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[Liam]

Kaemon, on 04 February 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

I was offering Null sig as the closest thing in game we'll have, and you are invisible...to radar

+1

[Strum Wealh]

Paul Inouye, on 04 February 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

We have heard the cries of the many. Cloaking will be a Tier 1 Assault/Defense module! You can thank me later.

But, will the CLPS be in at launch (we'll have to beat-down MAC and salvage it from the wrecks of their Spectors...?), or will we have to wait until the timeline has advanced to the point where Mim-Armor and/or VSS are developed/deployed?

[benwarrior]

if the game is aiming to be as much like the earlier games then why not keep the 'radar off' function your radar was restricted to 250m could only detect/ be detected within that range. all mechs could do it. and ecm/beagle was primarily only for light mechs.

[Mchawkeye]

benwarrior, on 04 February 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

if the game is aiming to be as much like the earlier games then why not keep the 'radar off' function your radar was restricted to 250m could only detect/ be detected within that range. all mechs could do it. and ecm/beagle was primarily only for light mechs.

uh they will be keeping passive sensors; suggest you read though FAQ and dev blogs....

[MeDammit]

If the Tech is there for mobile fusion reactors in high impact combat situations, Neuro-feedback to electro-musclature components, and vibro blades and mono blades, the tech is there for cloaking. But c'mon. where does playability go? In that respect, Shouldn't all lasers do 3 points of damage? 1 to front armor, 1 to internal, 1 to rear armor? Where does realism override fun and playability?

[Mchawkeye]

MeDammit, on 04 February 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

If the Tech is there for mobile fusion reactors in high impact combat situations, Neuro-feedback to electro-musclature components, and vibro blades and mono blades, the tech is there for cloaking. But c'mon. where does playability go? In that respect, Shouldn't all lasers do 3 points of damage? 1 to front armor, 1 to internal, 1 to rear armor? Where does realism override fun and playability?

ok. no cloaking as it is in no way a part of the BT universe; and I am one of the more flexible members of this here online crew regarding canon.

and explain your theory on lasers???

[Strum Wealh]

Mchawkeye, on 04 February 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

...no cloaking as it is in no way a part of the BT universe...

Except that part of the statement from the quoted post is false.

The BT universe has not one but three visual stealth ("cloaking") systems:
Chameleon Light Polarization Shield
Mimetic Armor
Void Signature System

Raptor II with Void Signature System


Granted, CLPSs are not commonplace (found on the Star League era Spectors fielded by McCarron's Armored Calvary and a few examples owned by ComStar) and both Mim-Armor and VSS haven't been invented yet (3061 and 3070, respectively) at this point in the timeline... but they are still part of the BT universe.

We've had the rudiments for the technology for over a decade (see the PopSci reference earlier in the thread, as well as the article on "smart glass" for one application of such "electrochromic" technology).

That being said...while such devices are part of the BT universe, I would agree that players of MWO generally shouldn't have access to them (unless one can somehow get their hands on an old Spector with a CLPS or the game lasts long enough to get/take Mim-Armor equipped BA or a VSS equipped 'Mech from the WoB).

[Mchawkeye]

Strum Wealh, on 04 February 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Except that part of the statement from the quoted post is false.

The BT universe has not one but three visual stealth ("cloaking") systems:
Chameleon Light Polarization Shield
Mimetic Armor
Void Signature System

Raptor II with Void Signature System


Granted, CLPSs are not commonplace (found on the Star League era Spectors fielded by McCarron's Armored Calvary and a few examples owned by ComStar) and both Mim-Armor and VSS haven't been invented yet (3061 and 3070, respectively) at this point in the timeline... but they are still part of the BT universe.

We've had the rudiments for the technology for over a decade (see the PopSci reference earlier in the thread, as well as the article on "smart glass" for one application of such "electrochromic" technology).

That being said...while such devices are part of the BT universe, I would agree that players of MWO generally shouldn't have access to them (unless one can somehow get their hands on an old Spector with a CLPS or the game lasts long enough to get/take Mim-Armor equipped BA or a VSS equipped 'Mech from the WoB).

Interesting...I was not aware of them, uh, evidently.

Still a terrible idea in a computer game like this, though. Talk about a balance breaker...

[Harrow]

The idea of a CLPS in this game doesn't seem like such a big deal as long as there are certain conditions such as ' usage of communications, weapons, or jump jets' pop you out of your stealth.

[KINGTIGER]

But come on its the year 3050 i mean they have warp technology guyz fuison reactors for crap sackes so there should be cloak but not overpowered most commenly found on light to meduim mechs

[KINGTIGER]

TheRulesLawyer, on 04 February 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

You only have have the cloak if you get the laser sword to go with it.

Youre on the right track my friend

[Sirisian]

This would be fun mechanic for mechs. I think it should be a momentary activated cloak. For gameplay reasons it could cause heat buildup since the mech is trying to be completely invisible. Would be cool if the game made footprints for the mechs as it moves so astute players could see for instance a puff of dirt if a light mech is moving quickly towards them. This would force players to move slowly kind of like a rogue class in many RPG games. That would definitely be a different strategy for Mechwarrior.

[Mchawkeye]

KINGTIGER, on 04 February 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

But come on its the year 3050 i mean they have warp technology guyz fuison reactors for crap sackes so there should be cloak but not overpowered most commenly found on light to meduim mechs

Your logic doesn't follow. they have engines so they should have cloaks?

No.

It's still a bit to gimmicky for my tastes.

[Undead]

Liam, on 04 February 2012 - 08:03 AM, said:

I don't know from which universe you come, but in one BT book there was indeed an IR/ECM/Stealth sneak personal suit.

I'm aware of that, and I underlined the important part. Also aware of the Chameleon Light Polarization Shield, which was basically abandoned once the Clans formed as it was considered dishonorable. we didn't start to see this tech again until Comstar brought it back around the jihad.

Anyway, my post was a generalization about KINGTIGER's ridiculous requests in general. Look at some of his other posts. He wants to make mechs invisible, use nukes, and have EPIC!!11!111ONE!! weapons. It's hard to tell if he's serious or just trolling (I'm weighing in favor of the latter), but If the devs listen to guys like him this game will definitely be epic... Epic FAIL.

Edited by Undead, 04 February 2012 - 02:17 PM.

[Geist Null]

im pretty sure this falls under the catagory of "TT that doesnt translate well to VG"

[Liam]

Undead, on 04 February 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

Look at some of his other posts. He wants to make mechs invisible, use nukes, and have EPIC!!11!111ONE!! weapons. It's hard to tell if he's serious or just trolling (I'm weighing in favor of the latter), but If the devs listen to guys like him this game will definitely be epic... Epic FAIL.

An ex ambush rogue ^^

[Blaze32]

it is possible just lost tech, ever heard of the Chameleon LPS
then from this the Void Signature System which was what he said it was a cloaking device that made you invisible and no heat showing it did need a ECM suite though...

RAVEN USING IT

it comes out in 3070 and cost around two million C-Bills and was very rare.

Edited by Blaze32, 08 June 2012 - 08:01 PM.

[Strisk]

noting that this discussion took place mainly in Feb. I would like to add that after reading over all of the Dev Blogs there is mention of a "module" that would allow you to appear shut down for 5 seconds....that's sort of stealthy, right?

[Roland]

While I had the same knee-jerk reaction of "GOD NO" to the original idea, reading up on the actual battletech things suggest that such a thing actually could be workable.

If it holds true to the canon, you'd have something that caused major inaccuracy for the unit using it, while making him appear kind of transparent... once he starts moving, he'd become more visible.

Normally, just that would make me say, "eh... nah."

But given that it generates a lot of heat while active? Since the devs already mentioned having thermal vision mode, it seems like there would be a clear counter to this. When using it, you'd be almost invisible to the naked eye... the downside, in addition to all the other penalities, would be that you would actually GLOW to anyone using thermal optics.

With that in mind, it actually could be balanced pretty well, and would be interesting.You'd never really know whether or not the enemy could see you or ot.

[Aethon]

Blaze32, on 08 June 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

it is possible just lost tech, ever heard of the Chameleon LPS
then from this the Void Signature System which was what he said it was a cloaking device that made you invisible and no heat showing it did need a ECM suite though...

RAVEN USING IT

it comes out in 3070 and cost around two million C-Bills and was very rare.

That isn't a Raven...