Xl400?
#1
Posted 10 June 2016 - 09:57 AM
Or shall I just sell it now?
#2
Posted 10 June 2016 - 10:01 AM
The Lobsters, on 10 June 2016 - 09:57 AM, said:
Or shall I just sell it now?
There are BNC and BLR builds that use it.
My all time high damage game (1477) was in an XL400 BNC-3M, actually.
#3
Posted 10 June 2016 - 10:19 AM
Well that's just confused me even more lol. The Banshee 3m doesn't have any structure quirks let alone ST quirks. Is there some esoteric assault mech-fu about when to XL that I can't figure out? I'm new to assaults. I mostly drive mediums. I got the Atlas as I was fed up of no-one getting the push going so I thought I'd lead from the front.
#4
Posted 10 June 2016 - 10:24 AM
The Lobsters, on 10 June 2016 - 10:19 AM, said:
Well that's just confused me even more lol. The Banshee 3m doesn't have any structure quirks let alone ST quirks. Is there some esoteric assault mech-fu about when to XL that I can't figure out? I'm new to assaults. I mostly drive mediums. I got the Atlas as I was fed up of no-one getting the push going so I thought I'd lead from the front.
It basically comes down to whether you can get more firepower and survivability (from agility and speed) by running an XL. In these days of high alphas and low TTK, you usually can. I used to think XLing any heavy or assault was daft and now most of the ones I run run XLs.
#5
Posted 10 June 2016 - 11:15 AM
Banshees with 5x LPL is a very scary mech, and usually gets center cored before loosing a side.
#6
Posted 10 June 2016 - 11:19 AM
Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky, on 10 June 2016 - 11:15 AM, said:
Banshees with 5x LPL is a very scary mech, and usually gets center cored before loosing a side.
Yep. For the record, I should point out that the 5LPL build usually runs an XL375 or XL380 depending on whether you use flamers or small lasers for shims. XL400 BNCs are usually 3LPL and MLs or MPLs.
Edited by TercieI, 10 June 2016 - 11:20 AM.
#7
Posted 11 June 2016 - 08:42 AM
With XL the limit is somewhere around 380 engine rating. You can save a lot more tonnage by reducing the speed of your atlas a few KPH, and I am talking about 2-3 KPH. Avoid the 400XL engine ...
Check out http://remlab.sourceforge.net/ for the original rules.
#8
Posted 11 June 2016 - 08:46 AM
If you twist good, the Banshee´s arms with the agility of the XL400 give good tankiness.
@ RolfS: Most good Atlas builds go with a STD 350, and there are plenty of Mechs that make good use of big XLs, especially clan Mechs.
Edited by DarthHias, 11 June 2016 - 08:47 AM.
#9
Posted 11 June 2016 - 12:29 PM
RolfS, on 11 June 2016 - 08:42 AM, said:
With XL the limit is somewhere around 380 engine rating. You can save a lot more tonnage by reducing the speed of your atlas a few KPH, and I am talking about 2-3 KPH. Avoid the 400XL engine ...
Check out http://remlab.sourceforge.net/ for the original rules.
That's a lot of theory that practical experience is needed to actually test. And will find it wanting, I'm afraid. Yes, the returns start to diminish, but there are other factors to consider (running out of slots/tonnage, extra engine HS slots, agility as well as speed, etc.). DarthHias has pointed out that brawling Atlases run (and need to run) STD350-355 and there are a few builds where the XL400 shines. Bluntly, linear analysis is far too simplistic for reality. There are floors below which mechs are just too slow depending on their roles and spots where other factors mitigate the diminishing returns. Spreadsheet theory is fine and has a place but it also has limitations and can't replace experience.
Edited by TercieI, 11 June 2016 - 12:36 PM.
#10
Posted 11 June 2016 - 07:09 PM
DarthHias, on 11 June 2016 - 08:46 AM, said:
Key to success right here: the Banshee's got shield arms that keep your STs safe if you've got the twist skills. Having the 400XL in a Banshee gives it a faster torso twist and lets you maximize your shield arms.
#11
Posted 17 June 2016 - 03:26 PM
#12
Posted 17 June 2016 - 03:46 PM
Also, remember, how fast you can twist your torso (and move your arms for that matter) is partially reliant upon what engine you put in your mech.
#13
Posted 01 July 2016 - 06:05 AM
#14
Posted 01 July 2016 - 10:10 AM
This video is a bit old now, but it is the B33F's video playing a BM with and XL400 and a bunch of Wubs. It will crack you up.
I tried it and loved it, it was a bunch of fun. So much so I made an XL400 variant for all my other Battlemasters.
#15
Posted 01 July 2016 - 09:09 PM
#16
Posted 02 July 2016 - 05:30 PM
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