106 replies to this topic

[Jaybird]

I cannot tell the difference as Red and Green becomes closer in shades. It just so happens that at my last job, being able to distinguish the two was of absolute importance. I figured out ways around it by looking for other associated clues, and in a period of 3 years, I ended up becoming one of the best in the country at what I did. Thank you for this level of customer service and design!

[Project Dark Fox]

In terms of the laser beams, you can do what the last two MechWarrior games did. While all of the IS lasers were red in MW4, you could tell what size the laser was by how big the beam itself was. A big ****-off beam definitely meant you were getting smattered by large lasers.

Note: I am not color-blind, but I have a few friends who are and I am appreciative of the steps you're taking!
EDIT: italics.

Edited by Project Dark Fox, 24 February 2012 - 11:40 AM.

[SI The Joker]

18Rabbit, on 24 February 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

As a suggestion, can you just give us an option to set our own colors for beam weapons? It would only affect my display and not what anyone else sees. I would love to have one color setting for each style of beam weapon that I could pick so that I can tell instantly what I'm up against on the field.

Great idea for complete versatility.

[TheRulesLawyer]

Garth Erlam, on 24 February 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

While I agree - we can't exactly write 'this is a Large Laser shot' on the laser beam, so in this case, it does have to be colour specific. :/

You could have the beams have slightly different patterns.

Make small straight.
Make Medium have a sine wave edge
Make Large have a triangle toothed edge.

Or something similar. Should be easy enough to make the beam pattern subtly different.

[Breeze]

I'm not totally red/green colour blind. I fall into the milder case of being labelled "colour-deficient". What this means is that I'm able to see most reds and greens, but 1) similar shades are difficult to tell apart and 2) I can't recognise patterns.

1) No trouble with traffic lights, especially those new ones that use LEDs. I think the level of intensity and luminosity of the colours have a great deal to do with it. For example, I've noticed that I've got a particular problem in a specific setting: Red and brown snooker balls look exactly the same to me under the dim lights of a pool hall. Colours shone under a yellow light also causes problems for me.

2) If we're referring to the Ishihara Chart (which someone linked to earlier in the thread), I could easily tell you the colour of each individual dot. But I'm not able to process pattern recognition. So while a person with normal eyes could see a number, all I see is a mass of colours.

In terms of specific colours, I have the most problem when differtiating between the darker shades of red, green and brown.

[DaZur]

Suggestion?

Rather than making compromise in regards to the coloration, intensity and or saturation of a given color... Maybe making a game-option to enable "color-blind enhanced particle effect" that would effectively change the color-blind sensitive colors of various particle effects to colors that are friendly to those who are color blind?

I would imagine this effectively creates a best-of-both-world scenario for all...

Just thinking outside the box boss.

[Dr Killinger]

Great to see this taken into account! Not colour-blind, but I think the thickness of the beam could play a role: even if a player couldn't distinguish between colours, a thick beam would indicate a large laser, and thinner for smaller ones. While not a complete workaround, all variants of colour-blindness will be able to make an effective guess at the type of laser being shot at their face.

[Garth Erlam]

I had a brainstorm - so far this has worked 100% of the time:

Those of you who are red/green colourblind - can you tell the difference between a Red and Green lightsaber?

(this helps greatly with hue, saturdation, tint, and intensity)

[Outlaw2]

Garth Erlam, on 24 February 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

I had a brainstorm - so far this has worked 100% of the time:

Those of you who are red/green colourblind - can you tell the difference between a Red and Green lightsaber?

(this helps greatly with hue, saturdation, tint, and intensity)

Edited by =Outlaw=, 24 February 2012 - 12:52 PM.

[ManDaisy]

Why not just make the size of the beams bigger "Thicker"?

Large laeser L------J

Med Laser L----J

Sm Laser L--J

[Outlaw2]

ManDaisy, on 24 February 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

Why not just make the size of the beams bigger "Thicker"?

Large laeser L------J

Med Laser L----J

Sm Laser L--J

Also sound different....both when fired and on impact. Subtle difference, but enough to tell the difference.

Edited by =Outlaw=, 24 February 2012 - 12:56 PM.

[Azantia]

Well my understanding is that no two people with "red-green" color blindness are exactly the same. What one individual who is color blind can see another will have difficulty. I am sure there are common shades which can be seen, and i commend PGI for their thoughtfulness in this manner.

A similar suggestion was made, but why not have an option to toggle for Red-Green color blind assist and if its not too much trouble have it effect more than just laser colors?

Edited by Azantia, 24 February 2012 - 12:58 PM.

[Dihm]

Gotta say I think I'd prefer this to be a toggle option, or allow us to set the various beams to whatever we want in the options menu.

[DaZur]

Aegis Kleais™, on 24 February 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

I think it was said that around 7-8% of men in the USA suffer from some form of red-green color blindness.

I think that's the same percentage of the number of men who walk around with their fly open every day...

DARN IT! Sorry... I'm weak and the punch line was just dandling there... I'm bad... so bad. Back to the serious business of color-blind needs.... pay no attention to my insensitivity....

[The Smith]

Geist Null, on 24 February 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

i cant tell the difference between really light colors. example: light yellow, tan and white.
i cant tell the difference between really dark colors. example dark blue, purple and black
been that way since i was little and started getting migraines. so whatever colors you choose please keep them in the middle ground of the colors.

This describes my condition just about perfectly.

[The Smith]

Garth Erlam, on 24 February 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

I had a brainstorm - so far this has worked 100% of the time:

Those of you who are red/green colourblind - can you tell the difference between a Red and Green lightsaber?

(this helps greatly with hue, saturdation, tint, and intensity)

I really can't

[Mason Grimm]

Garth, 1 in 20 men experience colour blindness. I know that myself, when joined the army all those years ago, had to do a colour blindness test (can you see the shape in the pattern type stuff).

More info on color blindness: http://menshealth.ab...color_blind.htm

[Jack Gammel]

Garth Erlam, on 24 February 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

I had a brainstorm - so far this has worked 100% of the time:

Those of you who are red/green colourblind - can you tell the difference between a Red and Green lightsaber?

(this helps greatly with hue, saturdation, tint, and intensity)

I am red-green colorblind with red being the indistinct color. Clear bright colors are fine (though since I'm colorblind I'm never really sure if I'm seeing what most other people are seeing). Regardless, there is a clear differentiation between reds and greens like lightsabers. Duller colors, and especially if the color is surrounded by its opposite (i.e. a red ball in a lawn full of green grass) are much more difficult. It all tends to blend together.

Edited by Jack Gammel, 24 February 2012 - 01:56 PM.

[GrimJim]

Maybe white then? And let the width of the beam determine the type of laser.

[Robert Knight]

My problem is with purples and pinks. So aslong as the lasers arnt fabulis I should be good.