Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 19 July 2016 - 07:46 AM, said:
RedDragon, on 19 July 2016 - 12:15 PM, said:
Sure, we have a lot of idiotic things in our country, who hasn't? If you'd call us out for our weak politicians who brown-nose guys like RecepErdogan just to not lose Turkey as a politcal ally, I'd gladly applaud you.
But plugging your ears with your fingers and going "Lalala I can't hear you because you are not an American" is just dumb. Recognizing that free gun laws is a bad thing has nothing to do with nationality, it's a matter of common sense.
You yourself say that you know at least 4 people who were involved or harmed in shooting accidents. Over here you'd be hard pressed to find a single guy under the thousands on the street who knows someone who actually ever got into contact with the wrong side of a firearm or even a gun at all. Over here the common guy does not have to live in fear of ever being shot. Most likely most Germans will never see a gun for real and will never know anyone who was harmed by one.
I just can't understand how this can be seen as a bad thing.
What my American friends tell me, over there it is rather uncommon to not know at least one guy who hasn't been involved in an accident with guns or who on their part know someone who was. And I think it is pretty sad to just accept this as the price for the "freedom" to collect as many guns as you like.
And this is where we are on topic again: Sure it is a tragedy that another cop was shot. But sadly it is not an unforeseeable tragedy. It is a probable tragedy that will repeat itself without any doubt. It's like letting your kids play with hand grenades and then bemourning the loss when one of them explodes. Surely it's tragic, but everyone has seen it coming and it won't stop if you keep letting them play with hand grenades.
I Zeratul I, on 19 July 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:
I don't have anything against cops. There have been a few times when cops could have arrested me and my friends for things we did and they let us go. Based on my experiences I would say some cops are cool.
But recently it seems like things have changed for the worse. The attitude cops have and the way they carry themselves have changed. Maybe its because their training standards have decreased? I don't know what it is but something has changed. Police seem to treat people a lot worse than they used to & it is generating resentment against them.
Its also interesting how we both agree cops could be better trained and there's "no funding" for that. But there is funding for gun control? Strange how that works.
Germany doesn't have poverty the way the united states does.
Some cities in the united states have higher death tolls than warzones in the middle east. Hence why some refer to chicago as chIraq.
Getting rid of guns won't change that. It won't change the fact that a lot of people are living in poverty with no way to provide for themselves and their families other than crime.
The only thing getting rid of guns does is leave people at the mercy of their government. When h1tler was in power (Godwin's law ftw) many germans wished they owned guns so that they could rise up in rebellion, but all were unarmed. That's one lesson germans don't seem to have learned.
Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 19 July 2016 - 09:47 PM, said:
Also honestly I do not think cops treat people any worse. I think we are only now hearing about a large amount of this because of this thing called the internet, and wide spread media (things that didn't have much attention or use 20 or 30 years ago). Hell until the mid 2000's the internet was still not a really huge thing for media until stuff like Youtube and such became crazy popular.
Until the internet became really popular we never heard barely anything about police brutality and I think that it is because people are only just now able to start recording it and such.
Also of the 30+ police I have met, I am yet to find one that was anything less than friendly to me... AND I LIVE IN DETROIT.
But I do agree they need better training. I also say that the american people need to stop viewing our police as the oppressors, and enemies and we also need to get them psychological help and training (more than 50% of Police in the USA have PTSD which I bet it a cause for some of this).
I think police brutality and the way we see police is a problem from all sides, and the fault is not just the police IMO.
I agree here 100%
But then again this is RedDragon... his only opinion is that Germany regulations on guns are completely right.
So basically Americans are stupid for not giving up their guns, police dying in America is whatever, and you are proud of the fact that if your country was invaded your entire nation could be obliterated from Earth and never put up a fight, and that your government could completely oppress you at any second, but all of this is okay because you can drink beer at a younger age. That is what I got from that.
Also... I am not plugging my ears. I am ignoring you because you know NOTHING about living in America besides what you read online. Come live in Detroit for half your life, then you can say something. Don't be telling me I shouldn't be carrying a pistol when you haven't had a day to fear like I have.
The problem you have here dude is that you don't seem to get it through your skull that GANGS AND BAD GUYS WILL HAVE GUNS EVEN IF THEY ARE ILLEGAL!!!!!! Taking away guns just makes it easier for them to kill us. Again see the fact that I have lost a cousin who was a cop, MY BEST FRIEND who died by a gang member from organized crime, etc. Bad guys ALWAYS HAVE WEAPONS... ALWAYS.
Come live in Chicago, Detroit, Flint, Camden, Ferguson etc for a couple years. Your close minded gun ideologies will probably change when you get a bullet through your car.
Banning guns doesn't stop bad people from having them. It stops good people from defending themselves (as proven in Sandy Hook, where if one of those teachers had had a gun that entire shooting would have been avoided). Gun regulations hurt just as much as the fix...
When you live here in America, then you can have a say. But until you step out from behind your rose colored stain-glass windows and come here, you will have no idea what it is like here. I am sick and tired of people like you, acting as though you know that these things will work, when your country has nothing in common with mine. You are ignorant of what it is like to live in a place like Detroit or Chicago and are ignorant of what Gangs and organized crime can do because your nation doesn't have these problems. Talking with a "few" friends from America will NEVER give you a true impression of what it is like to live here.
Now good bye. This thread is nothing but a bait thread IMO, and these topics are again forbidden. I am also tired of foreigners thinking they know what it is like to be American and how this country should be run.
The only thing getting rid of guns does is leave people at the mercy of their government. When h1tler was in power (Godwin's law ftw) many germans wished they owned guns so that they could rise up in rebellion, but all were unarmed. That's one lesson germans don't seem to have learned.
That is a nice story, but It don't hold water. I don't think that only a handful of people in Germany of the 30s wanted to get rid of him.
But do you think that a single person is so powerful that he can come frome nowhere and become the sole leader of one of the biggest pre atombomb superpowers? No he had people that did support him - like today people that only had $ or RM in ther eyes when they thought about the possibilities.
But the normal person going on daily routine - loved (because he saved his family of poverty) or ignored him. As an interesting side note - my Oncle was shot down on the 3rd September 39 - over German teritory near the border to France. Interesting concidence when you remember that the war in poland started because Poland rejected a railway route to connect this part of germany (ost prussia. with the other parts (pommern) - you can compare it with the invasion of Panama when you want a more actual comparison. Funny side fact - up to 1946 it was a country supremecy to wage war. This was branded an act against humanity after founding the UN.
Anyhow history is history - but as with the first world war - you need usually two or more parties to have a war on such a big scope. But while it is common knowledge that Germany was sole responsible for WWI it is not political correct to say the same about WWII.
Come live in Chicago, Detroit, Flint, Camden, Ferguson etc for a couple years. Your close minded gun ideologies will probably change when you get a bullet through your car.
Banning guns doesn't stop bad people from having them. It stops good people from defending themselves (as proven in Sandy Hook, where if one of those teachers had had a gun that entire shooting would have been avoided). Gun regulations hurt just as much as the fix
Again this doesn't happen here on a regularly basis. And you are absolutely right - bad guys have guns (I did know some)
Heck I even did know some people that would have sold me a Makarov 9mm with 48 shots for €300 back in 2002 (Well the main reason I declined: I was a bad shot with pistols - i rather stayed with my knifes)
There were a lot of guns and still are after the sovjets leaved east germany, heck there was even a working T72 in a forest near my home town.
I admit if i would have the option I would have a KRISS Vector for my wife and a HK 417 for myself - but this would only be helpful when the full country is 100% civil war, anarchy or zombicalpyse mode. Sound stupid right?
I don't think it would help much in protecting you or your family against robbery or burglary. It may just increase the threat of getting killed in both events.
This is the next thing when somebody want to kill you not weapon will save you.
The next thing about guns is - we are apes. When in danger we tend to react like the chimps we are. Fight or Flight - and ususally try to make as much noise and be as intimidating as possible to fend of this thread.
In the past shouting and swinging swords or pitchforks was the way - today its the gun. It is load it is deadly and it gives the owner the false feeling of security.
There is an interesting book - On Killing - (http://www.military-sf.com/) - about this topic.
OK not to get to the main point.
First thing is everything people tell you are lies. Each and every news today are created to deliver a messge. When you find facts against gun regulations or facts for gun regulations you can be sure that both findings are doctored.
When you read news in the Internet or see them in TV - they are doctored
Take for example the total destruction of the political stability of north Africa and the middle east.
Were those dictatorships? Maybe? But do you really think that those people think they are free now? And the thing you find hard to believe and you will call for tin foils for my head. Think-tanks founded by nations (like US; Britain, Germany - NATO) did know perfectly what would happen when they destabilized those countries and support rebels.
They did it to get gain - may it be more weapons sold or maybe to please some Arabic princess to get cheaper oil. Do I have proof? Well no - but it is hard to believe that people didn't foforesee what was happening.
Do you think Syria is a right cause? A funny thing I started to read some SicFi Novel (The Red series) lately and there was mentioned poison gas - form Syria. This is interesting because it cement the opinion of people.
And of course NATO or UN aside at the higher politics there are no friends. A think tank in US might have spit out the numbers that a war in Europe would be great for your economy.
You mentioned poverty - when there is no competition in Europe most people in your country might have enough work. Well the Ukraine didn't worked well enough - but at least European country stopped to deal with Russia - a lot of small companys here in Saxony have serious problems because of this embargo. But the interesting not so obvious know fact is that US companys still deal with Russia.
Of course it is not know to the public - and I think it is good. Because the Patriotic[color=#000000][/color]Europeans[color=#000000][/color]Against[color=#000000][/color]theIslamization[color=#000000][/color]of[color=#000000][/color]the[color=#000000][/color]Occident Movement are talking enough ******** against US and hailing Russia as the only true friend. Althoug I also hate the political correctness ******** against Russia, either.
But as said there are no friends and there are only lies.