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[Dragonlord]

Boydsan, on 15 August 2012 - 07:05 AM, said:

You can not pay to win in skill based games. A Light can take down an Assault (may take a while, but it is possible). Even in other MechWarrior games this is true. Likewise, having 100 'mechs versus 4 'mechs does not make you a winner. So will money make you a winner? Not really. How does money help you aim or help you win?

I have not seen any arguments that have convinced me that money will even make a difference. The only difference I have seen is people with money will get 'Mechs faster. However, with time a player who does not invest money will be able to get the Battlemechs and then all players will be equal.

You may not be able to pay to win in a skill based game, but you can certainly pay to get an advantage.

Here is a hypothetical situation.

Say that the devs decided to implement so called premium Content.
They could add mechs that had more armor, and weapons/ammo that did more damage than their regular counterparts, and then make them available only to those who paid real money.
This would mean that those with the money would be able to buy them, while those that dont have the money would no longer have an equal chance of winning.

It may not be Pay to win, but it would certainly be Pay for an advantage, which in my opinion is very close to Pay to Win.

[tyrone dunkirk]

SakuranoSenshi, on 15 August 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

We already did, he thanked us and he seemed alright, to be honest but his original post was not a good start.

I know it wasn't, but for people like that we can simply wave them on their way to an introductory sticky or the like and they can discover the game from there.
As long as there are new players here we should try to make em feel welcome... UNLESS they're complaining about their Clan tech
That's my one exception lol

Edited by tyrone dunkirk, 15 August 2012 - 07:20 AM.

[Nikijih]

SakuranoSenshi, on 15 August 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

I see what you did there. Actual quote: "I have neither the time nor inclination to deal with morons, except to avoid seeing the same rubbish endlessly repeated."

You're not only a "tool" you're a lying, bad troll. :-) Have a nice day.

Again: thanks for making my point for me. I was trying to give you the benefits of the doubts rofl, and you gladly threw that out of the window. So you are saying that you are so confused that you are incapable of coherence within a same sentence? ''I dont have the time to deal with morons, unless they are being morons'? Yeah, you got me there, what a retort, im a liar. Meanwhile you are a dumbass, so I guess i win this particularly immature flame war?

Bow out lol, got better things to do then feed the troll. (and yes, for the third time, Im attempting to give you the benefit of the doubt. If I were you, I'd take the stick im holding for you and pretend you were just trolling. The alternative is to keep looking like a brat.)

[SakuranoSenshi]

Rhistar, on 15 August 2012 - 07:16 AM, said:

Wow SakuranoSenshi. Not sure if you knew this, but you are a complete ***.

Whereas someone who comes in to flame someone for supposedly flaming someone else is utterly beyond reproach and a wonderful human being, right? Oh, wait no... by your own standard, you're a complete *** too. Happy to help you with your critical thinking.

[JFlash49]

another Pay2 play thread...somehow i think people dont understand what CLOSED beta means. The game hasnt been released yet and its still being tested. if you wanna test it and offer input along with helping the devs pay their bills and getting bonuses, you get a founders package. if you cant afford it at the moment (like me), you simply sit down check the forum daily, talk about mechs, art designs, run through the recruiting page a several times trying to find your ideal group and wait until it is released.

[Nikijih]

SakuranoSenshi, on 15 August 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

Nope, I called you on your dishonest attempt to try and make yourself look clever and 'right'. Your new wall of text doesn't make you look any better, take your own advice and 'bow out' because you're not going to get any kudos, not least because you either cannot read properly, don't understand fairly simple English or you're just trolling. I already polarized everyone who is reading, so, whatever (and honestly, I don't care that much what people on a forum think, as a rule but I do indeed have some time to kill this morning).

Em...

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I have neither the time nor inclination to deal with morons

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but I do indeed have some time to kill this morning

Hahahahahaha you are making this sooooo easy for me. Trust me, I don't have to try anything to look clever, next to you I look like freaking Hawking hahahahah

[Drewsie]

I love reading the bickering of two people who refuse to accept defeat. How long ago was the thread awnsered? LOL


Bravo to both of you!

Edited by Drewsie, 15 August 2012 - 07:45 AM.

[Otto Cannon]

Nikijih, on 15 August 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

Except that we are all in agreement here, except you. Desperate to be a precious little snowflake? Good luck to you kid, with that kind of attitude, you will need it to grow passed 18 years old. Cya.

[RG Notch]

tyrone dunkirk, on 15 August 2012 - 07:15 AM, said:

You strike me as a bit of an *** hat. If you cut the hateful crap, there's a much better chance this won't get locked, and any other questions the new guy has, we can answer or direct him to a post.

Who cares, let him search like a non lazy non dumbass would do. Why do you want to be his answer bot? Are you going to follow him around and hold his had all the time, if not now would be a good time for him to learn how to work a forum.

[Drewsie]

Oh plain and simple its funny, funny stuff

[SakuranoSenshi]

I'm sorry, I am a bad person. It's true. Now, moving on...

Umm. I am going back to rolling in my Atlas with 4 PPCs :-)

[Drewsie]

I'm gonna go play my tier one tank in WoT and slay some noobs lol.

Can't wait to get a founders pack friday and start playing MW:O!

[Stickjock]

Drewsie, on 15 August 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

I'm gonna go play my tier one tank in WoT and slay some noobs lol.

Can't wait to get a founders pack friday and start playing MW:O!

That bit there... that's what everyone mis-understands... granted, you DO get to PLAY... but... it's Closed BETA... you're getting the opportunity to TEST the game, find bugs, report them and get them fixed... and have fun while you're at it, but still... you're still testing the game...

[SakuranoSenshi]

Stickjock, on 15 August 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

That bit there... that's what everyone mis-understands... granted, you DO get to PLAY... but... it's Closed BETA... you're getting the opportunity to TEST the game, find bugs, report them and get them fixed... and have fun while you're at it, but still... you're still testing the game...

QFT

[Dragonlord]

Anyone got some popcorn here?
This is better than watching comedy shows on TV.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Find the information yourself. It's all there.

[Drewsie]

Stickjock, on 15 August 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

That bit there... that's what everyone mis-understands... granted, you DO get to PLAY... but... it's Closed BETA... you're getting the opportunity to TEST the game, find bugs, report them and get them fixed... and have fun while you're at it, but still... you're still testing the game...

I'm very aware of that fact...I can still look forward to PLAYING the game and having fun. It's no wonder people give each other a hard time, you people practically scream "Hey lets start a argument".

Edited by Drewsie, 15 August 2012 - 08:39 AM.

[SakuranoSenshi]

I think he was more making an observation that so many of these threads about the game being broken or 'pay to win' and so on come about because people have ignored or forgotten that this is a closed beta and what we currently use is a pretty limited portion of the intended final game.

[Belorion]

There is something to be said for creating an inviting atmosphere for would be players. After all we want this game to be a success do we not?

[Drewsie]

If that's the case I apologize in advance for being rude. I understand some people thing bying the package just "gets them the game to play" then they find it to be buggy and missing some stuff....I get its a BETA and this wont be the first or last BETA I've pre bought into; I currently am playing NS2 Beta.

Can't a guy just be excited to be getting a founders pack to play the game?!