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[ManDaisy]

Q: Whats the best way to prevent griefing?
A: Suck the fun out of it and make it boring.

How To do it:

A short single player story must be completed in order for new characters to interact in the multiplayer games modes. This also serves as a tutorial, and as a way to justify the innitial mech and c-bills allocated to new players. Each tutorial is NOT skippable. All must be played in order to join the full game.

!!! Anything that has not completed the tutorial should not even be allowed to talk or send any message of anykind to anyone.

Reasons why it is not skippable:
1) Multiple characters will take time and effort to generate.
2) The Tediousness of completing the same mission over and over again just so you can make a new character to grief will by far out weigh the thrill of griefing for 1 or two games before you are banned and have to create another character.
3) Mission varying objectives and detailed combat, will not be able to be done by a bot. Thus the complicated-ness of steering, avoiding, shooting, and completing objectives will act as a natural filter for simple bot programs that spam .
4) "MOST IMPORTANT" Final mission: Throw new character created into live multiplayer combat. Anyone who does not pass has to repeat until they do. Bots are dumb. Anything that just stands there and sends messages all day will be a sitting duck. Anything that shoots its target but fails to complete its secondary objectives will still fail the mission. In this way spam/ bots are isolated to just the character creation servers, thus they never seriously affect the larger game.






End idea, Time is money. If too much time is required to do something, its not worth the money.

Edited by ManDaisy, 23 February 2012 - 04:24 PM.

[metro]

oh dear Lord!

Save us now!

[Redburn]

Gets popcorn......
Grabs chair.....
Gets comfortable......

"Somebody give this individual a copy of MW and let him go play single-player and stop griefing us........"

[Hanyit Greyhame]

So, each time I create a new character (assuming multiple pilots?) I have to go through some silly anti-greifing tutorial? Remember, we dont want people to go away from the game because the tutorial is incredibly booring. Also, not everyone will be good at first, so there is a high probability of them loving their first multiplayer match.

Regards,

Hanyit Greyhame

[Bluey]

Hanyit Greyhame, on 23 February 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

Regards,

Hanyit Greyhame

Seriously man why you always putting that at the end of all your replies,
Are you president of United States of America or something ?

Your Ego so big ,Ben Kenobi said "thats no moon its your ego"

Edited by Metro, 25 February 2012 - 04:03 PM.
no disguising objectionable cursing

[Hanyit Greyhame]

Bluey, on 23 February 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

Seriously man why you always putting that at the end of all your replies,
Are you president of United States of America or something ?

Your Ego so big ,Ben Kenobi said "thats no moon its your ego"

Or maybe, I am saying: With regards, take my opinion as you will, respectfully, Hanyit Greyhame. Its a matter of politeness and respect for my fellow community members. I am happy to share my opinion and answer questions, but am sad to see that politeness is viewed in such poor light in today's world.

Regards,

Hanyit Greyhame

Edited by Metro, 25 February 2012 - 04:02 PM.
no disguising objectionable cursing.

[Technoviking]

Don't worry Hanyit all is not yet lost.

[Hanyit Greyhame]

Glad to hear that. Some people take offense at the strangest things.......

[Bluey]

Hanyit Greyhame, on 23 February 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

Glad to hear that. Some people take offense at the strangest things.......

So it counts as politeness for you.Interesting point of view much different than what do we learnt at academy.
Regards which we had been told was to state in an official document.

Academy told us the polite way within a community is . Kind regards, warm regards or yours sincerly
We had been told never to you use "Regards" alone aside from documentry or important meetings

Edited by Bluey, 23 February 2012 - 06:34 PM.

[Hanyit Greyhame]

Bluey, on 23 February 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

So it counts as politeness for you.Interesting point of view much different than what do we learnt at academy.
Regards which we had been told was to state in an official document.

Academy told us the polite way within a community is . Kind regards, warm regards or yours sincerly
We had been told never to you use "Regards" alone aside from documentry or important meetings

What academy is this? And as far as I can tell, any form of polite closing is better than no closing at all. But I have a feeling that if we continue this debate for much longer, I am going to get myself in trouble, so this is the last I'm saying. My intent is to be polite, saying that I hold the rest of the community in the Highest regard as I am posting, and I hope that people will take my posts as such.

Regards,

Hanyit Greyhame

[Technoviking]

Hanyit,

You are a quality human being doing your best. Having gone through some of Bluey's recent posts, it looks like he's on a bit of an angry bender, and does not represent the community. Please continue to raise both the quality and content of our forums with your well written posts.

Yours in Mech,

TechnoViking

[ManDaisy]

While I commemorate both you efforts for civilised conversation and friendly banter, please keep your replys thread related.


Speed Bless Your Scouts,

ManDaisy

[Vernius Ix]

Just...NO! Daisy...dude...just...but...dude...I give up

Edited by Vernius Ix, 23 February 2012 - 07:57 PM.

[CoffiNail]

You know what, THIS would mean them wasting resources on AI for a 'PVE' which they have stated is not going to be in at launch, it is a MP game, and at launch it will only be MP no SP.

Maybe a detailed char generation for your avatar... but normal this can be side tracked by hitting random and name and done

[FinnMcKool]

Back to the topic; I think this is a very good idea.

anybody else have any better?

[Mason Grimm]

Play nice kids otherwise I will delete posts (and I will explain why they were deleted).

[DarkTreader]

This is actually a decent idea... and really, the AI coding wouldn't take much at all - basic pathing, target detection, firing, basic evade brain... simple enough that the most basic player could get a grasp of the gameplay mechanics (movement, firing, etc...), and just complicated enough that if someone were to try and program a bot to push through it... well, they'd spend more time coding the bot than they would making anything out of it. From what I've done playing with the Cry3 engine, it really wouldn't take much time at all to put something together. If they limited the estimated completion time to, say, 15 minutes or so... that wouldn't push anyone away from the game. Really, who in here has picked up a game that had a 15 minute tutorial and thrown it out because it was 'boring'?

I'm the first one to agree though thaty they should focus on the actual GAME... but anything to keep the C-Bill farmers and spambots out of my Inner Sphere will make me happy. Sadly, CaptCHA just ain't cutting it anymore.

Then again, who knows? If they do decide to open it up in the future to community-driven content, maybe a bunch of us could get together and make a SP tutorial level for them... graduation exam at the Nagelring or something of that sort

[Nik Van Rhijn]

We do need a "hands on" tutorial of some kind, especially for thos new to MW. I heard somewhere that there will be "training videos" but there is no substitute for actually piloting a mech. Even if it's not in at the start of Beta I think they will find that it's needed before full launch. Otherwise they could find people quitting because they get killed everytime in MP beore they learn how to pilot their mech. Or am I underestimating the average (non MW) gamer?

[Kaemon]

This is the definition of grind.

No grind, please.

[CapperDeluxe]

If a real person is too bored in the first 30 to 60 minutes of a game, they're very likely to not continue playing it. This is especially true of a game with zero entry cost because there's not as much reason to continue on from initial investment. Considering the point of a free to play game is to entice people to eventually pay for something this would likely not be the best way to go.