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#1 I Peed My Pants

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 05:13 AM

got a new job, just hit 30... thought id treat myself...

would like to hit 40 min, though might be asking too much at 4k.

Proposed rig:
6600k
1060/70
16gb ram

will that be enough? or is the i7 worth the extra $?

cheers.

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 06:28 AM

Indeed, the i5 6600K (OCed of course) and a GTX 1070 should be sufficient for MWO at 4K. I don't think we have a ton of performance data regarding the CPU-bound settings (particles, shadows, environment - in that order) so you may still need to turn one or more of them down a bit.

My only specific recommendations would be to use a very good AIO, very good thermal compound (such as MX-2 or MX-4), a motherboard that will support pretty fast DDR4 RAM, and then the fastest RAM that board will support (aim for DDR4-3400 if you can, if not then DDR4-3200 will suffice and just go for lower CL).

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 07:58 PM

View PostxWiredx, on 11 August 2016 - 06:28 AM, said:

Indeed, the i5 6600K (OCed of course) and a GTX 1070 should be sufficient for MWO at 4K. I don't think we have a ton of performance data regarding the CPU-bound settings (particles, shadows, environment - in that order) so you may still need to turn one or more of them down a bit.

My only specific recommendations would be to use a very good AIO, very good thermal compound (such as MX-2 or MX-4), a motherboard that will support pretty fast DDR4 RAM, and then the fastest RAM that board will support (aim for DDR4-3400 if you can, if not then DDR4-3200 will suffice and just go for lower CL).


cheers for the info, a few questions:
AIO = cooler of some sort? I'd like to avoid liquid, im building myself but im far from experienced, would rather stick with air coolers if possible.
What i know about MOBO's could fill a very small cup. with a hole in the bottom. thats already full of cement... any suggestions? (im in aus) had been looking at the asus b150m pro gaming... though if high freq. ram is the key would a Z170-K be a better choice? only $60 diff at local supplier so not gonna loose sleep over that...
thanks mate.

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 05:20 AM

View PostI Peed My Pants, on 11 August 2016 - 07:58 PM, said:


cheers for the info, a few questions:
AIO = cooler of some sort? I'd like to avoid liquid, im building myself but im far from experienced, would rather stick with air coolers if possible.
What i know about MOBO's could fill a very small cup. with a hole in the bottom. thats already full of cement... any suggestions? (im in aus) had been looking at the asus b150m pro gaming... though if high freq. ram is the key would a Z170-K be a better choice? only $60 diff at local supplier so not gonna loose sleep over that...
thanks mate.


AIO = all-in-one water cooler, such as a Corsair H50 (I'm not recommending that, its an old model that has been improved upon many times by now). They do not require assembly or the typical custom water loop maintenance (like refilling).

Z170 motherboard all the way. That's the only way you'll be able to get the most out of that unlocked i5 chip.

#5 Myantra

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 09:32 AM

I do not monitor FPS, but this is what I have:

Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 3
i7 6700k @ 4.4
Corsair H100i GTX AIO water cooler
16GB DDR4 3200
GTX 1070
Samsung 950 Pro

Everything maxed out on 1080p (2k) and I have not run into a single problem on any map in QP. I planned to spend a little time this weekend testing it in 4k (I play on a Vizio 50" 4k TV).

I will absolutely second Wired's suggestion about an AIO water cooler. My case is basically silent with the 6700k @ 4.4, even when playing for any length of time. The Corsair H100i GTX barely breaks a sweat.

#6 ChaoticUrlond

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 10:07 AM

The game doesn't support 4k Resolution, 2k is fine. I run an Amd 8350, R 290 4 gig, and I get stable frames in the 60s or higher at 2k. 4k I get roughly the same, but like I said. The game doesn't support 4k reso.

#7 Lord Letto

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 11:40 AM

What's your Budget?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4S ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($82.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.59 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW DT GAMING Video Card ($649.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.00 @ B&H)
Total: $1570.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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#8 Myantra

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 03:22 PM

Lord Letto's build is quite solid. Only thing I would change is the CPU cooler, as I'd definitely go for an AIO water cooler with a 6700k.

#9 xWiredx

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 04:09 PM

View PostMyantra, on 12 August 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Lord Letto's build is quite solid. Only thing I would change is the CPU cooler, as I'd definitely go for an AIO water cooler with a 6700k.

Agree, there's literally no reason to blow the extra on the i7 and then put such a tiny cooler on it.

Then again, the i5 has proven to be just as powerful for gaming as the i7, so there's also no reason to go with the i7 if it's just gonna be a gaming machine.

#10 Lord Letto

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 04:46 PM

I Went with the i7 because MWO Uses a Lot of CPU as it is at 1080P, With a Higher Resolution (4K) It Would likely use more CPU also so better be safe than sorry,
From what I Seen, OP Don't want no Liquid cooling, Air Only unless there's such a thing as a Air Only AIO? the 212 EVO is a Good starting point, Better than the Non Existent Stock Cooler. Maybe a Noctura would be a better choice though, either a D14 or D15.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($70.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4S ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($82.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.59 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW DT GAMING Video Card ($649.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.00 @ B&H)
Total: $1616.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-12 20:46 EDT-0400

With I5 instead of I7:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($70.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4S ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($82.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.59 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW DT GAMING Video Card ($649.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.00 @ B&H)
Total: $1516.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-12 20:46 EDT-0400

#11 Peter2k

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 11:16 PM

If you really want to treat yourself get a 6800k and a nice x99 now
With a nice AiO

and get a 1080ti or a AMD Vega when it comes out
You can bridge until then with a 980/ti (even used maybe)

But really would be good to have a 1080 for 4k if you have to have it right now
Though keep in mind those 10X0 are still a bit in short supply, exaggerating prices here n there

And I saw you asking about a B or Z board
I think B and H don't let you use turbo boost
And I think only Z board let you OC, which you most likely want any away
Don't think I ever saw a skylake not hitting 4.4 Ghz easy


View PostLord Letto, on 12 August 2016 - 04:46 PM, said:

From what I Seen, OP Don't want no Liquid cooling, Air Only unless there's such a thing as a Air Only AIO?


Don't exactly know what you mean here
An AiO is a watercooling solution that comes pre filled and assembled
You just slap the cpu block on the cpu and hang the radiator wherever it fits in you're case(and hopefully the air gets blown out right away as well)
It's also maintenence free

View PostChaoticUrlond, on 12 August 2016 - 10:07 AM, said:

The game doesn't support 4k Resolution, 2k is fine. I run an Amd 8350, R 290 4 gig, and I get stable frames in the 60s or higher at 2k. 4k I get roughly the same, but like I said. The game doesn't support 4k reso.


Well it supports every resolution, even the exotic 21:9 ones
But the UI doesn't

In 4k you can't make things out easily any more
Except if you're sitting in front of a 60" 4k TV maybe

Also some people have been known to play other games form time to time again ;-)

Edited by Peter2k, 13 August 2016 - 02:33 AM.


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Posted 13 August 2016 - 01:09 AM

View PostMyantra, on 12 August 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Lord Letto's build is quite solid. Only thing I would change is the CPU cooler, as I'd definitely go for an AIO water cooler with a 6700k.

Those low end Asrock boards scare me for doing any real overclocking. You really should be spending at least 175-200$ US on a proper MOBO with real overclocking capabilities.

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Posted 13 August 2016 - 02:45 AM

ha perhaps i should have checked this thread this morning before heading out (no email alert for some reason... oh wait i just saw the 'follow this topic' checkbox as im typing this. durrrr...).

In any case thanks all for your advice but everyone after my 2nd comment is too late hah. went out today and bought my new toy, just for interest this is what i got:

6600k w coolmaster 103 (didn't want to faf about with water, even a AIO... look at me using all the fancy acronyms :P) gets good ratings and i dont mind upgrading later if i really want to push things, probably wont though.
1070 asus dual
z170-AR
3333 Ripjaws 8gx2
600w corsair
samsug 850 500gb ssd

didn't go for the 1080/i7 combo - was getting pricey enough as is, and i think this'll do just fine given its an upgrade from a laptop running a 2.4 ivy bridge i7 and a 660m.

all in a fractal define r4. no windows cause im not into looking at the pc, it may even end up in a soundproof box as after 4 years with a noisy laptop im keen to use something silent.

Just finished building and currently installing stuff. dont think ill get to try mwo on it given my internet is **** and downloading the game may as well be left to an overnight thing.

chrs again. will try and remember to come back and update with the frames i get on this rig for anyone else considering a new build.

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Posted 13 August 2016 - 09:01 AM

I think you will be pleased with what you ended up getting. All 1070's are strong cards, and the 6600k is a good overclocker. That Fractal case will also leave you with plenty of room to grow (I have a Define S myself). You will have no trouble running MWO at 1080p for sure.

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Posted 13 August 2016 - 06:50 PM

View PostI Peed My Pants, on 13 August 2016 - 02:45 AM, said:

ha perhaps i should have checked this thread this morning before heading out (no email alert for some reason... oh wait i just saw the 'follow this topic' checkbox as im typing this. durrrr...).

In any case thanks all for your advice but everyone after my 2nd comment is too late hah. went out today and bought my new toy, just for interest this is what i got:

6600k w coolmaster 103 (didn't want to faf about with water, even a AIO... look at me using all the fancy acronyms Posted Image) gets good ratings and i dont mind upgrading later if i really want to push things, probably wont though.
1070 asus dual
z170-AR
3333 Ripjaws 8gx2
600w corsair
samsug 850 500gb ssd

didn't go for the 1080/i7 combo - was getting pricey enough as is, and i think this'll do just fine given its an upgrade from a laptop running a 2.4 ivy bridge i7 and a 660m.

all in a fractal define r4. no windows cause im not into looking at the pc, it may even end up in a soundproof box as after 4 years with a noisy laptop im keen to use something silent.

Just finished building and currently installing stuff. dont think ill get to try mwo on it given my internet is **** and downloading the game may as well be left to an overnight thing.

chrs again. will try and remember to come back and update with the frames i get on this rig for anyone else considering a new build.

Well, the whole point of getting a K-series chip is to overclock it, and if we're being honest MWO requires that or you get some pretty nasty frame rate dips when CPU-related settings are put at high/very high. That tiny cooler will -not- allow for overclocking, plain and simple. This is why an AIO is recommended. There is very little reason not to have an AIO other than "oops, I ran out of money". You don't have to assemble, fill, or maintain it beyond changing the thermal compound (which you have to do on all coolers every couple years).

Minus that tidbit, you definitely got a nice system and you will definitely enjoy it. Most games aren't CPU-bound so with MWO as probably the only exception your system will take you very gracefully into 4K gaming.

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Posted 13 August 2016 - 06:59 PM

View PostI Peed My Pants, on 13 August 2016 - 02:45 AM, said:

ha perhaps i should have checked this thread this morning before heading out (no email alert for some reason... oh wait i just saw the 'follow this topic' checkbox as im typing this. durrrr...).

In any case thanks all for your advice but everyone after my 2nd comment is too late hah. went out today and bought my new toy, just for interest this is what i got:

6600k w coolmaster 103 (didn't want to faf about with water, even a AIO... look at me using all the fancy acronyms Posted Image) gets good ratings and i dont mind upgrading later if i really want to push things, probably wont though.
1070 asus dual
z170-AR
3333 Ripjaws 8gx2
600w corsair
samsug 850 500gb ssd

didn't go for the 1080/i7 combo - was getting pricey enough as is, and i think this'll do just fine given its an upgrade from a laptop running a 2.4 ivy bridge i7 and a 660m.

all in a fractal define r4. no windows cause im not into looking at the pc, it may even end up in a soundproof box as after 4 years with a noisy laptop im keen to use something silent.

Just finished building and currently installing stuff. dont think ill get to try mwo on it given my internet is **** and downloading the game may as well be left to an overnight thing.

chrs again. will try and remember to come back and update with the frames i get on this rig for anyone else considering a new build.


Return that crappy cooler and pick up a AIO cooler. They are pretty much exact same install (mount bracket to motherboard, secure cooler) + added step of securing radiator to case. That's it, nothing else, and you will be able to push that 6600K to 4.6Ghz +.

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Posted 13 August 2016 - 11:37 PM

View PostVxheous Kerensky, on 13 August 2016 - 06:59 PM, said:


Return that crappy cooler and pick up a AIO cooler. They are pretty much exact same install (mount bracket to motherboard, secure cooler) + added step of securing radiator to case. That's it, nothing else, and you will be able to push that 6600K to 4.6Ghz +.

lol, yeah. For a higher end skylake chip that cooler is garbage. If you are still stubborn about liquids at least do some research and get a proper air cooler.



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Posted 15 August 2016 - 09:49 PM

haha relax lads... they didn't have the cooler i wanted in stock (Noctua NH-D15S) so i got something that would suffice till i could order one in. was a bit iffy on aio's since i saw a lot of feedback saying they dont last... local shop didn't have much of a range. havent oc'ed at all yet, and runs at only 10c over ambient (about 30c). particles still make the frames drop to the 30's or even 20's at 4k (everything set very high), but otherwise holds pretty strong at 35-45. 2k its almost locked at 60pfs, only dipping to 50's when point blank with UACS into dirt. biggest issue so far has been getting windows 10 and drivers working properly.

best part has been I dont need to zoom anymore for sniping hah.

edit/update...
even without OC it looks like a 6600 and a 1070 is a good combo for 4k mwo - just now turned off the AA (hardly needed on 4k) everything else on very high, and its gained about 20fps - sits around 60 for most stuff down to 40's in big fights, though still seen it briefly hit low 30's with half a team shooting the guy i was spectating... pretty happy given its a stock system atm. now if there was just a way to make the mechlab a bit bigger... :/

Edited by I Peed My Pants, 16 August 2016 - 12:33 AM.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 08:20 AM

View PostI Peed My Pants, on 15 August 2016 - 09:49 PM, said:

pretty happy given its a stock system atm. now if there was just a way to make the mechlab a bit bigger... :/


Good luck. In a past town hall, Russ basically said UI scaling wasn't even a consideration. There was a decent amount of backlash, so maybe they finally decided to work on it, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

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Posted 18 August 2016 - 06:41 PM

View PostxWiredx, on 16 August 2016 - 08:20 AM, said:


Good luck. In a past town hall, Russ basically said UI scaling wasn't even a consideration. There was a decent amount of backlash, so maybe they finally decided to work on it, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

yea im not holding my breath, though its not too bad on a 40" screen, still quite readable, just annoying to do all the mech load-outs on the top left 1/4 of the screen.





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