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[John Norad]

What's with all the trolling in this thread?
Are people desperately trying to up their post count?

I mean, hey it's ok to throw in an RP'ish provocation here and there. It adds some flavor to the game and it's factions. But this constant trying to start an argument gets old and annoying.
Yeah, all Davies are naive do-gooders, yeah you're much tougher and badass, yeah the Horde is much cooler.. oh wait.. But, nobody cares. So please keep it to yourself and if you have nothing constructive to add and/or don't give a damn about the topic, then just open your own thread if you feel like spreading your opinion.

As for me, I haven't sided with any faction yet, but I played the tabletop for quite some time and we were a Davion house unit (first Crucis Lanciers, then Kathil Ulans). That certainly leaves a mark. Plus in the books, although being very stereotype, Steiner and Davion appealed to me more than the other houses, apart from merc units like Kell Hounds and Wolf's Dragoons.

Actually, in the early books you kinda had to like Davion and Steiner, because the author more or less wanted you to. Just like in later books other authors tried to (sometimes forcefully) change that black/white image.
However, I'm not enough nonconformist to like a side just because it's the underdog or because I don't want to do what everybody else does. Or.. the powergamer way - because they have the best mech-pool..
For me it still comes down to Davion, or Steiner (pre Katherine), or one of the straight merc corps.
Yes, even though Davion isn't perfect. But that's exactly what makes it even more human and likeable.
Everybody has plenty of skeletons in his closet. Big news.
Tbh, you are the naive one if you think I didn't know.

Edited by John Norad, 03 August 2012 - 04:24 PM.

[Col Quaritch]

The ONLY house that I know of where moral values are actually looked upon with decentcy.

[Ardan Blade]

Ever since I first entered the lore of Battletech, way back during the mid nineties, I was enamored with the idea of a nation built on the foundations of morality, leadership, and strong military tradition. I grew up reading about the exploits of Justin Allard, the heroism of Ardan Sortek, and the bold, just leadership of Ian Davion, Hanse, and later, Victor.

Their stories were the sort that made me dream of medieval knights, riding forth to win salvation for their people. I fell in love with their resourcefulness, their cunning, and determination in the face of near-certain destruction. I am forever a loyal son of the Suns.

[Col Quaritch]

Ardan Blade, on 03 August 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Ever since I first entered the lore of Battletech, way back during the mid nineties, I was enamored with the idea of a nation built on the foundations of morality, leadership, and strong military tradition. I grew up reading about the exploits of Justin Allard, the heroism of Ardan Sortek, and the bold, just leadership of Ian Davion, Hanse, and later, Victor.

Their stories were the sort that made me dream of medieval knights, riding forth to win salvation for their people. I fell in love with their resourcefulness, their cunning, and determination in the face of near-certain destruction. I am forever a loyal son of the Suns.

Well spoken brother...you inspire me to fight harder!

[Telecleez]

I pretty much like the Fedsuns for the same reasons most here do i like that they are for the most part just loyal brave and resourceful.
I also liked the fact that Victor like his father didnt suffer fools and yes men unlike a certain Katherine (wont call her Katrina) Steiner-davion.

Plus you gotta respect a guy that basically changed the inner-sphere while at a wedding reception and even gave the other house leaders the planets he would be taking on dinner plates as a gift.

[Roguewolf]

Serevn, on 07 July 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

Most open society meaning the most uneducated peasants

Coming from someone belonging to a group of insane, unstable and generally heinous semi-human beings, your opinion stinks worse then your hole, or your food.

The Liao were some of the worse rulers, murderers, and all around worthless members of the great houses. I would rather have a Drac watch my back then let a Liao within 5 klicks of my mech.
" Romano Liao (born 2992^[1]– died 3052 , aged 60 years) was the second daughter of Chancellor Maximilian Liao. Romano succeeded her father as leader of the Capellan Confederation. She was considered by many to be insane, and was the almost the image of the insane despot, putting people to death for no apparent reason " (taken from Sarna.net )[/color]

She also killer her own father. Nice lady.

Also, Speaking of open societies " Unlike the other Successor States of the Inner Sphere, where individuals are born with citizenship, in the Confederation, citizenship is a benefit to be earned. All minors in the Capellan Confederation are technically wards of the state under the provisional supervision of their parents. " ( taken from Sarna.net )

You totally picked the shinning beacon of culture and purity in the inner sphere ...... O.o

Edited by Roguewolf, 04 August 2012 - 01:04 AM.

[Pugsley]

Roguewolf, on 04 August 2012 - 01:02 AM, said:

Coming from someone belonging to a group of insane, unstable and generally heinous semi-human beings, your opinion stinks worse then your hole, or your food.

The Liao were some of the worse rulers, murderers, and all around worthless members of the great houses. I would rather have a Drac watch my back then let a Liao within 5 klicks of my mech.
" Romano Liao (born 2992^[1]– died 3052 , aged 60 years) was the second daughter of Chancellor Maximilian Liao. Romano succeeded her father as leader of the Capellan Confederation. She was considered by many to be insane, and was the almost the image of the insane despot, putting people to death for no apparent reason " (taken from Sarna.net )[/color]

She also killer her own father. Nice lady.

Also, Speaking of open societies " Unlike the other Successor States of the Inner Sphere, where individuals are born with citizenship, in the Confederation, citizenship is a benefit to be earned. All minors in the Capellan Confederation are technically wards of the state under the provisional supervision of their parents. " ( taken from Sarna.net )

You totally picked the shinning beacon of culture and purity in the inner sphere ...... O.o

I do like how so many Davion fanboys are all cool with picking on the smallest kid on the block for centuries, and think it's great that ol' Hansey announced an unprovoked full scale invasion at his wedding, then talk about how evil the CC is for "underhanded" tactics. Same goes for their social customs, The Suns can afford to have countless worlds filled with illiterate farmers, the Capellans cannot. And so in order to survive, some freedoms must be sacrificed, everyone needs to pull their weight. Hardly evil, just pragmatic. And it was primarily the Suns that forced them into this system.

I also liked how you cut off that last sarna quote right before it started talking about how everyone gets full educations completely funded by the state, and how you neglected to mention that all the sourceboks make it a point to say that family values are a very high priority in the CC, and regardless of the technical status of the children, families are only broken up in very extreme case, such as abuse, etc.

All of the great houses are deeply flawed, bu the CC actually has a reason for its flaws. The Fed Suns could educate and ensure a better quality of life for their citizens, but they don't. The Dracs could not be the most hypocritical group in the known universe, but its easier to pretend they aren't. The Lyrans could stop being so currupt, but money! The FWL could stop killing more of each other than of actual bad guys, but they're purple and kind of retarded. The Cappies could fight "fairly" and not create a society where the state comes first, but then they would stop existing.

As for crazy leaders, well, that's a thing, but you can hardly call the CC evil as a whole because they where the de facto bad guy until the clans showed up, and having evil crazy despot communist yellow slanty eyed leaders was the easiest way for lazy writers to get that across in the 80's.

Edited by Pugsley, 04 August 2012 - 09:48 PM.

[Qin]

Pugsley, on 04 August 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

I do like how so many Davion fanboys are all cool with picking on the smallest kid on the block for centuries, and think it's great that ol' Hansey announced an unprovoked full scale invasion at his wedding, then talk about how evil the CC is for "underhanded" tactics. Same goes for their social customs, The Suns can afford to have countless worlds filled with illiterate farmers, the Capellans cannot. And so in order to survive, some freedoms must be sacrificed, everyone needs to pull their weight. Hardly evil, just pragmatic. And it was primarily the Suns that forced them into this system.

I think the perriphery worlds, and the FRR are the smallest kids on the block. But in politics its not all about the size of your enemy, its about how big a treat they are to your security, or how much they stand in the way of your plans. Size only matters in what solutions you can apply to your problem.

Every country on the world has this disconect between how they perceive themselfs and their history. You can go about everywhere look up the local black pages in history and find people claiming its the greatest country on Earth.

But its our evil neighbours that make us need to have that big millitary so we can defend ourselfs but not educate everybody. (or we can just claim that the writers had to write something bad about us, and came up with that, not like a 400 planet star empire cant come up with the cash to have some basic schooling and teachers.)

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I also liked how you cut off that last sarna quote right before it started talking about how everyone gets full educations completely funded by the state, and how you neglected to mention that all the sourceboks make it a point to say that family values are a very high priority in the CC, and regardless of the technical status of the children, families are only broken up in very extreme case, such as abuse, etc.

[Waring, Davion views may be the same or the opposite of your views depending on what planet you life]
Liao Educator: Okay now kids, repeat my words, the CCAF is the greatest House, we where put on these planets to rule over all the other planets, we shall smite the evil Davions that have been pestering us for so long, you will be the generation that will drive them back to hell. etc etc etc. Yep its free, and will get you in the right mood to do something constructive.

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All of the great houses are deeply flawed, bu the CC actually has a reason for its flaws. The Fed Suns could educate and ensure a better quality of life for their citizens, but they don't. The Dracs could not be the most hypocritical group in the known universe, but its easier to pretend they aren't. The Lyrans could stop being so currupt, but money! The FWL could stop killing more of each other than of actual bad guys, but they're purple and kind of retarded. The Cappies could fight "fairly" and not create a society where the state comes first, but then they would stop existing.

When they wrote it they should have spread around some more flaws and good things. Then again it was the 80ties when they started writing.

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As for crazy leaders, well, that's a thing, but you can hardly call the CC evil as a whole because they where the de facto bad guy until the clans showed up, and having evil crazy despot communist yellow slanty eyed leaders was the easiest way for lazy writers to get that across in the 80's.

Hey hey now dont dispell our propaganda, next we will see Davions and Liao sitting in a bar peacefully drinking sake, and discussing the value of the Kroner while a Marik is mixing the drinks.

Edited by Qin, 06 August 2012 - 02:31 AM.

[redplauge]

well ive always liked the davions since waaaaaay back in 1st ed of bt. i mean lets see;
Kurita: ****... in space. ok fairly honorable.... mostly.
Marik: somewhat free, but way too into the so called "word" of blake
Liao: um yeah i want to work for a family that will have 1 really good ruler - and then 5 sicko/krazys
Stiner: almost as good as the Davions, but generals are chosen not by what they know, but who they know, blow, or kiss a-- the best to.
not that the davions are pure as the driven snow either, but in general they got most of their stuff together.
and yeah Hanse is a tactical/strategic genius of the 1st order. Regimental Combat Team; mechs? not enough? put a unit together and have conventional forces backstop em.

[redplauge]

Pugsley, on 04 August 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

And so in order to survive, some freedoms must be sacrificed, everyone needs to pull their weight.

"Those who sacrifice Freedom for Security, deserve neither freedom nor security" -Benjamin Franklin
tbh we can debate all day about "who's House is best". in reality none of em are. but let me see if i get what you are saying;
a sneak attack on another group (who would do the same if they had a chance) is not "fair". but useing NBC weapons on a "superior" fighting force is. (note that it was the CC that created the treaty that banned said weapons. and then she died and the next in line pulled a stunt with one of the few surviving warships)
also education. pretty much everyone gets a decent basic education (well not some of the periphery worlds). nearly everyone gets the 3 r's reading, 'riteing, and 'rithmatic. tho a lot of the higher educational tools where lostech. when Hance and Katrina signed their treaty, and started to bring the FC in to being, both groups suddenly had a much larger pool of resources to put toward higher education and the "hard" sciences, with the aim of getting more advanced weapons. yes the helm data cores helped, but not quite as much as it did the others.

[Pugsley]

redplauge, on 06 August 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

"Those who sacrifice Freedom for Security, deserve neither freedom nor security" -Benjamin Franklin

Don't get me wrong, my RL political views are the polar opposite of the Capellan Confederation, but their system fits well in the position they're in. And believe me, I know how "patriotic" Liao education is, but hey, it makes effective drones. And it is nice to see responses with more thought than "Hurpadurp Liao is sneaky so theyre da bad guys"

[Remissus]

Alan Grant, on 11 December 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

First actual battletech game I personally owned and got to know intimately was Mechcommander. The 1st Davion Guards was my unit, with which I helped take Port Arthur back from the Jaguars almost single handed. Since then I've been into Davion, basically because compared to the rest of the houses, Davion comes closest to being the good guys.

^This is almost my reason exactly. Long live House Davion!

[Ardghal]

Back in the day I was fascinated by arthurian myth and knightly themes, so when I came across BT, House Davion had the most appeal. After that I started learning the history of the universe, and I liked many of Davion characters. So I just sticked with the colours since.

[GlenDragon]

As a Highlander the Federated Suns is a natural fit for me. For thirty years I have RPG and MW loyalities to Davion. God, Family, Clan, Honor!

[bikerbass77]

I looked through the houses on Sarna and decided that the Federated Suns was the closest thing in the BT universe to a nation that reflected my values. Others like the Draconis Combine and the Free World League seem totally dishonourable (at least in terms of leaders). The question I asked was "If I had to fight for any of these, which one would I choose to fight for?".

[Blackheart]

[in character] Because they pay more! [/in character]

I always liked royalty, military discipline. They have have both... why not? Been with House Davion since the TT came out.

[Justin Xang Allard]

Jack Gallows, on 10 December 2011 - 10:44 AM, said:

Wait...what?

Melissa is Victor and Katherine's mother. Melissa was wonderful and beloved by everyone, even most of her enemies. It's Kathrine you need to level your venom at, she's the snake in the grass that hires the assassin that kills Melissa, Morgan Kells wife, maims Morgan and later kills Omi.

Man, how twisted do you have to be to fall that low in a House so noble? Not hugged enough by mom and pop?

She took to calling herself Katrina after her noble grandmother. She had her boyfriend killed as well, he just didn't die. She's as cold and evil as they come.

[Rogue Azuryn]

Pappy, on 09 December 2011 - 03:36 PM, said:

just always liked the history and organization of the federated suns the most. also like there units.

I have agree. The lore really did it for me.

[Davison]

House Davion came into being from a world of farmers who had enough of an oppressive regime, along with a few rogue military officers. Since then, they've become one of the strongest Houses in the Inner Sphere, known for their military prowess time and again. And yet, despite being a constitutional monarchy, they still maintain wonderful freedoms for the average citizen, a fact often lost on those who focus on their militaristic end. Strong leaders, a strong military, and strong freedoms... Thats why I cast my lot in with House Davion.

[Justin Xang Allard]

Mystwolf, on 07 December 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

1) First TT/RPG version I Played a character in the Federated sons.

2) I read Warrior Trilogy and Loved the Story and the Way Hanse ran things. An awesome strategist and leader. It takes Guts to start a war at your wedding =)

3) Reading other BT books and playing RPG and the other Video games Federated Sons became my Primary House with Lyrans and DC a distant 2nd and 3rd.

same here