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[Elan Heng]

Renan Ruivo, on 10 June 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

I don't get why people get so upset, and all this "honor combat" stuff.

If the 'mechs had nuts, i'd shoot them. Other than that, the legs are the next best thing.


If someone is trying to kill me, and shooting him in the nut is the easiest and most efficient way of making sure that he STOPS trying to kill me, then i'll shoot the god damned nut!

Renan, please go to the House Jurai site - I think you will fit in well! Tell them I sent you ...

[Wiley Coyote]

Leg, arm, head, torso - they are all viable targets.

[Drenaline]

I like my legs crispy with a touch of ranch.

All is fair in love and war gents.

[Twisted Power]

I will leg, especially in scout mechs and to other scout mechs.

I am going to bet people are going to throw heatsinks and nice stuff in the legs and I will be sure to target them effectivly. However I will know where their equiptment is if I'm scouting. If they have nothing in th legs I might just target arms or w/e is important.

[Terror Teddy]

I cant for the life of me understand the grief about 'legging'. Lets list ALL of what would be 'similar' tactics?
-Legging
-Sniping
-Indirect Fire
-Ganging up on an enemy
-Headshot Snipe with Gauss at 1000 meters
-Shoot em in the back
-Disarming (shooting off an arm with weapons)

Perhaps even build upon it a little just to see how much we can draw the line (getting sillier that is)

-Attacking a lighter mech
-Using ingame equipment to defeat your foe (ECM / Radr drones, Spoofing etc)
-Being too fast...
-Making a one-trick-pony (laser/missile/ac boat)
-Using a good joystick
-Communicating with teammates
-Using teamspeak or vent

See where im getting with this?

STOP WHINING ABOUT LEGGING - I WILL LEG YOU AND ALL OF THE ABOVE!

Sorry about that...I think im overreacting...

Edited by Terror Teddy, 14 July 2012 - 08:27 AM.

[Rushyo]

Terror Teddy, on 14 July 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

I cant for the life of me understand the grief about 'legging'.

Then you never played MW3 Whilst the rational parts of people's brain tells them that legging won't be like that in MWO, some MW3 veterans appear to have acquired an irrational fear that legging represents a broken mechanic.

[Lunchmeat]

I had no issue with legging in MW4, mainly because it was more efficient to core a mech then it was to leg. That being said, if shots went astray and I legged, or if I targeted an enemy with leg damage, I'd shoot out his legs in a heartbeat. Perfectly viable tactic as far as I'm concerned.

[Beaker]

Is this thread STILL going?!

Legs are part of a mech, so if they get shot so what?

[Belorion]

Moar tasty legging...

[Ownyu]

I played MW2, MW3, and MW4, and I was a legging ******* in those games (C1 FTW). Whatever will kill my opponent the fastest is the best thing for me to do is my thinking. But I think MW2 style is more realistic though. Don't worry guys, this game is being brought back by a BattleTech fan, how bad can it be? I'm just totally stoked that I get to be a mechwarrior again

[Xandre Blackheart]

Yes legs are vulnerable to legging. FFS.

Some threads apparently however you have to SHOOT IN THE HEAD,

DIE! BANG! DIE! BANG! BANG!.

[Duke William]

I would enjoy legging to be possible. I mean, it just makes sense you know...
In my ideal game, damaging a leg would reduce movement speed. If you destroy the leg, the mech should topple to the ground, but not blow up. Instead, you'd have to give it a kill shot.

Edited by Duke William, 14 July 2012 - 11:32 AM.

[Rushyo]

[Droknar]

I think the big issue with legging comes from MW3. In MW3 if someone sneezed at your leg, with full armor on it, you were now limping. Once a leg was gone you were dead. Easily gimped, easily destroyed. MW4 mercs had the 1 hit protection, that helped greatly, but at least if a leg was destroyed you werent dead. A problem with MW3/4 was that there was so much damage happening with each shot that usually a fight was 2 shots and one would die. From what I've seen from MWO (just dev videos), damage is alot lower, combat lasts longer, therefore legs should last longer to. What it comes to when the game is released, will it be worth legging someone, or better to try and destroy equipment above?

[Frater Interitum]

I promise:
I have not legged anybody till i got legged first time....

After this no one can expect longer grace.
I do not loose any glory, thank this first one......

Its only a thing of time.
I know that people are not able to resist a temptation.

[Ziffers]

Droknar, on 14 July 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

I think the big issue with legging comes from MW3. In MW3 if someone sneezed at your leg, with full armor on it, you were now limping. Once a leg was gone you were dead. Easily gimped, easily destroyed.

Exactly. I don't think the real issue is Legging. The issue is can I be 1 shot/knocked out in 1 volley/head shot/instead dead with ease? In MW3 legging was just too easy and it was frustrating being knocked out of a fight so quick, there was no enjoyment. I played a lot of MM:LL, and would I leg a mech? Absolutely. Does that mean it's all I did? No way. I look to see what is damaged the most and how I can end a fight quickly. If I target a mech and notice its leg is almost gone, you better believe if the range, terrain, and movements of our mechs make that a decent shot, I am absolutely going to take it 100% of the time. This goes for any mech part. If I come around a corner and I happen to be looking at your rear torso, and it's already damaged, guess what? I look for clean, efficent kills. I am not going to waste ammo or heat pounding on fully armored parts of your mech in the name of 'honor'.

However, if 1 shot to the leg ended a fight everytime it would quickly become annoying and game breaking, and thats what happened in MW3 and why it's still shunned. If legs had some more armor and it wasn't so easy to shoot them off, or maybe if a mech only fell when both legs were damaged, it wouldnt be shunned at all.

[creativist]

In warfare, disabling an enemy vehicle is a desirable practice because it puts you and your team in a position to destroy them. If we're going yo base game play on "honorable targeting," then I guess we should rule out hitting someone's rear torso as well because it is like shooting them in the back?

An slow or immobilized 'mech can still hit back and kill you. If blowing off a leg detroyed the 'mech, that would be a flaw in the game design.

[Ice Cream]

I prefer to leave the discussion of "honor" out of it; different cultures have had very different definitions of what honor in combat means over the years. If a target is available and provides some tactical advantage during a fight, some decent fraction of the people are going to shoot it. The question then remains of how legging can be made not to be a game breaker. Some options include:

* Use cover better to minimize number of opportunities people have to shoot your legs.
* Armor up the legs if you have the option; if you choose to have tin foil legs, you only have yourself to blame when they're shot out from under you.
* Devs can change how damage is done to the legs; if the legs suddenly suffer no damage that gives an advantage to the attacker, people will stop shooting there.

[Veevslav]

Legging works.... Leave it alone and let it happen.... As to honor or anger at it, lrn2 use cover for your legs......
Not that hard... Get better at protecting valuable assets....

I always enjoyed taking on a KV5 in WOT unless it had a good tanker that knew how to protect the RTD2. Most of them just hung it out there with little to no thought......
Same thing with the LOWE, lower glacius on most tanks is a soft spot and good tankers defend them... Bad tankers complained because it was not heavily armored enough.....

[Bluten]

Learn to put some armor on your legs. You can't neglect them thinking no one is going to shoot them then complain when they do.

I should add that Living Legends isn't a "title", it's a mod based off of Crysis Warhead. Viewing it as its own game is as stupid as the people that talked about Dota as if it were its own game. They're mods and very limited in features when compared to real games. I don't have Living Legends either though and don't want to drop 20$ for Crysis Warhead just to play a mod. As soon as August comes and MWO and GW 2 hits I'll never touch it again so why bother? I'm not that desperate for entertainment and I might get early beta access on MWO anyway. They're still sending out keys, you never know.