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[Soulstrom]

Title says it all.

I predict that the mech will be slightly more potent than the Jagermech. I personally like where they placed the arm mounted weapons. I worry about the antenna being a point where the mech will take damage on the torso. This could create problems when taking cover behind a hill.

[Ultimax]

Soulstrom, on 09 February 2016 - 07:23 PM, said:

Title says it all.

I predict that the mech will be slightly more potent than the Jagermech. I personally like where they placed the arm mounted weapons. I worry about the antenna being a point where the mech will take damage on the torso. This could create problems when taking cover behind a hill.

I think it will be an alternative to the Jagermech, but when it comes to ballistics - the more tonnage you have the better.

Other comments:

• STs look concerning
  
• CT looks like it protrudes
  
• 295 is a bad engine cap for heavy mechs that run a lot of energy

[LegendaryArticuno]

My prediction, the rifleman is the calm before LRM-mania in March.

[Macksheen]

Given that it's lighter than the Jager, unless it's quirked to hell or has magic geometry it's going to be weaker. God help it if it has the same weak-*** shoulders as the Jager too - combined w/ a need for XL on most of the JM6 builds, it's a really glass cannon.

They could do a pretty solid ROF increase on the ballistics, and i'd be a fan of a big beam duration / PPC seed boost. If it had really quick lasers that would reduce your face time it could be a nice way to make it useful ... and different. Imagine something wacky like 50% beam duration - it could work ... though I worry w/o structure and heat gen quirks it's still gonna be sub-par.

[Johnny Z]

Not my favourite of the original mechs but it very well could be the strongest of them all. Which of the other original mechs can hill hump like the Rifleman?

[Johnny Z]

Macksheen, on 09 February 2016 - 08:35 PM, said:

Given that it's lighter than the Jager, unless it's quirked to hell or has magic geometry it's going to be weaker. God help it if it has the same weak-*** shoulders as the Jager too - combined w/ a need for XL on most of the JM6 builds, it's a really glass cannon.

They could do a pretty solid ROF increase on the ballistics, and i'd be a fan of a big beam duration / PPC seed boost. If it had really quick lasers that would reduce your face time it could be a nice way to make it useful ... and different. Imagine something wacky like 50% beam duration - it could work ... though I worry w/o structure and heat gen quirks it's still gonna be sub-par.

Like others have already said, it isn't a lighter Jager, its a heavier Blackjack. The Rifleman may be a go to Inner Sphere mech.

[Lord0fHats]

Looks a lot like the Blackjack too. The Jager is a walking board with gun mounts on the side. The Rifleman looks a bit more idk, areodynamic? Could present a smaller target from the sides and front.

[Hit the Deck]

I've written my thoughts here:

• http://mwomercs.com/...ifleman-builds/
  
• http://mwomercs.com/...hter-jagermech/

And by someone else:

• https://mwomercs.com...ts-talk-builds/

Ultimax, on 09 February 2016 - 07:33 PM, said:

Other comments:

• STs look concerning
  
• CT looks like it protrudes
  
• 295 is a bad engine cap for heavy mechs that run a lot of energy

The protruding CT wouldn't be a problem since the arms block it from the sides. The STs are smaller than the Jäger's.

[Spheroid]

I think people will be pleasantly surprised, especially after the Quickdraw is nerfed. A smaller, faster dual gauss platform is highly appealing.

Edited by Spheroid, 09 February 2016 - 10:17 PM.

[FupDup]

Spheroid, on 09 February 2016 - 10:10 PM, said:

I think people will be pleasantly surprised especially after the Quickdraw is nerfed. Smaller, faster dual gauss platform is highly appealing.

The Rifleman won't be faster with dual Gauss, because just like the Jagermech it runs very low on tonnage when trying to fit those guns.

I used an IV4 to estimate how much stuff it could fit in: Poor Man's Gauss Rifleman

You get an XL195, giving you a top speed of 56 kph...you're basically slower than most assault mechs.


Here is a random Jager I made in Smurfys to use dual Goose: Derpy Gauss Jager

It goes 4 kph faster, has more armor, and has 2 backup Medium Lasers. If you remove the ML then you can go up to 71 kph.


So in conclusion, Jager is much better at boating heavy ballistics than the Rifle because being 5 tons heavier is a significant advantage. But then again, even the Jager has to make significant sacrifices to make it work...

Edited by FupDup, 09 February 2016 - 10:20 PM.

[Hit the Deck]

FupDup, on 09 February 2016 - 10:20 PM, said:

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So in conclusion, Jager is much better at boating heavy ballistics than the Rifle because being 5 tons heavier is a significant advantage. But then again, even the Jager has to make significant sacrifices to make it work...

That's pretty much the difference. Dual Goose, triple UAC/5, dual AC/5 + dual PPC, massed AC/2, or even SRMs are better served on the Jäger. Rifleman does single heavy ballistic + lasers or just lasers.

[Clownwarlord]

I predict the rifleman will be better than any other 60ton mech as well as better than some 70ton mechs because of its high mounted weapons.

[Macksheen]

Johnny Z, on 09 February 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

Like others have already said, it isn't a lighter Jager, its a heavier Blackjack. The Rifleman may be a go to Inner Sphere mech.

As in at 60 tons it will have the same structure as a Blackjack? And not be a jumper?

Either way, it's 15 tons heavier than the Blackjack - and right now that means it either takes 15 more tons from your option.

Tell me ... why would you use it instead of a Blackjack?

And one more, because reasons.

It's a Quickdraw with better arms. Right now those things only work because they are quirked to hell and back - and they have a better engine cap. Arms will be good - I'll agree to that, but I'm holding out to see how it plays before I get too wacky excited.

Mind you, I'm a grognard - I WANT IT TO BE GOOD.

But, have reservations.

[Widowmaker1981]

Roflman wont be able to run ballistic builds without mega quirks, it just doesnt have the tonnage. However it does have a lot going for it in terms of energy spam - high mounts in arms etc.. i think it will still need quirks though because the 290 engine cap hurts for an energy boat (lack of engine DHS slots)

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 10 February 2016 - 07:30 AM.

[TheCharlatan]

My prediction:
it will depend on scaling and quirks.
Scaled small, good energy and structure quirks? New meta 60 tonner.
Scaled big, mediocre quirks? Dust collector.

[Gas Guzzler]

Widowmaker1981, on 10 February 2016 - 07:30 AM, said:

Roflman wont be able to run ballistic builds without mega quirks, it just doesnt have the tonnage. However it does have a lot going for it in terms of energy spam - high mounts in arms etc.. i think it will still need quirks though because the 290 engine cap hurts for an energy boat (lack of engine DHS slots)

You can do 3LL and 5MLs with an XL 280 and 18 DHS. I mocked it up on a QKD-5K.

[STEF_]

I think it will be a lot of fun.
5 tons less than the Jag means problems with ballistic.
BUT u can see it like an overgrowned BJ, so an energy boat (with better torsi hardpoint locations, it seems)

[VirtualSmitty]

I think it will be the most lackluster of the unseen releases so far.

[Gas Guzzler]

Precentor Martial Jarcaddy, on 10 February 2016 - 07:48 AM, said:

I think it will be the most lackluster of the unseen releases so far.

It's ballistic builds are going to be disappointing unfortunately.

[Cyborne Elemental]

It better have 360 degree torso rotation
All I'm saying.