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[BLOOD WOLF]

Its not obvious to some people why ED is winning the tide of change. ED's objective was to plug the loopholes allowed by the previous heat scale system. For those still going around acting as if there are not plainly demonstrable reasons why ED is better than the older system is simple. It is empirically demonstrates that builds that were able to escape penalty can not do so under the new system. It is a umbrella system that catches all, not just same type weapon groups.

You have to demonstrate this is not the case by valid evidence. Asserting that it failed or its bad tells nobody anything about the system. They have been taking data from the test servers, that is all. The test servers now are probably not in use at the moment, because the ED system as it seems has already satisfied the conditions of testing. Unless their is a weapon combination or something that it does not catch, and once again by demonstration.

I remember watching a video by somebody who ranted against the ED system and not once did they demonstrate the validity of their claims. Stop complaining that the PTS pop is not their and get a group going. Nobody goes in their without a group anymore, especially after a long period of it being out.

Demonstrate you claims when it comes to empirical knowledge that can be tested. Otherwise there is no good reason for anyone to take what you say as facts without Bias.

[Davers]

BLOODWOLF makes an ED bait thread? Well, I guess the forums have been a little quiet lately.

[Mystere]

BLOOD WOLF, on 22 October 2016 - 04:32 PM, said:

It is empirically demonstrates that builds that were able to escape penalty can not do so under the new system.

Your assertion is only valid under the assumption that certain builds do need to be punished.

Well, I refuse to acknowledge said assumption.

Edited by Mystere, 22 October 2016 - 04:38 PM.

[TLBFestus]

BLOOD WOLF, on 22 October 2016 - 04:32 PM, said:

Demonstrate you claims when it comes to empirical knowledge that can be tested. Otherwise there is no good reason for anyone to take what you say as facts without Bias.

Right back at ya. Would do you good to try following your own advice in other threads.

[MW222]

The CAKE, the HULA GIRL and ED are a lie!

Edited by MW222, 22 October 2016 - 05:39 PM.

[Navid A1]

What is ED?

you mean global ghost heat? the system that puts LRMs and ACs and Lasers in the same category?

in that case... NOPE!

[RestosIII]

'looking for anything that ED does that is beneficial to the game'



Sorry, I found nothing.

[Davers]

PGI's dilemma is they want to make heat important, like it is in 3025. Except when DHS became standard heat wasn't really an issue anymore, except for the "overgunned" mechs like the Nova. So even with the tripled fire rates and reduced cooling they still need to create additional mechanics.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Navid A1, on 22 October 2016 - 05:35 PM, said:

What is ED?

you mean global ghost heat? the system that puts LRMs and ACs and Lasers in the same category?

in that case... NOPE!

RestosIII, on 22 October 2016 - 05:40 PM, said:

'looking for anything that ED does that is beneficial to the game'



Sorry, I found nothing.

The thing about these post, is that they demonstrate the point of this thread. Assertions dont tell me anything about ED or whether it works or not. no matter how much you believe it, it is the emperical evidence that counts.

Now watch restos respond that he has me blocked.

[RestosIII]

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ED is up there with the "Lower damage for lasers if not targetting with R" levels of stupidity, and I cannot endorse it, or let it appear on the live servers without a fight. Just, no. No.

[Battlemaster56]

This topic again, well better prepare my Sith popcorn



ED seems like a nice thing upfront but really it's not addressing the real problems with the heat system.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Battlemaster56, on 22 October 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

ED seems like a nice thing upfront but really it's not addressing the real problems with the heat system.

what are the real problems? can you demonstrate why it doesn't?

Unless it's actually about the flaws in GH and the loopholes it allowed, then you are not actually addressing ED

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 22 October 2016 - 06:11 PM.

[Davers]

RestosIII, on 22 October 2016 - 05:54 PM, said:

ED is up there with the "Lower damage for lasers if not targetting with R" levels of stupidity, and I cannot endorse it, or let it appear on the live servers without a fight. Just, no. No.

You fought a good fight, but I think it's fair to say that ED will be in game, most likely soon. (And not a typical PGI soon, like a real one).

[vettie]

I am 57 yrs old and do not suffer from the effects of ED. If you do, i suggest visiting your doctor as there are several remedies for for those that do.

Wait, wrong type of ED, never mind.....

[Belacose]

Battlemaster56, on 22 October 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

Looks like Kylo Ren's having a bad hood day.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

What loopholes?
Are we not playing under a system that PGI designed?

ED was a response to two things

1) bad pilots, using bad builds with bad technique and tactics
2) the era of laser vomit meta

Potato pilots are going to get smashed no matter what.
The dominance of the peekaboo laser vomit has already shifted.

The only likely accomplishment will be more vet players saying their final good byes to MWO.

[Battlemaster56]

BLOOD WOLF, on 22 October 2016 - 06:10 PM, said:

what are the real problems? can you demonstrate why it doesn't?

Unless it's actually about the flaws in GH and the loopholes it allowed, then you are not actually addressing ED

From what I've picked up from reading in the forums it seems the main problem is that Heat scale is way too forgiving (You can go alpha 2-4 times before feeling the affects of heat kicking in)

Heatsinks, mostly DHS from what I get is just a straight upgrade increase heat capacity, other than improving heat dissipation rate, and while the IS do both it still a problem since it invalidate SHS completely.

These are the two things I can get off the top my head at the moment.

[RestosIII]

vettie, on 22 October 2016 - 06:17 PM, said:

I am 57 yrs old and do not suffer from the effects of ED. If you do, i suggest visiting your doctor as there are several remedies for for those that do.

Wait, wrong type of ED, never mind.....

[BLOOD WOLF]

Davers, on 22 October 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

You fought a good fight, but I think it's fair to say that ED will be in game, most likely soon. (And not a typical PGI soon, like a real one).

I will contend that he did not fight a good fight, rather just memed all over the place. What I meant to say, all he ever does and did was assert that ED is bad, ED, doesnt work, but never demonstrate either by himeself or getting another group to test his claims of did ED do what it was supposed to do.

The reason I made this thread is that we seem to have people that still believe ED did not empirically demonstrate that it covered the Loopholes that GH allowed.

The problem with holding this view is that ED did in fact do what it needed to do. That is a separate issue from weapon balance or anything else. So straw manning ED is obvious to any one who can spot it.

needs to be demonstrated, that is the point. Not polled, not opinions, empirical fact and evidence

[Battlemaster56]

Belacose, on 22 October 2016 - 06:18 PM, said:

Looks like Kylo Ren's having a bad hood day.

IKR but I wanted to use TR-8R but couldn't find a pic of him eating popcorn...

Atleast he still got his SICK SPINS