Alex Wolfe, on 27 July 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:
That's a pretty narrow view of FPS games. The presentation doesn't prevent the game from having an interesting narrative or promoting tactics. CoD and CoD mentality is a separate thing within the genre, and even if you say that neither your or "their" position is superior, you're being deliberately unfair or ignorant by disparaging the whole genre as such absolutes. Where did you even get such stereotypes? Is that what being a self-styled "canon-nazi" is about?
I could just as well paint RPG fans as obsessive min-maxers, who have their own advantage as foremost in their mind instead of story and actual "role-playing", picking the "righteous" choice of declining quest rewards for higher XP gains yet stealing from every housing and NPC whenever they can get away with it. But like with your generalization of FPS players and FPS games, it would do them a disservice. Incidentally, I like both FPS and RPGs (and sometimes even FPSRPGs, like Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, one of the greatest games I've ever played).
I personally find Valve FPS games, Blood, AvP series, even Halo 1 to be immersive, have great narrative, require thinking and tactics on high difficulty settings (Halo gets a lot of bad rap, but Halo 1 on legendary is impossible to power through, you're always the underdog and without tactics you won't last through the first level). Generalizations such as "most FPS games are almost entirely about the in game mechanics, whereas RPG or sim style games can often have much more strategy involved" simply show ignorance and inexperience with the genre. Even recently there came out a big game within the CoD-like "modern shooter" sub-genre that apparently puts narrative first (Spec Ops: The Line).
The presentation doesn't prevent complexity/depth, you can have a deep FPS game or a shallow one, just like you can have a deep movie/book or a shallow one. And seeking any possible advantage ("latest and greatest tech") is a facet of competitive activity, be it sports or games (regardless of the genre). MWO will be no different, whatever it will be, simply because it's competitive. I likely won't do it as I prefer to challenge myself with functional but not superior gear, but it will happen.
Sorry for the off-topic. Of course you're entitled to your own opinion, but I think you're wrong generalizing people and genre like that.
Gonna play the hurt, aggrieved minority party here? Dear god, can people not use context to fill in blanks anymore? No need to get apoplectic, I'm not taking shots at you, (unless of course, you fit into the above description. If you don't...seriously, take a deep breath.)
Yes, it is a stereotype, and stereotypes exist because of the vocal minorities in groups that give a collective group a bad name. (Ritual Satanists give Heavy Metal a bad name, cutters give Emos a bad name, pedophiles give priests a bad name, yada yada). That people get bent so easy is the true wonder to me. Yet it is those vocal constituents that fill every forum with their crap, and annoy the heck out of people. If you want to include yourself in that group, that is your choice. Or, you could go read a few topics, and see what is being referred to, like all the people whining for unlimited ammo, and other stuff (because apparently having to micromanage for ammo is JUST TOO HARD!!!)
So yes, I stand by my "narrow" view. And I am aware that Halo has a back story (though I would hesitate to call it "rich"). Yet the majority of people I run into. at the game stores, comic chops and such really know nothing about it. So you can choose to be offended, or not, that's up to you. But as long as I see topics being flooded by power-gamers. and others, I will maintain my opinion.
Edited by Bishop Steiner, 27 July 2012 - 09:13 AM.