106 replies to this topic

[Rook3]

Zoberraz, on 24 February 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Just, don't rely purely on colors to rely important information. If you can do this right, it could save colorblind people a lot of trouble and embarassment (like, sneaking up to do proper spotting on an Atlas, and then open up with a full weapons volley only to realize the Atlas was on your side!)

Modern Warfare 3 has a "colorblind assist" mode which changes the "friendly" HUD indicator to Blue instead of green.
Before I found that change I'm sad to say I lit up more than one friendly, or held my fire until the "friendly" killed me first
because the color difference between the red/green colors was too close. Or so my poor eyes say it is.

The ability for the Mech pilot to change the HUD colors would be great. Even between a day/night scenario,
a contrasting HUD color would save the day for me at times.

[Talismutt]

I must say I'm very impressed that this question is being asked. I agree with using different effects/sprites to identify the differences between lasers. Otherwise putting up some images for people to comment on.

Personally I am green deficiant, in that I cannot see green at all. Let me rephrase that, I see green as a combination of the blue and red components used to within the green. This brings up issues wherever green is the determining factor, for example between orange and yellow, red and green, purple and blue, etc. The effect can be easily simulated by using a program like photoshop to drop the green channel to zero in any image.

In terms of traffic lights, I see them as Red, Yellow/Orange and White.

[kameren]

how about just adjust the density of the beems. so a light laser seems more scattered and a large will be thick. like light is a pencil lightly drawn across paper where as a large is one the is pressed into it the paper hard.

sorry for spelling and other errors is very late lol.

[Barantor]

Honestly the color of lasers doesn't matter as much to me as being able to see who is on my team and who is not on the radar/hud/game and also being able to see any warning lights for things like heat. I can just avoid being hit by the lasers.

[aerothorn]

It's awesome that you're doing this!

I can only speak for myself, but yes, brighter is better (to a boint - obviously eventually everything runs towards white). I can tell the difference between traffic lights and lightsabers . It's just the darks that get me - a "forest green" is indistinguishable from a red. Bright green is completely distinguishable from a dark red; the only problem here is that bright green is indistinguishable from bright yellow (or even very bright orange).

The idea of modifying width or adding some sort of pattern/"core" isn't a bad one.

[DarkTreader]

I think the biggest problem, as far as being color-blind goes, is that if you show a picture to two different people (non-CB), they'll give you the same general color information. Showing it to two color blind people, you may get radically different responses. With such a wide variety of types of color-blindness, it would be difficult to have just one setting that would cover -everyone-. Some people may be able to see all of the primary colors, but have issues when red/green have a gradient that blends them together. Some may not be able to see a flashing red arrow over an enemy when they're in a forest, thus forcing them (as noted above) to hold their fire until they start taking damage. Others may have one of the rarer forms like a friend of mine did - can't recall the scientific name for it, but it is a single color deficiency, his eyes/brain just do NOT process it properly. He 100% believed, and would swear on the rear end of General Kerensky himself, that what everyone else saw as purple was actually white. We just thought he was strange, wearing a purple dress shirt under a suit jacket to a formal event.

The best solution may be to just have color settings fully adjustable to the player, as far as HUD and weapons go, anything that couldn't be abused by munchkins just to make it easier to gank people. Anything like Mech camo, environmental colors, etc... should remain untouched.

[StriplingWarrior]

Sorry for necroing this thread. Just didnt want to start another on the subject. skewing the red toward yellow quite a bit and green toward the blue works for me, if not having a check box that changes all the red enemies to blue and all the green friends to yellow.

[Murphy7]

Garth Erlam, on 24 February 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

Hey guys,

Ever a crusader for the downtrodden, I am endeavoring to ensure that our lasers are colour-coded in a way that those who are red-green colour-blind can see them. I realise there are other colour-blind variants, but at the very least I want to tackle the most common variant.

So, what I need from any of you who are colour blind are (examples of) shades of red and green that you can tell the difference between.

Cheers!

I am red/green color deficient, and would suggest you could follow a similar plan to traffic lights for much of the U.S.

Red lights include an orange filter, and green lights include a blue filter for just this purpose. I can definitely tell the difference with the filtered and LED traffic lights, but older lights I am usually picking it out by position.


My $.02

[FactorlanP]

Seems like the best solution is to allow the player the ability to set what color he sees in a preferences menu. Then each person can set them to solve their own individual color issue.

[JunkyardWolf]

going by the Star Wars pics,top one hard to tell the diff,bottom one i can, though a darker red would be nice. dunno if this helps

[hildisvini]

I am red-green colorblind, and I can tell the difference between the red and green lightsabers in the pictures. However, this might only be because I have the contrast of the two side-by-side. I generally cannot tell red from green when only one of the colors is present, but brighter shades are easier for me to see.

In addition to the lasers, I have been having a difficult time seeing the enemy triangles on the radar/mini map in the screen shots. I can see the red triangles marking overhead the enemy mechs fine, but I can only pick out friendly signatures on the mini-map. I can say definitely that a brighter shade of red on the radar to mark enemy targets would make it far easier for me to use it.

[VoxeL]

If I correctly understood the question, on this subject have everything on the wiki:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness

Filters for color blindness can be found on the Internet. Use the search.
There are examples of filters, post-processing of images. If desired, you can find the source.

As for the laser color/light, then:

• Central pencil of rays is overexposed (white line with a very noisy point particles).
  
• The edges of the illuminated laser color (red — low energy, green — medium , blue — high).
  
• Another important source of illumination and point of contact beam (bright spots with the rays of light).

Again, see the examples of real samples.


And sorry for my bad English.

[Banshee Bullet]

wow that is super considerate. I'm not color blind, but very cool you guys (admins)

[heru]

Rook3, on 28 February 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

Modern Warfare 3 has a "colorblind assist" mode which changes the "friendly" HUD indicator to Blue instead of green.

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The ability for the Mech pilot to change the HUD colors would be great. Even between a day/night scenario,
a contrasting HUD color would save the day for me at times.

Choosing HUD colors would be the best option. It would be even enough if I could specify base colors. For example: enemies or everything red should be based from color X, green stuff from color Y and yellow(I'm not sure there was yellow on the screenshots, but if there were ) from Z. And then if different shades/mixes are needed, those would be achieved with changing saturation/brightness.

That would make the life so much easier

PS. Big thanks for turning your attention to this issue so early.

[vettie]

WOW - Thank you so much for even considering this!
I am NOT colour blind, however, my father was (now deceased) and my nephew is.

For my father the case was this
He could ONLY see Black, Grey, White and ANY shade of blue. Every other colour was either black, white or grey to him depending on the light to dark scale of the actual colour. Yellow = white, Purple = Black, Red or Green = Grey. Pink = white, Lime = white, khaki (dark green) = grey or black depending on the shade. Traffic lights were NOT an issue because he knew the LOCATION of the Red Light (almost always on top) but if the lights were horizontal he was clueless. Ran 3 red lights in NYC one day and got stopped after the 3rd one. Policeman said "why didnt you stop at the Red light?" Dad said "It looked black to me so I didnt think it was working". The officer then said "what are you clour blind, why would it be black?" "Dad said "yes I am. I cant tell the difference when they are on their side like that." The policeman said "Mam, please assist your husband before someone gets hurt. You folks be careful", and he let us go.

I remember mom doing laundry and putting numbered tags on his shirts and pants. Odd numbers matched odd numbers, evens matched evens and (because of some injury during the Korean War (basically he had some sort of skin condition on his feet)) all of his socks were white.

The fact that you are even considering this is really cool. Hats off to you!

[Sundiver]

Pin this to the top, duh.

[MiniChiken]

I have troubles with 50 shades of grey...

[SnakePliskin]

Crikey, get a life

[MoxVoid]

Thanks for this!

Also check out my post about not lasers, but difficulty in seeing mech armor/health readouts here:

http://mwomercs.com/...358#entry494358

Edited by MoxVoid, 05 July 2012 - 10:04 AM.

[BulletChief]

i tried to illustrate it in photoshop...

the really bright colours are easier to differentiate (255,0,0 form 0,255,0).
it gets really tough in the darker areas in the middle especially below the 150s (something like 150,0,0 and darker vs 0,150,0 and darker)

an additional tough spot is mixed colours like dark olive and brown where:
1. the red and green parts get below the 150s like above and
2. the other colour parts are very similar.

here it's somthing like ~ 165, 42, 42 for the brown-reddish part vs the lower 85, 107, 47 olive-green part... both get close to blend into one another and just appear as 'mud'-coloured.

black contrast lines make it easier to differentiate the two.
it's not as important for lasers but instead for team colours. in Battefield 3 for example, friendlies were blue, squad member green and hostiles red... i was always shooting my squad members before the colourblind-patch^^. so just make teammates blue and enemies red - that works just fine.



can i have a beta invitation for that explanation?

Edited by BulletChief, 05 July 2012 - 12:44 PM.