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#61 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:02 AM

View Postbelakor502, on 27 July 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:


Looks like I am the only FPS Gamer that runs around with a revolver and rushes with a sniper :D. I also seem to like limited ammo like in Metro 2033 and sometimes use tactics.I must be a failure of an FPS Gamer :D


Well, rushing a sniper with a revolver DOES qualify under run n gun (or run and die tired). And seriously, if the PC Police need to feel but-t hurt over everything, it gets ridiculous. Stereotypes are born from the vocal minority of any group, which also tend to be the ones that go on long whining rants on other forums. If people need me to hold their hand and spell out details, well, sorry, I don't babysit!! Seriously, just click on the "Unlimited Amo" (his spelling) topic in Suggestions. It's a but-t hurt war. Just like not all emos cut themselves, not all FPS are idiots. That I have to explain that is what is kinda sad.
(people once could be expected to let context fill in the blanks.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:11 AM

View PostAlex Wolfe, on 27 July 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:


That's a pretty narrow view of FPS games. The presentation doesn't prevent the game from having an interesting narrative or promoting tactics. CoD and CoD mentality is a separate thing within the genre, and even if you say that neither your or "their" position is superior, you're being deliberately unfair or ignorant by disparaging the whole genre as such absolutes. Where did you even get such stereotypes? Is that what being a self-styled "canon-nazi" is about?

I could just as well paint RPG fans as obsessive min-maxers, who have their own advantage as foremost in their mind instead of story and actual "role-playing", picking the "righteous" choice of declining quest rewards for higher XP gains yet stealing from every housing and NPC whenever they can get away with it. But like with your generalization of FPS players and FPS games, it would do them a disservice. Incidentally, I like both FPS and RPGs (and sometimes even FPSRPGs, like Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, one of the greatest games I've ever played).

I personally find Valve FPS games, Blood, AvP series, even Halo 1 to be immersive, have great narrative, require thinking and tactics on high difficulty settings (Halo gets a lot of bad rap, but Halo 1 on legendary is impossible to power through, you're always the underdog and without tactics you won't last through the first level). Generalizations such as "most FPS games are almost entirely about the in game mechanics, whereas RPG or sim style games can often have much more strategy involved" simply show ignorance and inexperience with the genre. Even recently there came out a big game within the CoD-like "modern shooter" sub-genre that apparently puts narrative first (Spec Ops: The Line).

The presentation doesn't prevent complexity/depth, you can have a deep FPS game or a shallow one, just like you can have a deep movie/book or a shallow one. And seeking any possible advantage ("latest and greatest tech") is a facet of competitive activity, be it sports or games (regardless of the genre). MWO will be no different, whatever it will be, simply because it's competitive. I likely won't do it as I prefer to challenge myself with functional but not superior gear, but it will happen.

Sorry for the off-topic. Of course you're entitled to your own opinion, but I think you're wrong generalizing people and genre like that.


Seriously, Dude?

Gonna play the hurt, aggrieved minority party here? Dear god, can people not use context to fill in blanks anymore? No need to get apoplectic, I'm not taking shots at you, (unless of course, you fit into the above description. If you don't...seriously, take a deep breath.)

Yes, it is a stereotype, and stereotypes exist because of the vocal minorities in groups that give a collective group a bad name. (Ritual Satanists give Heavy Metal a bad name, cutters give Emos a bad name, pedophiles give priests a bad name, yada yada). That people get bent so easy is the true wonder to me. Yet it is those vocal constituents that fill every forum with their crap, and annoy the heck out of people. If you want to include yourself in that group, that is your choice. Or, you could go read a few topics, and see what is being referred to, like all the people whining for unlimited ammo, and other stuff (because apparently having to micromanage for ammo is JUST TOO HARD!!!)

So yes, I stand by my "narrow" view. And I am aware that Halo has a back story (though I would hesitate to call it "rich"). Yet the majority of people I run into. at the game stores, comic chops and such really know nothing about it. So you can choose to be offended, or not, that's up to you. But as long as I see topics being flooded by power-gamers. and others, I will maintain my opinion.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 27 July 2012 - 09:13 AM.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:13 AM

It can be any mech it wants to be so long as its a ZEUS!!!!!!!!

A Mauler is cool to but first it has to be a ZEUS!!!!!!!!

ZEUS, ZEUS, ZEUS, ZEUS, ZEUS!!!!!!!!

Edited by LordKnightFandragon, 27 July 2012 - 09:13 AM.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:28 AM

View PostLordKnightFandragon, on 27 July 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

It can be any mech it wants to be so long as its a ZEUS!!!!!!!!

A Mauler is cool to but first it has to be a ZEUS!!!!!!!!

ZEUS, ZEUS, ZEUS, ZEUS, ZEUS!!!!!!!!


so .et me see if I got this right, what you would like to see in MWO, is a......
Scout Mech? I would have expected a good lyran to want to at least pilot a nice mediuum like the Banshee-S!

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:49 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 27 July 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:


Well, rushing a sniper with a revolver DOES qualify under run n gun (or run and die tired). And seriously, if the PC Police need to feel but-t hurt over everything, it gets ridiculous. Stereotypes are born from the vocal minority of any group, which also tend to be the ones that go on long whining rants on other forums. If people need me to hold their hand and spell out details, well, sorry, I don't babysit!! Seriously, just click on the "Unlimited Amo" (his spelling) topic in Suggestions. It's a but-t hurt war. Just like not all emos cut themselves, not all FPS are idiots. That I have to explain that is what is kinda sad.
(people once could be expected to let context fill in the blanks.


I wasnt butthurt at all just having a little fun and being a bit sarcastic ;). However it seems like you were the butthurt one in the end.

Also its ME rushing with a sniper and ME using arevolver when others use P90. Not extremly effective but a Lot of fun.

Edited by belakor502, 27 July 2012 - 11:52 AM.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:01 PM

Zeus, due to probabilistic crap. Not that I wan't it... in fact, I would like to se a King Crab.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:47 PM

King Crab brings nothing to the Assault Roll. It's got two AC-20s, but the close range firepower is similiar to an Atlas, and it would be played in a similiar way, it's a Star League mech, of which none have been put into th game yet (I expect a Comstar faction release with Star League era mechs after the Clan mechs are released). This would make it a mroe fun mech also if it shows up with a few of it's Star League friends.

I think the most interesting mech to add in the Assault range would be the Cyclops, it's the ultimate Command mech, it's a flawed mech, but definately interesting.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:13 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 27 July 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

so .et me see if I got this right, what you would like to see in MWO, is a......
Scout Mech? I would have expected a good lyran to want to at least pilot a nice mediuum like the Banshee-S!



Eh? Me are no follow lol...so the Zeus sucks or something? Obviously, Lyrans consider Atlas a Scout mech and the Overlord Dropship a small river raft...but sumting wong with the Zeus? I think the Zeus looks awesome....plus its a Lyran mech anyway....

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:35 PM

MAULER

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 12:30 AM

I want a kodiak but thats not happening... so ill settle with mauler

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 06:56 AM

I would like to see a Mech from the 3050 TRO that's new, and not an update to the 3025 version. That being said, a lot of the upgraded Mechs I am perfectly fine with. Something of note is that they have shown more House specific Mech's for the most part other than the "found everywhere" style. The Atlas and Centurion are two of those, while the Commando, Jenner, and Cicada are rare outside of their respective realm. So when it comes to the next Assault Mech, I'd guess:

Banshee
Cyclops
Zeus
Victor

but I would like to see:
Katana (Crockett)
Hatamoto-Chi
Imp

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:02 AM

View PostSkyefox, on 28 July 2012 - 06:56 AM, said:

I would like to see a Mech from the 3050 TRO that's new, and not an update to the 3025 version. That being said, a lot of the upgraded Mechs I am perfectly fine with. Something of note is that they have shown more House specific Mech's for the most part other than the "found everywhere" style. The Atlas and Centurion are two of those, while the Commando, Jenner, and Cicada are rare outside of their respective realm. So when it comes to the next Assault Mech, I'd guess:

Banshee
Cyclops
Zeus
Victor

but I would like to see:
Katana (Crockett)
Hatamoto-Chi
Imp


Please Sir, do not disgrace the wonderful SLDF Crockett design with that spurious Kurita renaming. You sir must not be from the Draconis March! =P

View PostLordKnightFandragon, on 27 July 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:




Eh? Me are no follow lol...so the Zeus sucks or something? Obviously, Lyrans consider Atlas a Scout mech and the Overlord Dropship a small river raft...but sumting wong with the Zeus? I think the Zeus looks awesome....plus its a Lyran mech anyway....


*sighs*

It was a joke... Lyrans are always stereotyped as only driving the biggest mechs available... hence the "Atlas Scout Lance" (which is also something of a joke.... Generally, House Steiner scouts with our wonderful Commando design)

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:03 AM

Annihilator!
Just something I love about this one.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:08 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 28 July 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

Please Sir, do not disgrace the wonderful SLDF Crockett design with that spurious Kurita renaming. You sir must not be from the Draconis March! =P


Nah, I reserve my dislike for the CC. Kentares Massacre makes me go "shame on you", while the CC makes me puke in my cockpit.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:11 AM

View PostRedshift2k5, on 26 July 2012 - 08:34 AM, said:

The only acceptable answer is

KING CRAB


Ok, if you program the animations for that :-)

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:15 AM

View PostJoe3142, on 28 July 2012 - 07:03 AM, said:

Annihilator!
Just something I love about this one.


I like this Guy!

View PostTalono, on 28 July 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:



Ok, if you program the animations for that :-)


Amen! Can't believe I am in agreement with a Snake, but this one speaks wisdom! KC (aside form the actual payload limitations) will be almost as much a beast as a quad (which I would love, but do realize the difficulties involved).

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:19 AM

I would love to see the Goliath or King Crab, yes the animations would take some work but would be awesome to see.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:19 AM

View PostSkyefox, on 28 July 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:



Nah, I reserve my dislike for the CC. Kentares Massacre makes me go "shame on you", while the CC makes me puke in my cockpit.


Understandable. My Snake-Hate is pretty well based in the fact that Marik can't get out of their own way to actually give anyone else a decent fight. Fryguy Tommy seems to be getting them more cohesive though, so I am watching.......


But having gotten my Doctorate from NAIS, I am a pretty unabashed Davy supporter. One of the reasons I long for combined arms to be brought in is to demonstrate to all the run and gunners and "mech only" crowd the superiority of a Regimental Combat Team!

and I say....

GO ANNIHILATOR!!! (Though a Victor would be my second choice)


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:23 AM

View PostStrum Wealh, on 27 July 2012 - 05:38 AM, said:



Well, we could go the other way and look at each weight bracket within the Assault class:
80-ton 'Mechs (already represented by the Awesome)
85-ton 'Mechs (already represented by the Stalker)
90-ton 'Mechs
95-ton 'Mechs
100-ton 'Mechs (already represented by the Atlas)

So, for the 90-tonners and 95-tonners, we would look at their respective lists and filter out everything that is extinct (or functionally so - read as "ComStar-exclusive"), Clan-built (and/or "Dragoons-exclusive"), Unseen, or from the future (after 3050).

That leaves us with:

90-ton 'Mechs
Cyclops (CP-10-Z, CP-10-Q, CP-11-A, CP-11-A-DC, CP-11-C)
Daboku (prototype; no other variants)/Mauler (MAL-1R only)
Highlander (HGN-733 only; HGN-732 resumes production in 3056)

95-ton 'Mechs
Banshee (BNC-3E, BNC-3M, BNC-3MC, BNC-3Q, BNC-3S)

And, even then, that's not to say that they wouldn't go with another 80-tonner (like the Victor or the Zeus), 85-tonner, or 100-tonner (like the Devastator or the King Crab) anyway...


while I am totally with you on the reasoning (or at least wishing that it was how things were approached) I am sadly coming to believe that "Canon-availability" will be loosely interpreted. (which is OK if you want an annihilator, but does have repercussions... as if ONE is available, how do you justify not allowing others?

Also, the "represented tonnage I think means little. We have 3 50 tonners represented, after all (Centy, Hunch and Teb). All cool mechs at least, though.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:26 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 26 July 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

I'd take a King Crab too...... I love mechs I can pick apart before it ever gets close enough to use it's big guns. =) Awesome vs KC means smiling Awesome pilot!

Unless said King Crab mounts twin Gauss Rifles. Add in a LL and an LRM 15, and the Awesome might be in a little trouble.





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