lowering the speed of the spider to that of the arctic cheetah... you can do similar 100% e builds and with superior jumpjets capacity and quantity and speed (which is mostly due to the fact the spider can equip the engine that is the same weight as the Arctic cheetah but still faster... just a higher rating by 5) There is enough things to make the spider worth while over the arctich cheetah.
...

Spoiler

However compairing a clan 30 tonner to a is 30 tonner or well 30 tonners to other 30 tonners is not a good idea by any measure.

There is simply NOT ENOUGH 20, 25, or 30 tonners in this game- most of the lights are 35...

Adder, Jenner IIC, Jenner , Raven, Firestarter, Panther, Wolfhound, etc...

30 tonner? Urbanmech, arctich cheetah, spider.

25? Mist lynx, Commando.
20? Locust.

that was off by heart but if my math isn't faulty that basicly means there is more 35 tonners then there are of all the other lights combined.

Statistically speaking there is not a good enough sample size to say the arctich cheetah is simply superior just because you compare it to a mech that was built for a SCOUTING ANTI PERSONAL role.

Of course, the Hankyu/ Arctic cheetah was also a bit of an anti personal kinda mech. But it was less dedicated.
Only way to compare light mechs to other light mechs in this game is not by adding more filters such as faction and weight class- but expand it to simply all in game...


Which the Firestarter does challange the thing quite a bit- which it is superior in boating, but inferior in JJ and slightly to the hardpoint allocation as well.

The commando? Well it is a bit better in SRM's but has ammo dependency issues, however is much more faster then the arctic cheetah and smaller. Also has more M hardpoints. However I do not really think commando is better then the arctic cheetah.

Mist lynx? well this is the mech it was meant to replace, and it does a good job replacing... Mist lynx atm however has an edge when it comes to missiles but anything beyound that is a bit towards the arctich cheetah by a long shot.

Kitfox? another 30 tonner... and this is where things get weird...

Kitfox can mount more missiles (double), can have more tons of weapons to the point it can rival some heavier mechs. and with LRM's can do a 40 damage alpha with reasonable ammo for the whole battle to do 600 damage+ (including factors like some enemy ECM, ams, and lost locks)

Kitfox in quite a few ways looks superior besides the fact it's slower and has lower E hardpoints but higher B hardpoints.



Now we got a rock paper scissors if we look at 30 tonners alone... Excluding specialised light hunting builds (ie streak boats). it would go...

Kitfox is weak to spider.
Spider is weak to Arctic cheetah
arctic cheetah is weak to kitfox....

well it can go a bit more better if we include the term spider to include urbanmech as an interchangable mech... because if you got a kitfox and a urbie, ironically it's a kitfox nightmare... due to it's slow speed. But that's for a different day about omnimech restrictions instead of a arctich cheetah peformance....


As of 2/08/2015, the arctic cheetah is not making any mech inferior besides the mist lynx in overall terms.
The Spider still got the speed advantage and jumpjet advantage WHICH if you compare the arctich cheetah and spider with ER PPC builds or large pulse laser builds the Spider wins due to superior speed, jj capacity, and decent heat control.
If there is a role or build 1 mech can do better then the other in nearly every way, then it isn't inferior.

May be stupid if illogical, but what isn't illogical of an anti personal and light craft hunter being worse then a mech essentially made to be the last thing a lot of IS pilots saw last. (being a spotter, it does mean most of the time it isn't the mech that does the final blow... but lethal it is).
Not like a dragon doing the same dakka as a an aassault mech stupid. But it does prove to give some challenges.

This is mainly a problem with the fact we do not have enough light mechs that are not 35 tonners I would reckon and the regular hit detection issues, a praise to the clans that this is 1 of the 2 mechs that have any form of server lag as a deffense (other being ice ferret), which isn't something I would praise or consider a balancing factor... it's a flaw in the game that needs to be fixed and is being worked on...

Edited by Demonic, 01 August 2015 - 05:24 AM.

[STEF_]

Demonic, on 01 August 2015 - 05:13 AM, said:

Yeah, it's the people's fault...x"D

Yes it is, since I kill cheetah as any other lights.

And yes again since, when I pilot my cheetah, people doesn0t aim for my legs.

So yes, it is.

[Nightshade24]

Demonic, on 01 August 2015 - 05:19 AM, said:

I do not speak what ever language that image is.

but I think that image is broken?...


Edit: welp it worked for my quote... meow.

Edited by Nightshade24, 01 August 2015 - 05:23 AM.

[xWiredx]

ITT: IS players whining about a light mech being "broken" while simultaneously ignoring and overusing their broken light mechs.

Maybe the ACH will get the Spider and Firestarter treatment so it doesn't "get fixed" for YEARS.

I've actually noticed that some people have one hell of a time killing them, but other people don't have much trouble killing them at all (and I can attest, having piloted them many times now, they are NOT immune to death - the FIrestarter is the only mech with that "quirk").

[Demonic]

Stefka Kerensky, on 01 August 2015 - 05:21 AM, said:

Yes it is, since I kill cheetah as any other lights.

And yes again since, when I pilot my cheetah, people doesn0t aim for my legs.

So yes, it is.

Eclipse solar also is people's fault, if you look at him, is your fault... come on...

Ok ok clanners, everything is ok... sorry to disturb you..
Inner Sphere OP.

Edited by Demonic, 01 August 2015 - 05:37 AM.

[Novakaine]

1. Aim for the legs.
2. When it sails thru the air and lands - aim for the legs.
I love that looooong sailing arch when they jump and my Orion VA just mauls them.
Four LRM5's that's the ticket

Yeah I know it a duck, but I couldn't find a flying cheater.

[bad arcade kitty]

Novakaine, on 01 August 2015 - 05:36 AM, said:

Yeah I know it a duck, but I couldn't find a flying cheater.

here you are :3

the smile of this thing suggests it's a piece of furry art btw

[STEF_]

Demonic, on 01 August 2015 - 05:35 AM, said:

Eclipse solar also is people's fault, if you look at him, is your fault... come on...

Ok ok clanners, everything is ok... sorry to disturb you..
Inner Sphere OP.

Other than posting kitties?
no?

Goodbye to u.