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[Riffleman]

Had an arguement with someone on another website about the game. Said things like joysticks will never be competative, a mouse is far superior for pinpoint attacks like torsos and legs. Just tore into joysticks in a long tirade like I and everyone else planning on using a joystick had NO idea they were inferior.

Remember the days before killstreaks, headshots, quickscoping, e-sports, constant min maxing, premade vs pug beatdowns, kill/death and win/loss ratios?

What happened to playing a game for fun over the last 10 years?

When did playing a game as a fun simulator become an everything rides on your performance stress fest.

[Thontor]

Because it just feels wrong to pilot a mech with a mouse imo.

A lot of it is just the immersion factor...

Thontor, on 12 November 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

Since everyone seems to be liking this post, thought I should clarify...

Tried a joystick when I first got into closed beta... Unplugged it about halfway through my first match... I have gone to the dark side of mouse and keyboard... And honestly, I don't think I'll be going back. Joystick was great for MW4, but I just don't see how it can compete with the M&K with MWO's reticle system.

If anyone who liked that post wants to remove their like, I understand.

Edited by Thontor, 12 November 2012 - 06:57 AM.

[Harabeck]

It was designed for joysticks, but that was in the age where everyone had one. That isn't the case anymore, so you can't design a game around it. And as neat as they are, they really are crap for anything except flight sims.

Riffleman, on 16 July 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

Remember the days before killstreaks, headshots, quickscoping, e-sports, constant min maxing, premade vs pug beatdowns, kill/death and win/loss ratios?

In other words, the days before multiplayer. Any competitive multiplayer game ever had these things, and MWO is a competitive multiplayer game.

[Riffleman]

thontor, on 16 July 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

Because it just feels wrong to pilot a mech with a mouse imo.

A lot of it is just the immersion factor...

I dont mind, but your correct, a joystick at least to me will always feel more mechwarrior than even the best mouse.

[Bongo TauKat Talasko]

I play with my newly purchased X52...



...and before that the x45.

Why? Yeah HOTAS is cool and I could gush over the multi weapons control. My main reason? Because looking out of a cockpit with a headset on calling contacts while using a flight stick and throttle like the books, is just way more fun than flicking a mouse around and typing on a keyboard.

[Riffleman]

Mabye next to your win/loss ratio they should have a little picture of a mouse or joystick, so when people go to laugh at your score, they can instead say "oh hey well thats not too bad for handicapping yourself with a joystick"

Joysticks.

Mechwarrior hard mode.

[Terror Teddy]

Mouse aiming might be easier but a good throttle with rudder flaps and a solid joystick gives so much more immersion - If i can combine that with TrackIR/TrackNoIR for HUD aiming then Im in heaven. Especially when I can use the below sticky.

Edited by Terror Teddy, 16 July 2012 - 11:39 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I think a good joystick gaming rig would be cool. A good joystick should be pretty accurate too. I think the accuracy issue comes into play more with a game controller (like the Xbox360 controller). The thumb sicks are pretty hard to use accuratly without some sort of snap-to auto aim.

More then likely though, I will be using the mouse the whole time I play the game.

[00seven]

I'm old enough to remember getting blisters from the Atari 2600 joystick when Space Invaders came out. Left-Right-Fire...Nuff said.
I'll start with mouse / kb and get a feel for the game...then decide if a joystick will make it more "fun" for me. (as thontor hinted at above)
Plus I can use the joystick for PowerPoint presentations at work...who needs a wimpy presenter clicker when you have FIRE BUTTONS!

[Boss Awesome]

A mouse is superior to a joystick for control if the game is designed with a sensative cursor that works best with a mouse. I've also played games where a mouse sucked and the joystick was much more competitive, such as IL-2 Sturmovik. If the game doesn't let you just whip the cursor around and shoot what you click but instead requires keeping a cursor steady and turning into a shot then the joystick will work better. I haven't played MWO but hope it will work more like a flight simulator than a clicky shooty game. I think a joystick would be more fun regardless but if the mouse gives a huge advantage then I most likely would just use the mouse because I don't want to feel like i am at a huge disadvantage.

[ollo]

IIRC the mechwarrior didn't use the joystick to aim really, it was more mind-controlled via the neurohelmet (perhaps a little eye-tracking thrown in for good measure?), but i may be completely wrong. For me, a joystick would be much less immersive than a mouse, because my eye-hand-coordination works that way -> ergo neurohelmet.

..plus joystick sucks for anything other than flight sims. Perhaps i'd use it for a LAM...

[Steel Prophet]

I just don't get it... i always played Mechwarrior with a Joystick and never noticed any difference between my accuracy and that of a known mouse player. It all comes down to what you are used to.

[Riffleman]

Bongo TauKat Talasko, on 16 July 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

I play with my newly purchased X52...



...and before that the x45.

Why? Yeah HOTAS is cool and I could gush over the multi weapons control. My main reason? Because looking out of a cockpit with a headset on calling contacts while using a flight stick and throttle like the books, is just way more fun than flicking a mouse around and typing on a keyboard.

That top joystick is sexy art sir.

I just ordered this sucker, should arive in a few days. Not nearly as high end as yours, but affordable and good reviews all around, also has hotas.

Edited by Riffleman, 16 July 2012 - 11:45 AM.

[Kraven Kor]

Pretty much immersion, and - in theory - better piloting. Mouse wins for aiming, joystick / throttle might be better for actual maneuvering, though that is yet to be seen.

But, as has been said, playing a Mechwarrior game without a Joystick is... just, wrong... somehow...

[Thontor]

I've had this thing for years.. this is what I choose to handicap myself with:


sad i know

but i'm poor

Honestly though, as much as it it feels wrong to use a mouse, I'll probably try both ways and see if the mouse precision outweighs the "precision 2" immersion factor

[Turbo]

I got an X52 Pro and love it, Im even grabbing a set of pedals shortly to round out the setup. I cant imagine playing a mech game without a joysitck. Even Mech 2 i was playing on an old ch products fighter sticker.

[Jason1138]

i would love to be able to play this game with a mouse and keyboard but the controls for that in mechwarrior 4 were horrible so i had to use a joystick there

waiting to see what the control sceme is here but i'm pretty sure it will have to be a joystick to accomodate torso twisting and all that. hope i'm wrong

[Bongo TauKat Talasko]

Riffleman, on 16 July 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

That top joystick is sexy art sir.

I just ordered this sucker, should arive in a few days. Not nearly as high end as yours, but affordable and good reviews all around, also has hotas.

The sick thing is, I picked up the barely used top one on EBay for 99 cents. I giggled like a school girl when I saw the bid win. It turns out the shipping cost more than the controller.

[River McCain]

This will not be a twitch friendly game.

Just an educated guess.

[sumdumfu]

look at all the elitist quake/counterstrike/cod snobs thinking they know what's best just cuz they can wrist flick like nobody's business. here's some bad news for you wannabe pwners: so can I, and wrist flicking is irrelevant in this game. you wouldn't fly a combat plane with a mouse would you? same reasons apply, just with one less maneuvering axis.