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[Anchoman]

Good night good people, users and developers.
First of all I want to give my most sincere apologies if I'm posting this in the wrong place, and if they were so kind to tell me where I'll do move away.
I write for this medium to communicate a little upset that I caused a small detail of the forum ...
By setting data in my profile, more precisely the time zone (GMT -3), I find the denomination of the same "Brazil / Buenos Aires / Falkland Is."
Perhaps is a careless typing, or maybe habit, but this is not entirely correct. The so-called "Falklands" is actually (if they are to call in English) "The Malvinas Islands" or as we call them Spanish speakers, Islas Malvinas.
I don't intend to confront in anyway with those that named the southern island group, but is recognized the worldwide condemnation of the occupation of Argentinian territory by the state of England. And such nomenclature (Falklands) sounds offensive, especially to the inhabitants of one of the many countries that have suffered the pressures, abuses, invasions and other negative adjectives that do not need to list, by the infamous Empire. (And write Empire, I do not include citizens or residents).
That is why, as an Argentine, I would like to interpose a formal request to change the present form in regard to the Malvinas, as time zone configured in the forum profile.

Greetings.

Diego Barrientos.

Edited by Anchoman, 17 August 2012 - 06:39 PM.

[William Knight]

The Falklanders would dissagree, as would the British.

You may wish to move this to the off topic section.

Edited by William Knight, 17 August 2012 - 09:28 PM.

[Anchoman]

Mr William... The whole rest of the world would agree...

Edited by Anchoman, 18 August 2012 - 05:31 AM.

[William Knight]

The entire British commonwealth knows them as the Falklands, The rest of the Globe knows them as Falklands, only the old Spanish and French colonies know them as "The Malvinas Islands".
Since the Falklands are a British protectorate then the islands should be know as the Falklands, or at least as the Falklands/Malvinas.



If we want to be finicky then we should all call them the the Sebald Islands as it was one
Sebald de Weert a Dutch explorer that first discovered them in the early 17^th centaury , then the British in the late 17^th centaury, Then the French in the mid 18^th centaury. The spanish claim to the islands come from the fact that the French gave them their little fort that was on the East island, but the British had a fort on the west island. after that it gets complicated.

But I think we can all agree the Islands name is the Sebald Islands!

[Nitsua Asuka]

The Falklands takes its name from the channel between the two islands using the English name for it and it's under England's rule and the name has stuck and will stay as the Falklands for the rest of the worlds life.

[Bizarre Jay]

No politics on the forums plz

[Anchoman]

Im not asking for a debate. Despite the info that Sir William and Mrs Asuka are giving is totally wrong. But as Will said, maybe a little correction and recall (for the forum time GTM) Malvinas/Falkland as should be pretty enough

[Kuroshin]

A little history lesson:
The word "Malvinas" is a derivation of the name "Malouines" given by the French navigator Louis Antoine de Bougainville in 1764 in memory of the port of Saint-Malo in France.
The islands were uninhabited when they were discovered by European explorers, but there are indications that Patagonian indigenous people may have come to the Malvines in canoes, as archaeological finding arrowheads and the remains of a canoe.
There's no evidence fully tested on who and when discovered the islands, but various hypotheses that attribute the discovery of the islands or visit to Stephen Gomez (1520), Simon de Alcazaba Sotomayor and Alonso de Camargo (before 1540), John Davis (1592) and Richard Hawkins (1594). In 1600 a Dutch sailor, Sebald de Weert, visited the islands reliably. That is why the Dutch maps of the time showed the name of Sebald Islands.

The name 'Malvinas', in traditional Spanish, is the name used in official documentation of all Spanish speaking countries and Portuguese (Ilhas Malvinas). It is also the name used in the joint declaration of Presidents of the members of Mercosur, Bolivia and Chile in 1996, the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR), the one used by the Latin American Integration Association (ALADI) in its statement on the issue (2008), and that used in the Latin American Summit of 2007. For the Organization of American States (OAS) the name used officially in Spanish is "Islas Malvinas" and English "Malvinas Islands". At the United Nations, from 18 March 1966 used the name in Spanish is "Malvinas Islands (Falklands)" and English "Falkland Islands (Malvinas)".

I think it can be solved by simply erase the islands reference in the time zone configuration. It would be respectful to all the postures in this particular issue.

Edited by Kuroshin, 18 August 2012 - 03:37 PM.

[Insidious Johnson]

Check, invade Argentina next time they even think about rattling French made Exocet missiles @ the FALKLANDS islands. If you want to be offended, blame your sorry leaders who channeled your soldiers into the abattoir. YOU LOST... but please, please, please... try it again. Possession is 9/10ths of the law, even international law. Since my brother visited there, but never settled, I claim all of Argentina as property belonging to my family. Just as valid as the OP's argument. And good luck with your request OP, the game is developed in Canada, part of the Commonwealth. Lulz. But, your distaste for the British is well understood. My family is Scotch/Irish and ended up finally freeing themselves from England's tyrrany in America. We do share one common thought: screw the English government and in that, I applaud you sir. Further, if you dont' want politics on the forum, don't open the door politely for it.

[Anchoman]

Is there any of the 1500 actual falkers playing here actually?

[Insidious Johnson]

That dog won't hunt either. The world runs on Greenwich Mean Time. The nomenclature of the zones was set some time ago. Want to know by whom? Find out where Greenwich is then.

[Anchoman]

:Fry: I dont know if you are trying to troll me or just being a dutch... What does it has to do with my first asking? Get a book and look for Ecuator :S. Is the first time I see the time config called like that. Its always "GTM -3 Buenos Aires - Georgetown", or sometimes just BA.

[Insidious Johnson]

You are basically asking for something that is an internationally accepted standard, complete with naming conventions to make a political exception in your case. That is like asking the U.N. to switch the names of Greenland and Iceland to fit the actual climates instead of using the names given to them by Vikings trying to encourage or discourage further settlement. Mostly, I'm against a developer spending a fraction of a second on this while the game is still not yet released so that it might live up to its potential. That doesn't seem to be one of your concerns and is the fastest way to draw ire down upon yourself. How do the dutch figure into this? Good luck to you.

[Anchoman]

Mr Kuroshin talked something about hmmm.. what was it?? oh yes!! Some International conventions, just like that odd thing you are telling me..
No need to be sooooo sarcastic I just didnt know that the forum config and the game were actually conected (in fact not sure yet). Maybe you could have enlighted me by telling : "oh no man you are so wrong! the game is developed by some Canadian guys and you asking will be useless!". So I asume you are a little bored and just trolling around

[Insidious Johnson]

This is a problem for after the game achieves minimum viable product status. If this is a priority for you, then it means more to you than a good mechwarrior game. They'll have to pull someone off coding to grant your request. Further, if they grant your request... what about the Palenstinians? What about Kurds living in Iraq? What about Tadjikistan? What about post Russian invasion Georgians? The debates were settled with the last bullets fired. It simply is what it is. Now is not the time again to lock and load, but to debug and code. If there were no time zone in the game coded in for your location, I can see a need for a post on it. But the NAME of it? Call it what you will in your own heart and no one can ever change it. Complain about it and paint a bullseye on your back. Can't even see that I'm trying to do you a favor ( after trying to get the message across with a few gleeful warning shots of my own, guilty as charged ).

[Anchoman]

Pretty words captain big boy. I can spect a better game when its not a BETA. I never compalined, I just asked. DONT put words on my fingers. You said recoding?? make me laught hahaha really man stop it roflmao! Changin (or deleting) a word is not coding back or debuging. By the way, that thing of doing me a favour by "warning shots" keep it to yourself dont play the good cowboy and be the russian sniper. Seems you are a big worded- small balls intent of man by doing that. And i have my own pride about the Malvinas, if kurds, georgians, Gaza inhabitants want to say something about their stuff and have a point concerned with the game, I wouldnt ridicule em...

Sorry the bad english.

[Argann]

Yeah, and Ireland for the Catholics!

[Insidious Johnson]

Perhaps it might be as simple as there is no SPANISH or any other language support in the game at this time, since the beta is primarily for North America, even though they don't restrict against players from other countries. Never paused to consider the painfully obvious? Now might be a good time. Regardless of the (laughable) claims of sovreignty, the Spanish name is Malvanos. The word you might get, once MWO is localized by where you play. The actual island though, has proven difficult, no? Thank you for helping me troll yourself.

[Anchoman]

Are you still trying to refute something? That last post of you is pretty senseless and just make my point of being a dutch.
greetings and thanks for keeping me a little entretained really no have nothing better tio do atm.

[Thorn Hallis]

Are you offended by the use of the word "Falklands"?