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[Davers]

Elizander, on 13 August 2016 - 03:05 AM, said:

It's perfectly in-line with all the other assaults. Kodiak pilots are just more skilled than the other scrubs in other equally capable mechs that aren't Kodiaks.

Ah yes, the typical MWO answer. When I win it's skill, when you win it's "Enjoying your crutch mech noob!?"

[Yellonet]

Davers, on 13 August 2016 - 03:51 AM, said:

Ah yes, the typical MWO answer. When I win it's skill, when you win it's "Enjoying your crutch mech noob!?"

No hablo sarcasm?

[Stone Wall]

Kodiak is the best Assault. ACH is the best Light.

[SQW]

Stone Wall, on 13 August 2016 - 04:03 AM, said:

Kodiak is the best Assault.

Kodiak is the newest mech. People just want to play with the newest toy rather than the old, musty, worn Atlas etc. Also, Kodiak's weapon points are made for PPFLD alpha warriors.

[Davers]

Yellonet, on 13 August 2016 - 03:54 AM, said:

No hablo sarcasm?

I was agreeing with the sarcasm...was that not apparent?

[Juodas Varnas]

SQW, on 13 August 2016 - 04:06 AM, said:

Kodiak is the newest mech.

HA! Right.
That's the reason.

I can't wait for the Cyclops to get similar scores... I'll be surprised if it'll achieve HALF of what the Kodiak's getting

[El Bandito]

SQW, on 13 August 2016 - 04:06 AM, said:

Kodiak is the newest mech. People just want to play with the newest toy rather than the old, musty, worn Atlas etc. Also, Kodiak's weapon points are made for PPFLD alpha warriors.

Expect the Kodiak variant that has the best score uses dakka, instead of PPFLDs.

[Neathdrawls]

Alistair Winter, on 13 August 2016 - 02:00 AM, said:

I also notice that the Awesome is one of the highest scoring mechs. #1 Awesome is at 3128, #10 Awesome is at 2653 points. By comparison, the #1 Atlas is at 2819 points and #10 Atlas is at 2504 points. The #2 King Crab is at 3150 points and #10 King Crab is at 2673 points.

In other words, except for that super skilled #1 King Crab pilot, the Awesome is doing very well compared to the Atlas and the King Crab. But why is this?

I suspect that this leaderboard is influenced by the fact that you can get absolutely insanely good matches by clubbing seals with the AWS-8R LRM boat on Polar Highlands, for example, when the enemy team has 8 clueless assault mechs. This will not normally be the case outside of these events. Indeed, a lot of the best assault mech LRM carriers are doing quite well, and this may explain why even the IS Highlander is getting surprisingly decent numbers (almost as good as the Highlander IIC, which is crazy)

Hey, that is me! *blushes*

Contrary to popular belief, not much of the clubbing was done at Polar. In fact, I got murdered most of the time by lrms in Polar. If memeory serves me right, out of the 10 matches that i think counted, none of it was Polar. Best game was on Canyon, lobbing lrms at the enemy at 300m, in their faces with wonderful support from the rest of the team.

Leaderboards are all about the grind. How many games can you grind out with 1K plus damage, with 3 or 4 solo kills.

Or in the case of the KDK, 1.5K+++ damage games.

[XtremWarrior]

Such a discrepancy cannot be refuted by a simple "best player are all using Kodiak". This answer in itself would still prove Kodiaks are better, since every good player are using it.

Also, as the challenge is per chassis, some good players would still take another Mech they know really well to have less competition on the board. Can somebody actually believe that good players take KDK only and no other Mech?


I never saw the Kodiaks as Op Mechs, only a strong chassis, but this shows that, wether KDK are OP or other assaults are underperforming, the balance is off somewhere.

[LLMbenny]

El Bandito, on 13 August 2016 - 04:14 AM, said:

Expect the Kodiak variant that has the best score uses dakka, instead of PPFLDs.

the arm hardpoints are to low to be as effective as dakka

[Davers]

XtremWarrior, on 13 August 2016 - 04:29 AM, said:

Such a discrepancy cannot be refuted by a simple "best player are all using Kodiak". This answer in itself would still prove Kodiaks are better, since every good player are using it.

Also, as the challenge is per chassis, some good players would still take another Mech they know really well to have less competition on the board. Can somebody actually believe that good players take KDK only and no other Mech?


I never saw the Kodiaks as Op Mechs, only a strong chassis, but this shows that, wether KDK are OP or other assaults are underperforming, the balance is off somewhere.

As Gyrok would say, "As long as Clan mechs are consistently having the top scores, balance is fine."

[Stone Wall]

SQW is just on a salt quest against me. It's obvious the Kodiak is the best.

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

An alt account farming low tiers indicates nothing.

[S3B]

^ This match is only worth 482 points with the current scoring formula. Clearly 6000 is never going to happen...

[Alistair Winter]

Neathdrawls, on 13 August 2016 - 04:24 AM, said:

Hey, that is me! *blushes*
Contrary to popular belief, not much of the clubbing was done at Polar. In fact, I got murdered most of the time by lrms in Polar. If memeory serves me right, out of the 10 matches that i think counted, none of it was Polar. Best game was on Canyon, lobbing lrms at the enemy at 300m, in their faces with wonderful support from the rest of the team.
Leaderboards are all about the grind. How many games can you grind out with 1K plus damage, with 3 or 4 solo kills.
Or in the case of the KDK, 1.5K+++ damage games.

What build are you running? AWS-8R with 4xLRM15?

I know that LRMs are good on plenty of maps, like Frozen City, Canyon, Alpine, Caustic Valley, etc. I'm sure it's different from player to player which of those actually gave the precious 1K plus matches.

Hell, sometimes you even see teams Lurmed to death on Mining collective.

[Neathdrawls]

Alistair Winter, on 13 August 2016 - 04:58 AM, said:

What build are you running? AWS-8R with 4xLRM15?

I know that LRMs are good on plenty of maps, like Frozen City, Canyon, Alpine, Caustic Valley, etc. I'm sure it's different from player to player which of those actually gave the precious 1K plus matches.

Hell, sometimes you even see teams Lurmed to death on Mining collective.

2 LL 3 LRM15A. Yeah those are the common maps that you think lrms will work better, but it really depends on the team,on how bad we derp together sometimes.

Usually I try to tag and lrm my own targets from the front though, bonus if my team helps to rain on them too.

[Johnny Z]

Stone Wall, on 13 August 2016 - 04:03 AM, said:

Kodiak is the best Assault. ACH is the best Light.

Your close. The Direwolf is as good or better in the right hands and under the right circumstances. Even the King Crab will stop a Kodiak in its tracks.

Its the Kodiaks speed that gives it the edge, just like the Timberwolf.

Arctic Cheddar has everything, even a high alpha and ECM and jump jets....

The Clans do have the best mech in every weight class and arguably the top 2 in at least 2 weight classes now.

After saying all of that, balance is close at the moment and no the Kodiak isn't that over powered. Its barely Over Powered at all.

More than likely not much is going to happen balance wise until the "Power Draw" is in. The Kodiak will eventually get a barely noticeable nerf, if noticeable at all, because its not that OP.

Edited by Johnny Z, 13 August 2016 - 06:20 AM.

[meteorol]

S3B, on 13 August 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

^ This match is only worth 482 points with the current scoring formula. Clearly 6000 is never going to happen...

Whats your main account if i may ask?

[El Bandito]

My LRM Archer can kite most 100 tonners, except those damn Kodiaks. Makes a big difference.

[ChapeL]

The Kodiak (KDK-3, you know the one ) excels at mowing down large, slow moving targets... of which there is an overabundance right now.